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Message: [QUOTE="tipphill, post: 2299501, member: 4809"] i did all those things that u talk about including archbold .been going to games since 1960. you are wrong about ben. he could not recruit because of the lack of a stadium and facilities. the game did not pass him by ---he had to play with second and third tier players. if you were watching at the time, you could see the difference in the players. in one of the videos it was discussed that they tried to avoid showing recruits the field. i hardly think that 15yrs would be called instant gratification. i went through all you did, and I DO NOT RECOMMEND that for anyone. [/QUOTE]