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Who SHOULD start at QB next week?

Who should start at QB vs NC State?


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When you play with the tempo we do, you end up with extra possessions (as does the opponent) - so long as we're not losing by a ton early we can rotate QBs. Both have shown the ability to drive the ball and get a quick score.

Basically, if we start Eric and find ourselves down 21 or something - you put in TD and don't look back. If we're within a score either way, you rotate them in and see who's moving the ball well (performance based).
 
The kid has a heart of a lion but his arm is hurting and he can’t throw at all. Dungey last year yeah ur right but not now something is seriously wrong. It’s not even close.

I can't disagree with you, SHU. The way ED is missing those open guys, you're probably right. But if all variables are equal, I'd stick with Dungey knowing Coach won't hesitate to put TD in when the offense stalls. And hey, just noticed. It's pretty cool that Devito's initials spell out TD. An omen?
 
My concern with using both QBs is, will it make it hard to get into the game rhythm? I could see one or the other trying to make plays that aren't there to stay in the game. Both are talented but playing 2 QBs seems to rarely work.

I'm ready to get to 6 to 8 wins this year!


Dino referenced Arizona alternating QBs and going 12-1 when he was there. Here are their stats:

1998 Arizona Wildcats Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Smith seems to have clearly been better than Jenkins so I'm not sure how long that lasted.

The next year Jenkins might have been somewhat better, (but they went 6-6):

1999 Arizona Wildcats Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Sports Illustrated's 1999 football preview says Jenkins was a back-up shooting guard for the basketball team. The article talks about how after a 10-2 season in 1994, (and becoming SI's projected #1 cover boys the next year), Coach Dick Tomey had tied going after 5 star recruits with the big boys and lost. So he went back to recruiting under-the-radar types like Jenkins. "Smith and Jenkins will continue to ham-and-egg the Wildcats to the end zone, though they may be more ham than egg this year. Even Jenkins acknowledges that Smith, in his last season, should get the majority of the snaps." Their real star was running back Trung Candidate who averaged 7.3 yards per carry while running for 1,220 with 10 touchdowns - from an average of 50 yards out!

The 1998 Street and Smith's says "Most of the people who made that happen, (402 yards per game, the highest average since Arizona joined the Pac10 in 1979) are back for Coach Dick Tomey and new offensive coordinator Dino Babers. That includes the best quarterback tandem in the league, sophomore Ortege Jenkins and junior Keith Smith...Smith is the nominal starter but Jenkins threw for 19TDs in just seven starts." Here are the 1997 stats for the Wildcats:
1997 Arizona Wildcats Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
Jenkins that year was much the better thrower, Smith the better runner. he didn't follow up on that start.

The 1999 Street and Smith's: "You start with the quarterback tandem of senior Keith Smith, who set a Pac10 record with a passing efficiency of 174.17 and super-athletic junior Ortege Jenkins." 2000: "A lot is riding on senior quarterback Ortege Jenkins, who has been used to sharing time with graduated Keith Smith but now will have to go it alone. He has plenty of talent but hasn't been as consistent as Tomey would like."

the 2000 Blue Ribbon Football Yearbook, (the first year they had one): "At quarterback, Tomey might be better off to have less people. With Keith Smith's graduation, senior Ortege Jenkins will no longer have to share time or try to force things to happen in the hopes that he will gain extra time on the field. "the comfort zone is going to be a whole lot better for me", Jenkins said. "I'm not going to worry about making something happen so fast. I'm going to have time to work into the game." He had a disappoint senior year:
2000 Arizona Wildcats Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
He was never as good as he was as a freshman.

What i get out of this: alternating quarterbacks or "going with the hot hand" isn't ideal, despite Arizona's 1998 success. But the flashy freshman doesn't necessarily turn out to be the best option.
 
I would go with the quarterback with the highest competition percentage. Our dual threat qb that bulked up to much and can’t throw. The guy that needs shoulder surgery after the season. Could that be Dungey amazing just amazing.
 
Today at work I was sitting having my morning coffee with three other season ticket holders and 3 people said start Dungey, one said DeVito, I was that one. None of their points were wrong, I see both sides of this argument but it seems like having a senior having to worry about getting pulled if he screws up is just asking for trouble. Their points were the same ones I keep reading," he is a senior, he has earned the right to lead the team after his past performances, we would have started the season 0-1 if it wasn't for his play" and so on and so forth. All very valid but I find our situation to similar to the ones at Bama and Clemson(obviously not on that talent level) but still and those coaches made the change. I think Tommy needs to start and play the whole game and see if he is ready for the primetime game against a ranked opponent.
 
Today at work I was sitting having my morning coffee with three other season ticket holders and 3 people said start Dungey, one said DeVito, I was that one. None of their points were wrong, I see both sides of this argument but it seems like having a senior having to worry about getting pulled if he screws up is just asking for trouble. Their points were the same ones I keep reading," he is a senior, he has earned the right to lead the team after his past performances, we would have started the season 0-1 if it wasn't for his play" and so on and so forth. All very valid but I find our situation to similar to the ones at Bama and Clemson(obviously not on that talent level) but still and those coaches made the change. I think Tommy needs to start and play the whole game and see if he is ready for the primetime game against a ranked opponent.

The bigger story is that there were 4 Syracuse fans in one office talking about the football team.

Encouraging.
 
The bigger story is that there were 4 Syracuse fans in one office talking about the football team.

Encouraging.
One of my Penn State fan friends (yes, I know) forgot to watch the Penn State game because he was into our game/talking to me about it after over the weekend. A newer football fan friend of mine text me “I watched the clips of that Devito guy!” and will probably be watching with us Saturday. Turned a causal BC fan into a more than casual SU fan.

It pays to never shut up about Syracuse, apparently.
 
I would go with the quarterback with the highest competition percentage. Our dual threat qb that bulked up to much and can’t throw. The guy that needs shoulder surgery after the season. Could that be Dungey amazing just amazing.
Yes. I agree. Competition percentage is all that matters. Very important.
 
No one. No matter who you start, someone's feelings are going to get hurt. Especially fans. I'd rather not hurt anyone's feelings than do something that would give us a chance to win a football game. But you know, after about 18 straight delay of game penalties and six straight 3-and-outs because we don't have a quarterback in the game, you can trot anyone, and I mean anyone, out there and make everyone happy. Win win. Even if you lose.
 
Start ED but on a short leash. NC St is great at stopping the run shown by holding Clemson to 91 on 28 carries for 2.8 yds per carry. We'll have to pass to win and Dungey can do it but think ultimately Devito will be familiar coming off bench to lead us to victory.
 
I think they both start...Devito at QB and Dungey as a free agent...TE, WR, RB, wildcat...seems like that would be the best of both options...Dungey may not be able to throw, but having him on the field would give NC State a lot to defend...
You can't and they haven't developed an offense that includes Dungey at any of those positions. Sorry just can't do it in a week . A play or two maybe but not with him integrated playing a whole new position.
 
We pulled one QB who wasn't performing up to expectations and the QB who replaced him went and won us the game.

It's an easy decision.
 
The one the coach deems to match up better.
 
Start Dungey but alternate the two quarterbacks during the game.
That is not fair to the WRs. They deserve to have the best player on the field to get the ball to them. That is Tommy Gun.
 
To the 55 people who voted for Dungey...you do realize that thread title says “should start”...
Just watched orange nation showing all of his incomplete passes. They were talking about how much he has struggled the past 3 games and he had a completion rate of 54 %. Devito for the year is 53%. What am I missing here
 
Just watched orange nation showing all of his incomplete passes. They were talking about how much he has struggled the past 3 games and he had a completion rate of 54 %. Devito for the year is 53%. What am I missing here

Devito is averaging over a yard more per pass attempt which includes his first ever game played.
 
Just watched orange nation showing all of his incomplete passes. They were talking about how much he has struggled the past 3 games and he had a completion rate of 54 %. Devito for the year is 53%. What am I missing here


Against ACC teams

Dungey is 68/127 54% 745 Yards 5.87 Yds/A 1-TD 3-INT

DeVito is 22/35 63% 325 Yards 9.29 Yds/A 4-TD 1-INT
 
Just watched orange nation showing all of his incomplete passes. They were talking about how much he has struggled the past 3 games and he had a completion rate of 54 %. Devito for the year is 53%. What am I missing here

One has been getting better, the other has been getting worse.

I don’t really care who did what at WMU 2 months ago, or against whoever that 1-AA was(I forgot).

I’m looking at their recent play against the type of teams we’re going to play the rest of the year and one has me very worried and the other has me increasingly optimistic.
 
Just watched orange nation showing all of his incomplete passes. They were talking about how much he has struggled the past 3 games and he had a completion rate of 54 %. Devito for the year is 53%. What am I missing here
No one wants to discuss the real problem, which is the pathetic defense. We had leads against Clemson, Pitt and UNC and the D gives them a big play to revive their will and then their defense comes in and plays inspired and gritty. If Devito starts and gets a good lead and the same thing happens, then it will be the defenses fault,
 
One has been getting better, the other has been getting worse.

I don’t really care who did what at WMU 2 months ago, or against whoever that 1-AA was(I forgot).

I’m looking at their recent play against the type of teams we’re going to play the rest of the year and one has me very worried and the other has me increasingly optimistic.
Dungey has two blatant drops in the last game. Change that to completions and they’re both at 57%. Yet Dungey had a bad game
 

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