Whisper is FSU President has indicated that

[arbitragegls]

there will be nothing of note happening prior to August 15, 2012 which is out date from ACC if wanting to play ball somewhere in following year. Looks as if FSU is not leaving. It really appears that the internet and blogs and twitter can make a mole hill out of a ant hill...or a nuclear bomb out of a fire cracker...appears we can rest easy until the next internet/twitter flares up. And more will be forthcoming before end of month...


Interensting fact: nearly 51% of FSU alumns live in ACC footprint (do not count Florida) and only 11% or less live in the Big 12 footprint (do not count Florida). So 5 X more alumns live in the ACC footprint than the Big 12 footprint--do not count Florida in either. If you were FSU, where would you rather be playing?

 

[Toga]

there will be nothing of note happening prior to August 15, 2012 which is out date from ACC if wanting to play ball somewhere in following year. Looks as if FSU is not leaving. It really appears that the internet and blogs and twitter can make a mole hill out of a ant hill...or a nuclear bomb out of a fire cracker...appears we can rest easy until the next internet/twitter flares up. And more will be forthcoming before end of month...


Interensting fact: nearly 51% of FSU alumns live in ACC footprint (do not count Florida) and only 11% or less live in the Big 12 footprint (do not count Florida). So 5 X more alumns live in the ACC footprint than the Big 12 footprint--do not count Florida in either. If you were FSU, where would you rather be playing?

The SEC? :rolling:

 

[arbitragegls]

+1 Toga...nasty!

 

[sufan]

there will be nothing of note happening prior to August 15, 2012 which is out date from ACC if wanting to play ball somewhere in following year. Looks as if FSU is not leaving. It really appears that the internet and blogs and twitter can make a mole hill out of a ant hill...or a nuclear bomb out of a fire cracker...appears we can rest easy until the next internet/twitter flares up. And more will be forthcoming before end of month...


Interensting fact: nearly 51% of FSU alumns live in ACC footprint (do not count Florida) and only 11% or less live in the Big 12 footprint (do not count Florida). So 5 X more alumns live in the ACC footprint than the Big 12 footprint--do not count Florida in either. If you were FSU, where would you rather be playing?

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Good information. Do you have a source?

Beyond the actual dollar differences, which they may know or still be trying to find out ...

the real question is does FSU really want to relocate to a conference located in TX and OK with schools in KS, Iowa, WVU, if Miami and GT are not part of an expansion, with perhaps only Clemson as a regional school, versus a true north-south coastal conferece?

 

[texascpa]

Nice setup arbit, you almost got me with the thread title.

 

[sufan]

Live updates: Florida State’s board of trustees meet in Sarasota

11:45 a.m. — FSU trustee chairman Andy Haggard nominates Panama City resident and CEO of Bense Enterprises, Inc., Allan Bense, as the new chairman of the school’s board of trustees. He’s also a former Speaker of the House for the State of Florida. The board approves the motion, and Bense takes over the rest of the meeting. Here’s a quick bio on the new chairman.

 

[rrlbees]

It really appears that the internet and blogs and twitter can make a mole hill out of a ant hill...or a nuclear bomb out of a fire cracker...appears we can rest easy until the next internet/twitter flares up.

You really need to stop thinking that. The internet, bloggers, twitter, none of that made this stuff happen. You think because a blogger says something that it causes all these AD's, Prez and BOT people to make statements about realignment/expansion? Make no mistake about it, the B12 and FSU have been talking. They have been since last fall. How serious those talks have been are anyone's guess, but at the least it has been serious flirting and probably more like heavy petting. And none of them have been having this affair because of some blogger or what someone says on twitter. They created the talk themselves.

As to what is FSU's goal? That also is anyone's guess. But it is likely 1 of 3 things.

1. They really are interested in going to the B12.
2. They are using their flirting with the B12 to get something from the ACC (hell, maybe this "new" money was a payoff to stay?).
3. They are trying to get the SEC to react since that is where they would really like to be.

But we have seen/heard multiple school authorities from multiple schools speak up. That doesn't happen because some dude in WV tweets FSU to the B12. Heck, just today the new FSU BOT Chair said " We have to wait, to watch, to listen, we also have to be ready to act if that’s what’s called for.” I don't think he is waiting for Greg Swaim to act.

 

[kcsu]

You really need to stop thinking that. The internet, bloggers, twitter, none of that made this stuff happen. You think because a blogger says something that it causes all these AD's, Prez and BOT people to make statements about realignment/expansion? Make no mistake about it, the B12 and FSU have been talking. They have been since last fall. How serious those talks have been are anyone's guess, but at the least it has been serious flirting and probably more like heavy petting. And none of them have been having this affair because of some blogger or what someone says on twitter. They created the talk themselves.

As to what is FSU's goal? That also is anyone's guess. But it is likely 1 of 3 things.

1. They really are interested in going to the B12.
2. They are using their flirting with the B12 to get something from the ACC (hell, maybe this "new" money was a payoff to stay?).
3. They are trying to get the SEC to react since that is where they would really like to be.

But we have seen/heard multiple school authorities from multiple schools speak up. That doesn't happen because some dude in WV tweets FSU to the B12. Heck, just today the new FSU BOT Chair said " We have to wait, to watch, to listen, we also have to be ready to act if that’s what’s called for.” I don't think he is waiting for Greg Swaim to act.

Solid post Bees. Where there is smoke... At the end of the day i believe that FSU will stay in the ACC. If they are going to leave i cant see them going any place other than the SEC.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

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Good information. Do you have a source?

Beyond the actual dollar differences, which they may know or still be trying to find out ...

the real question is does FSU really want to relocate to a conference located in TX and OK with schools in KS, Iowa, WVU, if Miami and GT are not part of an expansion, with perhaps only Clemson as a regional school, versus a true north-south coastal conferece?

FSU has seen first hand how isolation works with BC in the ACC. They don't want to go without a partner and I don't believe they have a real chance in hell of getting one. Neither Miami nor Georgia Tech has any interest in the Dust Bowl Conference. Clemson fans might, but I suspect most alums and donors want to win the ACC and they'll suddenly be quite content.

 

[arbitragegls]

Bees, with all due respect, all ACC schools have received the same check on the same date...so lets rule out more money from the ACC...Moreover, I am sure the BOT chairman that brought up the athletic department shortfall, wasnt using that as a strawman. If you read minutes of the meeting today, BOT members asked so was the deficit true and the ...we took because of it false, the response was yes it was not true, there is no deficit.
If anything, FSU would like the SEC...but Univ Fl is not about to let that happen.

It appears for the next year FSU remains in the ACC and so does Clemson. What happens going into next year I do not know; but I do believe my source and if conversations were begun, they are not going anywhere at this time.

 

[SUinNYC]

2. They are using their flirting with the B12 to get something from the ACC (hell, maybe this "new" money was a payoff to stay?).

I really don't think that's what's going on. There has never been as much scrutiny around conference payouts as there is right now so I think this was just the normal course of business--no one was ever paying attention before. But do I think that this additional money coming to light right now could sway some opinions? Absolutely.

 

[Moontan]

Bees, with all due respect, all ACC schools have received the same check on the same date...so lets rule out more money from the ACC

Why rule it out?

Yes, all schools received the same amount. Nobody is disputing that. It's possible that the Greensboro Gang decided to distribute some extra funds (to all schools) in an effort to overcome one of FSU's possible concerns about staying in the ACC. It might also quiet some of their supporters who have undoubtedly been letting their AD know just how much they'd prefer to see FSU in the that other conference.

 

[rrlbees]

Bees, with all due respect, all ACC schools have received the same check on the same date...so lets rule out more money from the ACC.

OK, lets assume that. So take out what I put in parenthesis. What about the rest? Twitter and bloggers are not making this all happen. Silly to think so right now.

 

[TheOrangeBuddha]

You really need to stop thinking that. The internet, bloggers, twitter, none of that made this stuff happen. You think because a blogger says something that it causes all these AD's, Prez and BOT people to make statements about realignment/expansion? Make no mistake about it, the B12 and FSU have been talking. They have been since last fall. How serious those talks have been are anyone's guess, but at the least it has been serious flirting and probably more like heavy petting. And none of them have been having this affair because of some blogger or what someone says on twitter. They created the talk themselves.

As to what is FSU's goal? That also is anyone's guess. But it is likely 1 of 3 things.

1. They really are interested in going to the B12.
2. They are using their flirting with the B12 to get something from the ACC (hell, maybe this "new" money was a payoff to stay?).
3. They are trying to get the SEC to react since that is where they would really like to be.

But we have seen/heard multiple school authorities from multiple schools speak up. That doesn't happen because some dude in WV tweets FSU to the B12. Heck, just today the new FSU BOT Chair said " We have to wait, to watch, to listen, we also have to be ready to act if that’s what’s called for.” I don't think he is waiting for Greg Swaim to act.

It doesn't start with a blogger mentioning something about FSU going to the Big XII, it instead starts with a some alleged sports reporter misinterpreting the ACC television contract, which leads to others (be it bloggers or not) relying on the incorrect information ... and it leads to a stupid FSU trustee to spout off about things pertaining to the ACC television deal that are entirely inaccurate, which leads to same stupid FSU trustee to mention "other conferences."

That's how it works ...

 

[rrlbees]

It doesn't start with a blogger mentioning something about FSU going to the Big XII, it instead starts with a some alleged sports reporter misinterpreting the ACC television contract, which leads to others (be it bloggers or not) relying on the incorrect information ... and it leads to a stupid FSU trustee to spout off about things pertaining to the ACC television deal that are entirely inaccurate, which leads to same stupid FSU trustee to mention "other conferences."

That's how it works ...

That might be true if it was only some FSU trustee. Far far too many "official" people have commented, even some who didn't deny things, for this to be nothing more than internet rumor. I have no doubt the FSU and B12 have talked for months, even if through intermediaries.

 

[texascpa]

Here is the complete story. FSU not going anywhere this year. No discussions, no exploratory committee, no additional meetings until Sept (a month after the notification deadline.

 

[rrlbees]

Here is the complete story. FSU not going anywhere this year. No discussions, no exploratory committee, no additional meetings until Sept (a month after the notification deadline.

Exactly what I would expect a President to say. I did find this part interesting.

"President Barron was very thoughtful and deliberate and asked us to be very thoughtful and deliberate about what's going on in respect to conferences," Bense said Thursday. Bense took over as the BOT chairman on Friday following Andy Haggard's two-year term. "It was a good analysis, a lot of it is still a moving target but I think we need what President Barron said, just gather all of the facts and make sure that we are doing our due diligence and so on.
"I would assume all of us who are trustees are following this closely. I'm sure that President Barron is following it closely. So I think it is being given the proper attention. We'll see what happens."
Haggard told Warchant.com Thursday that the BOT "could" empower Barron to make conference decisions in the future, but there is no plan in place to do that currently. The next BOT meeting is on Sept. 6.

 

[baggerbob]

The only schools in the Big 12 that count are Texas and Oklahoma, if they really wanted Florida St, they could have held Missouri for another year, instead they went for West Virginia. West Virginia was terrible when the original 8 teams were in the conference, only 2 top 25 finishes. They were 88-64-2 and that includes 1993 when they went 11-1. They've parlayed 3 good years with Rich Rod, into being a national power. Texas and Oklahoma are the kings, and they don't want any queens around to disrupt things.

 

[sufan]

Here is the complete story. FSU not going anywhere this year. No discussions, no exploratory committee, no additional meetings until Sept (a month after the notification deadline.

"We are not seeking anything, we are not expecting anything, there are no conversations that are going on," Barron said. "But as my board chair (Allan Bense) said, all boards that are responsible would take any opportunity presented and study it. OK, that's not an invitation, that's just a statement of fact."


"Basically this is the way to think about it: We have a happy existence. Like anybody else, we would like to have more money. We have a lot of opportunities for more money. And I said (during the workshop on Thursday), there are a lot of reasons why conference issues are in the news. More money is one of them. Another one, quite frankly, is sort of a feeding frenzy over this particular topic. It gets a lot of people's attentions and they have a lot of opinions. But of course any decision that you make is based on a whole host of things, including comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges on what the resources are like."

"My personal feeling is that a huge factor has to be conference champions (included in the BCS)," Barron said.

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Doesn't sound like any "done deal" at all.

 

[texascpa]

Exactly what I would expect a President to say. I did find this part interesting.

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Well, with everything that's been going on, it wouldn't have surprised me if he came out and said "we are actively looking at alternate conference solutions". But in any case, I think the biggest news out of this is that there are no plans to for a conference exploratory committee, which was highly speculated would come in the next couple weeks.

Also, seems that FSU fans are interpreting this as FSU is in the ACC for the foreseeable future because many are asking for the President's termination.

 

[baggerbob]

I'm sure the majority of the BOT except for the previous chair, are not blowhards who shoot off their mouths about something they know nothing about.

 

[arbitragegls]

It wont happen...Barron is highly supported by over 85% of faculty...they are considering extending his contract which has 3 more years to go...so thinking about extending is a very good sign (from source),...faculty at a large university do have some say and Barron appears inbedded well.

 

[qdawgg]

These talks are like an STD (at least the way the crew at the Fine Lot describes their medical conditions). You put cream on it and it goes away for a little while. Just when you've forgotten about it, it flares up again.

 

[HtownOrange]

OK, lets assume that. So take out what I put in parenthesis. What about the rest? Twitter and bloggers are not making this all happen. Silly to think so right now.

Bees, nobody believes the bloggers, tweeters and pundits started the conversation However, it was the bloggers, tweeters and pundits that blew the whole thing out of proportion. The Big 12 has been tryingto stabilize since their defections. I sure they have reached out to at least a couple dozens schools. As for FSU's interest, ther may be some by a few, such as Haggard. However, there was no movement by the mass that really counts. Alumni are not clamoring, the faculty is anti-Big 12, Barron and the majority of the board are making statements that have to be made whether they are leaving or staying.

Focus on the facts. Listen to those who know Texas. Sure, consider the noise put out by WVU and the blogosphere, but don't overweight it. FSU must do their due diligence, even if the Pac 12 came calling. Syracuse would do the same. Mostly people are wrapped up in the numbers, FSU will not profit anywhere near what the bloggers are yelling. They might not break even based on expenses, buyout of ACC and buy-in of Big 12. FSU is NOT leaving for $1MM of $2MM in the short run. If they cannot break even in less than 5 years, they stay. Any longer and they stand a better chance of an increse with the ACC look in, than the fixed Big 12 deal.

 

[midloviking]

2 subjects that draw a tremendous amount of page views - 1) Apple, 2) conference realignment.