Why Did Shafer Abandon Hackett & Marrone's System

[Pyle]

It's two games in against two good defenses. And it isn't the passing offense (56th) that has them ranked in the 90's, it's the run game (100th).

Sorry but I challenge the notion that NW is a good defense. Cal put up 30 against them and only put up 37 against Portland St. Cal was 10-20 on 3rd down vs NW, 10-21 on 3rd down vs Portland St. Cal had 548 yards vs NW, 616 vs Portland ST. Based on that I would say NW defense is only slightly better than FCS. Also scares the crap out of me that Cal had to basically hold their breath vs Portland St for a final of 37-30 so it's not like Cal was playing 2nd/3rd string and therefore not generating offense. Want something to really worry about, compare the box scores, Cal vs NW, Cal vs Portland, SU vs NW. On 2nd thought...don't. I wish I hadn't.

 

[CusePitt]

"Yeah, when Robinson was here. And because of how he ran the program."
Speaking of Robinson, he's the new DC at Texas

 

[TheCusian]

that's why it's on Shafer. he just wanted to put the band back together instead of keeping things going

You guys are killing this staff two games in. 1 game we were in and the 2nd was awful. We got that. Time to flush boys, the negative craps getting old.

I'm interested to see how the team and coaches respond. I want to see them beat Wagner and Tulane - with efficient crisp offense and destructive smothering d. Work out the kinks.

 

[Crusty]

OK, I just have to say this is a tough room to play. Give these guys a chance. They were hired late, uprooted their families, inherited a depleted roster and have done a great recruiting job so far with damn little to work with. After four years with 5 future NFL players on his roster Marrone went 8-5 not 10-2. Hackett stunk up the place for quite a while and we still don't know how much was him and how much was Ryan. I suspect a lot more of the success can be attributed to Ryan than we might think.

Marrone left because he found out the job was much tougher than he thought and he got while then going was good.
Reserving my right to complain about any play that I don't like, I give my support to these guys until they have had a decent chance to show what they can do. Put yourself in their shoes and have a little empathy,

Hang in there staff and don't let the turkeys get you down.
Go Orange!

 

[GoSU96]

OK, I just have to say this is a tough room to play. Give these guys a chance. They were hired late, uprooted their families, inherited a depleted roster and have done a great recruiting job so far with damn little to work with. After four years with 5 future NFL players on his roster Marrone went 8-5 not 10-2. Hackett stunk up the place for quite a while and we still don't know how much was him and how much was Ryan. I suspect a lot more of the success can be attributed to Ryan than we might think.

Marrone left because he found out the job was much tougher than he thought and he got while then going was good.
Reserving my right to complain about any play that I don't like, I give my support to these guys until they have had a decent chance to show what they can do. Put yourself in their shoes and have a little empathy,

Hang in there staff and don't let the turkeys get you down.
Go Orange!

Most good programs have 3, 4, 5 kids get into camp every year, so they have 15-20 future NFL "players" on the roster at any one time. Nothing particularly unique about it. No coach is leaving because he has three kids drafted.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Most good programs have 3, 4, 5 kids get into camp every year, so they have 15-20 future NFL "players" on the roster at any one time. Nothing particularly unique about it. No coach is leaving because he has three kids drafted.

Agree that shows that we have had decent to average talent. The talent at Syracuse is always going to be what it is for the most part, it will go up and down a bit in many areas. Again, people waiting for top 20-25 recruiting classes are kidding themselves in my opinion. top 40-45 can be done, develop the talent, good coaching that remains consistent and you will see a consistent good product on the field, when we have talented seniors we will see very good years. I just can't imagine after 10-15 years with the current landscape of college football that Syracuse will ever bring in a top 20 class. Would love to be wrong here.

Northwestern probably recruits on about the same level as we do, how do they compete? their classes are probably between 50-75 if I guess correctly. The trick is finding the right HC, who can teach systems, motivate and keep his staff in tact for the most part, always going to be some influx always but that is the trick at Syracuse. Shafer could be that guy, I don't know but I think he will learn a painful lesson that he has to hire better teachers first then recruiters, IMO. You need a nice balance of course but if you can't develop and coach up at Syracuse your flucked. Get the athletes and teach them to be football players, that is what Marrone was doing in NYC. YOU CAN NEVER JUST ROLL IT OUT AND LET THEM HAVE AT IT HERE, it will never work. If you are consistently getting outcoached and out schemed here, your flucked and flucked bad. The talent won't mask too many sins in this area, it just wont, it's a razor thin margin for error at SU. Shafer knows this but I think he made a poor business decision with some of his assistants, I THINK I said.

I am thinking down the road, you could see him take the D back over and go out and hire a proven top notch OC, as Kasier would say a guy that wears polyester coaching shorts and chews redman.. ( Not BEES) A guy too old to wear white underwear.

 

[GoSU96]

Agree that shows that we have had decent to average talent. The talent at Syracuse is always going to be what it is for the most part, it will go up and down a bit in many areas. Again, people waiting for top 20-25 recruiting classes are kidding themselves in my opinion. top 40-45 can be done, develop the talent, good coaching that remains consistent and you will see a consistent good product on the field, when we have talented seniors we will see very good years. I just can't imagine after 10-15 years with the current landscape of college football that Syracuse will ever bring in a top 20 class. Would love to be wrong here.

Northwestern probably recruits on about the same level as we do, how do they compete? their classes are probably between 50-75 if I guess correctly. The trick is finding the right HC, who can teach systems, motivate and keep his staff in tact for the most part, always going to be some influx always but that is the trick at Syracuse. Shafer could be that guy, I don't know but I think he will learn a painful lesson that he has to hire better teachers first then recruiters, IMO. You need a nice balance of course but if you can't develop and coach up at Syracuse your flucked. Get the athletes and teach them to be football players, that is what Marrone was doing in NYC. YOU CAN NEVER JUST ROLL IT OUT AND LET THEM HAVE AT IT HERE, it will never work. If you are consistently getting outcoached and out schemed here, your flucked and flucked bad. The talent won't mask too many sins in this area, it just wont, it's a razor thin margin for error at SU. Shafer knows this but I think he made a poor business decision with some of his assistants, I THINK I said.

I am thinking down the road, you could see him take the D back over and go out and hire a proven top notch OC, as Kasier would say a guy that wears polyester coaching shorts and chews redman.. ( Not BEES) A guy too old to wear white underwear.

I think they need to get into the 30 to 40 range, keep working SFla and do a better job with the top regional and national recruits in NY. I like the kids on DL but imagine Easley and D. Jones on an SU DL with Broms.

 

[Crusty]

Most good programs have 3, 4, 5 kids get into camp every year, so they have 15-20 future NFL "players" on the roster at any one time. Nothing particularly unique about it. No coach is leaving because he has three kids drafted.

You missed my point.

 

[GoSU96]

OK, I just have to say this is a tough room to play. Give these guys a chance. They were hired late, uprooted their families, inherited a depleted roster and have done a great recruiting job so far with damn little to work with. After four years with 5 future NFL players on his roster Marrone went 8-5 not 10-2. Hackett stunk up the place for quite a while and we still don't know how much was him and how much was Ryan. I suspect a lot more of the success can be attributed to Ryan than we might think.

Marrone left because he found out the job was much tougher than he thought and he got while then going was good.
Reserving my right to complain about any play that I don't like, I give my support to these guys until they have had a decent chance to show what they can do. Put yourself in their shoes and have a little empathy,

Hang in there staff and don't let the turkeys get you down.
Go Orange!

Here's a little context.

2006 draft 10 P players ended up in camp, 4 drafted,

2007 draft, 7 P players in camp - 2 drafted,

2008 draft, 5 in Players in camp, none drafted, 4 P players, 1 Robinson,

2009 draft, 4 P players in camp, 2 drafted.

During the Robinson years 26 Pasqualoni players ended up in NFL camps, 9 of them drafted. Robinson had one kid, Taj Smith end up a FA while he was here.

2010 draft, 1 P player, Art Jones, Drafted, 1 Robinson player, Mike Williams Drafted.

2011 3 Robinson players in camp, 2 drafted.

2012 8 kids in camp, 4 Robinson - one drafted, 4 Marrone - one drafted,

2013 - 9 in camp, Robinson 4 - 2 drafted, Marrone 5 - 1 drafted.

During the Marrone years, 12 Robinson kids ended up in camp, 6 drafted.

Marrone 9 kids in camp, 2 drafted.

 

[jgeorge322]

It's not a talent issue as much as the scheme. This scheme sucks. We ran 20 swing passes last game. We have nothing down the field. When that happens, teams stack the box and you can't run it. It's a snowball affect. A good coach could get this team to score as there is enough talent. Allen is taking the heat and deservedly so but the underlying problem is the oc. That doesn't mean get rid of McDonald but it does mean McDonald has to change things up.

 

[Chris02M]

its 2 games people relax and McDonald is a 1st time o coordinator(but was one of best options) it takes time to get in synch

 

[BlackKnight76]

Not fair to bring a coordinator and force a system he doesn't know on him. See: Scott Shafer, Michigan defensive coordinator.

 

[jekelish]

I still think we should run the Oopty-Oop. Mississippi Valley State averaged over 40 points a game running that offense.