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While I want to agree with you here, I unfortunately have first hand experience of a reporter with a Syracuse degree reporting rumors as facts and threatening the careers of good people for attention for a very reputable broadcast news outlet. It’s frightening how common it’s become. I do agree that Mike and Donna are not that type.

There’s a reason why the Gallop poll shows trust in media is around 32% in the US - many don’t conduct themselves with the level of professionalism they should. It may be more accurate - or at least more plausible to the average person -to say Mike and Donna still work to a high standard of verification that many other in the media no longer do.

As I have a similar experience of a reporter literally making up a story which led to a huge PR crisis for both my company and local politicians the reporter had an axe to grind against - and that reporter is still employed by the same organization - my respect for media is very, very low. My working assumption is all reporters have political pressures which influence what they report, and therefore the accuracy of what they report. I don’t think Mike or Donna are immune from that reality.
 
This has been repeated several times on the board. The issue was cited specifically by the NCAA which is why it keeps coming up. You can believe AW cleared it and also understand the NCAA also may have cited it as a no no. Perhaps the ncaa still hates Syracuse. Who knows. But if the program, coming coming off another terrible probation, had ignored it and we gotten worse sanctions, what happens then?

The reality is we all hate what’s happened to the program. There’s lots of blame to go around. But the notion that AW is some savior is one of the more ridic things pushed on this board.

The one piece of information I’d like to know is what communication Syracuse had with AW after the NCAA PowerPoint. His claim is nobody talked to him (I think). Syracuse hasn’t said squat.

Either Syracuse and the mean girl crowd booted him without warning - which would reflect terribly on Syracuse - or AW took a “no takebacks!” approach which wasn’t appropriate and had some influence in how we got to this point. Honestly I don’t think it’d be appropriate for Syracuse to throw AW under the bus publicly if it was the latter. And I wouldn’t publicly make a statement it was the former unless it was part of an agreement to bring AW back into the fold.

TL; dr - I think the likelihood that we’ll ever get real clarity on what happened is very low…which means this is likely to remain a hot topic with firmly entrenched sides with limited data to support those intensely held convictions.
 
Again I ask why on earth does the school give a flying rat's butt about what the NCAA is going to do? Are we the only school in the free world who isn't aware that they are done? Do the powers that be on the hill still have plans in case the Soviet Union has spies on campus? What are we doing...
 
Rich people are just as unimpressive as the rest of us.

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Again I ask why on earth does the school give a flying rat's butt about what the NCAA is going to do?
How do you know that SU is concerned about that?

You don't.

The whole AW vs SU discussion has been one-sided because the University has had the class and dignity to not get into a public pissing match about it. Then fans post reasons (that they think) are behind SU's decisions and then other posters rant about those reasons. Those "reasons" are merely opinions from posters because, again, SU has not chosen to get into a public pissing match and has kept their opinions to themselves.

Were AW's donations important? Of course, at least to the extent that some of them benefitted our teams and not him directly. Do we have other big donors? Of course, lots of them. We just don't know about them because they don't feel the need for us to know about them. They don't have the "hey look at me" aspect to their philanthropic efforts. Not saying that AW does, but we can all agree that he certainly seems to.

The discussion has been totally one-sided but I'm quite happy that SU has not chosen to get in the mud publicly over all of this. And that includes speculations from fans that then become accepted as "fact".
 
Again I ask why on earth does the school give a flying rat's butt about what the NCAA is going to do? Are we the only school in the free world who isn't aware that they are done? Do the powers that be on the hill still have plans in case the Soviet Union has spies on campus? What are we doing...

At the time everything fell apart, that wasn’t the case that the NCAA was a paper tiger. If Syracuse went to AW and asked him to adjust and his approach was “no takebacks” - that’s the core issue now. If Syracuse booted him without talking to him - over what has proven to be nothing - that’s creating a whole other set of issues.

Concern over the NCAA may have started everything down this track - but has little to nothing to do with where we are now. So pointing out how powerless the NCAA is doesn’t matter, because that’s not the issue anymore (and hasn’t been for ages). If it ever was.
 
At the time of the breakup with AW, there were a number of posts here indicating there was some shady business dealing by Adam that wasn't well known and SU didn't want to be associated with him due to that type of thing.

Was there any truth to that? That was said at the time, but now the story is more focused on the NCAA presentation and the relationships between Kent, AW, Lally and maybe another.
 
How do you know that SU is concerned about that?

You don't.

The whole AW vs SU discussion has been one-sided because the University has had the class and dignity to not get into a public pissing match about it. Then fans post reasons (that they think) are behind SU's decisions and then other posters rant about those reasons. Those "reasons" are merely opinions from posters because, again, SU has not chosen to get into a public pissing match and has kept their opinions to themselves.

Were AW's donations important? Of course, at least to the extent that some of them benefitted our teams and not him directly. Do we have other big donors? Of course, lots of them. We just don't know about them because they don't feel the need for us to know about them. They don't have the "hey look at me" aspect to their philanthropic efforts. Not saying that AW does, but we can all agree that he certainly seems to.

The discussion has been totally one-sided but I'm quite happy that SU has not chosen to get in the mud publicly over all of this. And that includes speculations from fans that then become accepted as "fact".
Precisely. It's one sided from someone who very much cares about how he's perceived publicly. And that's fine, it's his money.

The same folks here roasting the school for not leveraging a big booster would be ripping the school apart if they somehow got in trouble instead. You can't win in this situation.

AW could support the program if he wants to. He wants to do it his way. The school disagrees. That's all that really matters. AW continues to leverage NOT SPENDING money to gain attention. He's still getting what he wants while the school gets zero out of this.
 
Precisely. It's one sided from someone who very much cares about how he's perceived publicly. And that's fine, it's his money.

The same folks here roasting the school for not leveraging a big booster would be ripping the school apart if they somehow got in trouble instead. You can't win in this situation.

AW could support the program if he wants to. He wants to do it his way. The school disagrees. That's all that really matters. AW continues to leverage NOT SPENDING money to gain attention. He's still getting what he wants while the school gets zero out of this.
Agreed. His PR agency, aka himself, has really worked. He has created a social media image that is not aligned with reality. The guy who is actually really helping (Lally) should be revered like AW is. It’s insanity.
 
Agreed. His PR agency, aka himself, has really worked. He has created a social media image that is not aligned with reality. The guy who is actually really helping (Lally) should be revered like AW is. It’s insanity.

Here's a take...

Maybe academics just do not like influencers who's goal is simply notoriety and to be famous for nothing but money.

I personally find that somewhat annoying as well, but to each their own.

We're now living in a world now where you can ask a kid what they want to be when they grow up and some will say "I want to be famous."

That is now a goal. How or why they become famous is immaterial.

It goes against everything a school stands for... come here and learn things and go into the world professionally and use your learning... earn money, reputation, and notoriety based on what you learned here and the career value you build.

i.e. They just don't like how AW rolls and tries to get notoriety and become famous through relentless public hobnobbing with celebrities (and funding athletes along the way, of course.)

It may be as simple as that.

That said, I hope Kent and friends enjoy seeing the Kardashians in the stands next year with La La, LOL.
 
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Precisely. It's one sided from someone who very much cares about how he's perceived publicly. And that's fine, it's his money.

The same folks here roasting the school for not leveraging a big booster would be ripping the school apart if they somehow got in trouble instead. You can't win in this situation.

AW could support the program if he wants to. He wants to do it his way. The school disagrees. That's all that really matters. AW continues to leverage NOT SPENDING money to gain attention. He's still getting what he wants while the school gets zero out of this.

AW strikes me as someone who's good at saying what people want to hear.

But what do I know.
 
Agreed. His PR agency, aka himself, has really worked. He has created a social media image that is not aligned with reality. The guy who is actually really helping (Lally) should be revered like AW is. It’s insanity.
Comparing Lally and Weitsman is kinda just silly. I do hope Lally and the other major donors can work with Weitsman as he has something they do not have. Social Media influence! He can be a tool to further their impacts of their generosity. Long way to go and likely won’t ever get there though.
 
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He's working some of the folks on here to build up his image for free. Say what you will but it is impressive...
He doesn’t need this board to build up his image lol. He already has that through his social media work. We’re just pointing that out that it could be a potential tool. It would be unfortunate that the tool isn’t used for petty reasons. But maybe there is major reasons, just not public to everyone.
 
Again I ask why on earth does the school give a flying rat's butt about what the NCAA is going to do? Are we the only school in the free world who isn't aware that they are done? Do the powers that be on the hill still have plans in case the Soviet Union has spies on campus? What are we doing...
Pretending to be a Higher Education University. Not that we're doing that well either given we're raising tuition 10% a year and still falling in the rankings. I think it's clear alot of school sort of stopped pretending a while ago.

Anyone remember when it broke that all the UNC students were just taking fake classes or that Georgia football basically just stopped graduating their players at all. Yup no one cares, most people are like well at least they're not lying about it anymore.
 
Agreed. His PR agency, aka himself, has really worked. He has created a social media image that is not aligned with reality. The guy who is actually really helping (Lally) should be revered like AW is. It’s insanity.
Also Lally does a TON more behind the scenes. His contributions go way behind just the headline $25M figure. He's an amazing person who cares VERY much about SU doing well both on the field and off of it. I've heard some anecdotes re: how he's helped football players and it's really awesome.
 
Just some math for you all in case anyone needs a refresher on billions. Adam W has his net worth listed as 1.5 Billion in most places. Just for arguments sake let's say he put in 10 million to Cuse sports per year. We'll all pretend that's true for arguments sake even though people estimate wildly different amounts here.

So let's say someone is doing ok at 100K a year. If they gave the same % as AW that would be $667 a year for a normal person.

That's a 55$ a month subscription to NIL for him.

I want his money pouring back in and there needs to be a reconciliation but let's also look at the #'s.
 
At the time everything fell apart, that wasn’t the case that the NCAA was a paper tiger. If Syracuse went to AW and asked him to adjust and his approach was “no takebacks” - that’s the core issue now. If Syracuse booted him without talking to him - over what has proven to be nothing - that’s creating a whole other set of issues.

Concern over the NCAA may have started everything down this track - but has little to nothing to do with where we are now. So pointing out how powerless the NCAA is doesn’t matter, because that’s not the issue anymore (and hasn’t been for ages). If it ever was.
The NCAA has been a paper tiger since they caved on the UNC investigation.
 
Just some math for you all in case anyone needs a refresher on billions. Adam W has his net worth listed as 1.5 Billion in most places. Just for arguments sake let's say he put in 10 million to Cuse sports per year. We'll all pretend that's true for arguments sake even though people estimate wildly different amounts here.

So let's say someone is doing ok at 100K a year. If they gave the same % as AW that would be $667 a year for a normal person.

That's a 55$ a month subscription to NIL for him.

I want his money pouring back in and there needs to be a reconciliation but let's also look at the #'s.
Totally agree. My thinking is, he would never have given that much or anywhere close. That said if he chooses to in the future, I’ll be immensely thankful as a fellow albeit much poorer fan, who gives what I can.
 
The entirety of UNC is a sham. Anyone watching White Lotus Season 3? The terrible family on vacation in Thailand is all Duke and UNC grads for a reason.
Mike White has a very creative mind. Genius to incorporate that plot line around the time of March Madness.
 
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WHY??!!! I have never recognized the reason for this and it has never been explained. Adam Weitsman
could be a very important piece of the donation group at SU. In fact he would be the biggest donor. I never understood the problem with Syverud.

Does he think the school is better than AW? Does he think AW donating money is wrong because AW is a lowly scrap metal dealer? AW didn't get where he is by being stupid. Could someone explain what in the hell the problem is?

Dasher, could you lend your expertise here?

You have:

AW - Donator billionaire

J Lally- Millionaire donator

K Syverud- Chancellor

Unless KS is a being a complete ass, I would think he would welcome AW and his money. Does KS think SU is above AW on his high horse because of the business AW is in and has made a great person out of himself his businesses including the scrap metal, restaurants, community? At some point you have to step back and look at the entire situation and move forward with AW involved.

This must be the only reason I see why the University has a problem with AW. But when do you forgive a man who made a mistake and atoned for that mistake, or do you never forgive and creep along afraid that AW may make the University look bad for his mistake? I think this is the KS hang up. So, let a man who wants to help us financially frustrated? Until I hear differently, I am assuming this is the KS understanding. And you can put as many thumbs down as you want on this post. I am for forgiving AW if that is even the problem.

Wikipedia bio:

Adam Weitsman
BornAdam Joel Weitsman
Owego, New York, U.S.
Alma materOwego Free Academy
Long Island University
Occupation(s)Entrepreneur, philanthropist
SpouseKim Weitsman


(m. 2006)
Children3[1]
AwardsPlatts Industry Leadership Award
AMM Scrap Company of the Year Award
WebsiteOfficial website

Adam Joel Weitsman is an American entrepreneur. He is the owner and chief executive officer (CEO) of Upstate Shredding – Weitsman Recycling, a scrap metal processing company headquartered in Owego, New York.

Early life

Weitsman was born and raised in Owego, New York.[2] He developed an interest in art collecting early in life after his father and grandfather discovered two early American stoneware bottles during an excavation project in their scrap yard in 1980.[3] Weitsman began collecting the 19th-century stoneware and owned 60 pieces by 1982.[2]

In 1986, Weitsman graduated from Owego Free Academy. Weitsman majored in banking at the C.W. Post Campus of Long Island University in Brookville.[2] In 1989, Weitsman worked at a Manhattan art gallery, Hirschl & Adler Folk, and opened the American Folk Art Gallery in Greenwich Village in 1991.[2][4] In 1995, Weitsman became vice president of Ben Weitsman & Son, a scrap processing company owned by his family before eventually purchasing it from his father.[2]

Career

After losing his sister to cancer in the early 1990s, Weitsman quit a career in New York City and returned to his hometown to the family scrap metal business. Here, he built up an interest in the processing side of scrap metal recycling, which led to the foundation of Upstate Shredding.[5] In 1997, Weitsman opened Upstate Shredding at the Tioga County Industrial Park in Owego.[6][4][7] Weitman was sentenced for check kiting in 2004, paid a $1 million fine and served 8 months in prison.[8] In 2005, Weitsman acquired Upstate Shredding's sister company, Ben Weitsman & Son, Inc., after his father retired[6] and acquired an 11-acre scrapyard in Solvay, New York from Peter Matlow in December 2009.[9] Between 2012 and 2016, Weitsman acquired a scrap yard in New Castle, Pennsylvania,[7] a port facility in Albany,[6] and Empire Recycling in Watertown, New York.[10] By the end of 2016, they were collectively known as Upstate Shredding – Weitsman Recycling.[6][11] That year, Weitsman won the Platts Industry Leadership Award and the AMM Scrap Company of the Year award for the second year in a row.[12][13] He was awarded Scrap Company of the Year by American Metal Market in 2015 and 2016.[14]

Weitsman and his wife, Kim Weitsman, have invested in real estate in Skaneateles, New York.

In 2010, Kim purchased the Krebs restaurant, which was founded in 1899.[15] The restaurant re-opened in the summer of 2014.[11] Weitsman has supported local philanthropic efforts through personal funding and this restaurant.[15] In 2015, Weitsman and his wife donated the restaurant's profits to 16 regional nonprofit organizations.[16][17] In 2018, Weitsman began construction on a Mexican restaurant, Elephant and the Dove, in addition to development of a sushi bar in Owego.[18][19] The restaurant opened on April 11, 2019.[20][21] In 2021, Weitsman announced a collaboration with Rise N Shine restaurant owner, Danielle Mecuri, for a new Italian restaurant in East Syracuse.[22]

In 2021, he started Viridium LLC,[23] a cryptocurrency mining company.[24][25] As of 2022, he is a billionaire.[26]

Weitsman is involved philanthropically. He has a collection of 19th-century American stoneware which he has been donating to the New York State Museum in Albany since 1998.[3] In 2019, Weitsman donated $100,000 for the renovation and expansion of the Rescue Mission's Clarence L. Jordan Food Service and Culinary Education Center.[27] In 2019, Weitsman donated $10,000 to Vera House, a non-profit tackling domestic and sexual violence abuse in Central New York.[28] In 2020, Weitsman offered a college campus he acquired to any federal, state, or local government agency to set up a base camp to help find a cure for the Coronavirus.[29]

Why? Because AW doesn't and didn't donate any real money. Not sure how many times this can be said on this board. SU told him to put up or shut up. He got upset and walked away.
 

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