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Message: [QUOTE="Phillymoose, post: 304152, member: 254"] If you bring them in as a partial member, they are right there chatting with you every day. You have a different kind of access to them and their thinking. It didn't help the BE, but times are always changing. Before the first raid, the BE was more attractive, but ND was also much stronger on the field. In the intervening time, the conferences have gotten stronger and ND has gotten weaker. They still have an awesome following, but unless they start performing as a legitimate NC contender, ND's influence is going to continue to atrophy. In other words, I suspect they are on a path towards full conference membership at some point (unless they somehow turn it around on the field - in dramatic fashion), and you might as well put yourself in a position to take them - - and make that transition easier for the participants and fans. [/QUOTE]