Who are we?

[721Comstock]

Interesting stat on the radio, (from Chris McManus, who called into his old station):

Since 2002, one Power 5 team has had a worse record than Syracuse (64-103). It's Indiana, (55-111).

I went to a site where you can plug in years and get a ranking of team's records. It doesn't have 2015 incldued yet but this is what it looks like:
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin...=2002&end=2014&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Win+Pct

We were tied for 97th with Washington State, who is 8-3 this year and thus 69-98.

Kansas, just ahead of us is 0-11 so they are 62-107

Iowa State is 3-8 so they are 64-108

Colorado is 4-8 so they are 64-106

Vanderbilt is 4-7 so they are 62-107

Illinois is 5-6 so they are 61-108

Duke is 6-5 so they are 56-113

Indiana is 5-6 so they are 55-111

So McManus is incorrect but he's not wrong. That's what the SU football program is to recruits who will not know or care what they were before 2002. McManus did take the highly pessimistic view that we will never be any better than we are and any money spent to improve the program, whether is't on a new stadium or a new coach is "like burning money". His biggest point to support that view is that we won 3 bowl game sin four years and it didn't increase the attendance at the Dome. But the idea that we are seen as a plum job is, based on our recent history, delusional.

Rutgers aka SUNJ was HORRIBLE for their ENTIRE HISTORY, until the last decade or so.
Combine a decent coach, recruiting uptick (not coincidentally, at the exact same time as another area program made their worst hire in history), atrociously easy OOC scheduling, and a not overly strong conference slate, and you get Rutgers to the B1G.

And honestly, fan attendance doesn't actually matter all that much anymore.
It's no longer "cheeks in the seats" at the Dome, but eyeballs watching on TV, Cable, and online.
As long as 'enough' fans do show up, such that it's still a good gameday atmosphere (and even this year, we've seen that happen with LSU and Clemson), then the Dome can still be a rocking home team advantage.
Get some actual winning football being played in said Dome, and watch out!

 

[Ozcuse]

not sure where you are hearing that, but its not (oddly enough for sure) on here...unless you consider frost and warner proven and high priced.

we certainly are about as awful a P5 as there is, but to think we cant get back to having fun with 8, 9 and even 10 win seasons like the 80s & 90s is ludicrous.

sure, Syracuse will likely always lose to 1 of clemson or fla st or lville or whomever the ACC du jour is, just like what happened in the BE with miami and vpi...but damn if they can be a 15-25 ranked team every year i think we all would be quite happy.

that 80s & 90s bar isnt that high.

got to get this hire RIGHT.

He was hearing it on local Syracuse radio on his show. I called in last year around this time saying we should look at guys like OC of Oklahoma Lincoln Riley and HC of Marshall Doc Holliday. Both are still available and would be good hires.

No one here thinks we will spend Nick Saban money. Many of us just want to spend around the ACC median and use those funds to get the best offense oriented innovator that we can afford.

 

[SWC75]

BS. To his premise.
Syracuse needs a coach who is going developing talent.
P was stale and while a change was probably going to happen after winning a portion of the conference title it was the wrong time.
Hiring Gerg set the program back 4 years. Awful coach all around.
Marrone showed he could develop talent but our facilities were awful and were in the Big East mindset. He left for the NFL no problem.
SS good man but not a good HC.

Syracuse football hasn't hired a HC with D-1 experience since Coach Mac and that at D-1AA UMass.

Syracuse FB needs to spend 2.5 million on a HC give that coach 600k for each coordinator and money for other assistants.

The idea we are a dumpster fire because of 12 years is beyond stupid. When you pay what we have paid you get what you pay for. Now obviously the coaches we had didn't deserve more money but we went with bad options.

If we went out and hired say Matt Rhule I think that by year 3 we would be 7-5/8-4.

SWC question for you I went back as far as Ben have we ever had a HC who coached at current FBS team before coaching at SU?

Ossie Solem came here from Iowa in 1937. That's it.

 

[Blood Orange]

Having a high flying offense is great and all. But if you can't get stops what good is it? I was looking at Eastern Washington's (Baldwin) sched and their defense gives up more points then the SU basketball team. That is why I think Rhule at Temple should be really high on the list. Think about the Clemson game. SU gets one maybe two stops they win that game. Heck Central Michigan I think just scored another TD and SU won that game!

 

[Alsacs]

Ossie Solem came here from Iowa in 1937. That's it.

Unbelievable. We have only hired 1 coach from a prior current FBS school.

Coach P had some HC experience but since P our last 3 HCs have learned on the job. That is why I want the next HC to be a current or former HC.