Why does JB coach differently in Nov/Dec than March?

[kuethstheman]

I'm sure if he could talk less he would.

lol. You got that right!

 

[igor]

JB is the king of the pre-season tournament. We always seem to win the one that we are playing in. We've beaten countless top level/elite teams over the years in Nov/Dec.

We've been killing our non-conference schedule over the past 6 years, rarely losing a game.

However, March hits and we've been falling short more than achieving success. We rarely pull off the upset of a higher seeded team in March. We've been upset by upstart mid-majors more times than I care to remember. JB is the all-time leader for losses to double digit seeds in the tourney.

Programs like UK, Louisville, Michigan State, Florida, UCLA, UConn, etc have experienced significantly more success in the NCAA over the past decade than SU. Even John Beilien has had equal to more success over the last decade at WVU/Michigan. Why is JB falling short? What does he do differently in Nov/Dec than March?

first, let me enlighten u. while jb is hanging out, guyslike calipari r teaching the troops to defend. it takes awhile to teach kids ure system and how to play the whole shot clock for a stint on the court. jb plays his gus all game cause they hang out

 

[anomander]

Wellllll UConn and Michigan St got a combined 5 bench points yesterday, so I wouldn't say that it needs to be changed.

Ya you don't need to sit guys like Bazz, Boatright, Harris, or Dawson because they can actually give you buckets. When we have our SG who can't throw the ball in the ocean, or a banged up Grant who isn't producing you need other options. It's all about having options.

 

[rrlbees]

Ya you don't need to sit guys like Bazz, Boatright, Harris, or Dawson because they can actually give you buckets. When we have our SG who can't throw the ball in the ocean, or a banged up Grant who isn't producing you need other options. It's all about having options.

Still wondering why one ocean looks different than the others.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Ok. I don't want to be a team that jacks a lot of threes in the half court. I want to run, pound in transition, get some threes in transition and go inside-out in the half court. That's why I've been saying that the guy a team like this needs is dion. And why I'm so looking forward to KJ.

For sure and I get what you're saying. If they aren't making threes then something else needs to happen. Look at UNC or Arizona. Multiple guys who can handle and pass. Not just guards. Those teams improved without threes. Our players didn't develop those fundamental skills or just don't have them. Moving forward it looks like KJ and certainly when the 2015 dudes come in that some of these issues will be resolved. It's either: Most of these guys on the roster were actually role players forced to do too much? System recruits without much ball skills coming in? Poor development of said recruits? I really am not sure.

 

[supp]

They had plenty of good shots all year that didn't fall, it was THE problem. Getting good looks wasn't.

We overrate jumpshots in space, which is ironic since our defense is designed to coax the other team to shoot jumpshots in space. If they're missing them, maybe they're not as "good" shots as you think.

 

[Noexcuse]

That's nice, but we don't have those other FF's. The history book has already been written. We win the National Champion next year, every year in my book.

In this case I am going to say our year is 2016. Joseph and McCullough will be Sophs, Cooney and Coleman will be Seniors, Roberson, Patterson and Johnson will be Juniors. Lydon and Richardson will be Freshmen. JB rides off into the sunset with #2.

 

[OrangeDW]

Clearly it was a huge mistake to play Carmelo 36 minutes a game back in 2003.

If only Matt Gorman had a more prominent place in the rotation that season...

Mothballing Josh Pace was a mistake though. Good thing he thought better of it and got him back in the rotation just in time.

Of course, Josh produced when given the chance too.

Roberson had a big chance near the end of the year and just didn't do much, unfortunately.

 

[OrangeDW]

In this case I am going to say our year is 2016. Joseph and McCullough will be Sophs, Cooney and Coleman will be Seniors, Roberson, Patterson and Johnson will be Juniors. Lydon and Richardson will be Freshmen. JB rides off into the sunset with #2.

Of the 5 guys who have played...let's just say there's got to be drastic improvement if they are to lead us to an NC as upperclassmen.

 

[Noexcuse]

Of the 5 guys who have played...let's just say there's got to be drastic improvement if they are to lead us to an NC as upperclassmen.

I have full faith that there will be. It's happened before with numerous examples and there is no reason to think it won't happen again. By the same token, I see next year as a rebuilding year with much lower expectations than 2015/2016.

 

[GoSU96]

We overrate jumpshots in space, which is ironic since our defense is designed to coax the other team to shoot jumpshots in space. If they're missing them, maybe they're not as "good" shots as you think.

Not what I was referring to. Ennis, Fair and Grant all missed quite a few shots in close. And you have to make a decent percentage of open jump shots, that's why people work to get open, isn't it?

 

[LennX6]

I'm a JB fan. Just longing for the post season success that mirrors his regular season success. The once a decade FF and once a half-century championship leaves me impatient. We just need to get over the hump. I thought we were on our way with last year's FF and this year's great start. It wasn't to be and we seem to be regressing to our old patterns.

I know where you are coming from. I have been watching the tournament asking myself, what have these teams that are still playing have that we do not. The scary thing from what I have seen , there are no shortage of answers.

 

[CuseCPT]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I see a lot of teams progress throughout the year and I feel like Syracuse teams rarely get exponentially better. I feel this also has to do with only playing certain players and not allowing younger players to develop. Just a thought.

Why do you hate Syracuse and Boeheim so much?!? HALL OF FAME

 

[NKR1978]

Why do you hate Syracuse and Boeheim so much?!? HALL OF FAME

So edgy!

 

[CuseCPT]

So edgy!

I know right? I'm probably going to get a 1 week ban.

 

[Ghost]

CJ is better conditioned than the average college kid, and the average kid can run up and down the court all day long.

If playing 3-4 minutes less a game would make that much of a difference, CJ better find a park bench and learn how to play chess.

I think this point is what everyone throws out there, but it's never quite made sense to me.

I've played ball my whole life, as many of us probably have, and the fact is you do get tired at different points. The trouble isn't that you can't get up and down the court when you're tired, when you're young of course you can. The trouble is that a person, feeling a little out of gas, has a tendency to rest. You see the kids bend over all the time - you don't think their tired?

When you take a few plays off here or there on offense that means you give up a three, it means you don't get down the floor for a runout that could have happened. You can't measure whether you gain or lose by taking that kid (CJ if you wanna use that example) off the floor for those minutes, but I think it's valuable to give them the breather. I think it's absurd to suggest they can run up and down all day long though, otherwise everyone who is better than their back-up would play 40 minutes barring foul trouble.

Especially at the end of the game I think those minutes could make a difference. I also think there is some value in sitting a guy down and just letting him observe...coach him up a bit...36 minutes is a lot imo night in and night out. Some guys it will rarely faze, some it will.

 

[CuseCPT]

I think this point is what everyone throws out there, but it's never quite made sense to me.

I've played ball my whole life, as many of us probably have, and the fact is you do get tired at different points. The trouble isn't that you can't get up and down the court when you're tired, when you're young of course you can. The trouble is that a person, feeling a little out of gas, has a tendency to rest. You see the kids bend over all the time - you don't think their tired?

When you take a few plays off here or there on offense that means you give up a three, it means you don't get down the floor for a runout that could have happened. You can't measure whether you gain or lose by taking that kid (CJ if you wanna use that example) off the floor for those minutes, but I think it's valuable to give them the breather. I think it's absurd to suggest they can run up and down all day long though, otherwise everyone who is better than their back-up would play 40 minutes barring foul trouble.

Especially at the end of the game I think those minutes could make a difference. I also think there is some value in sitting a guy down and just letting him observe...coach him up a bit...36 minutes is a lot imo night in and night out. Some guys it will rarely faze, some it will.

This is all true, plus I think people tend to overlook mental fatigue/pressure. Is it that crazy to think that maybe Cooney himself would have benefited at some points from letting a freshman take a few shots while he was struggling? Does going 1-9 while the crowd yells "OOOOOOOH!" everytime you miss do much for your confidence?

 

[SUbear]

We went the the F4 just 1 year ago and the Elite 8 2 years ago. We weren't an expected final 4 team last year but I remember plenty of posts about how great JB was. Guess he got stupid in 12 months. And if your going to mention a negative record or stat about JB that is partly driven by how many years he has coached compared to others, you should include the positive ones too.

No one said he never achieves only that taken as a whole he has underachieved toward the end of seasons. This is a fact. He is a good coach, but has flaws like all of us, he in total fails to acknowledge those flaws. I would still rather have him than a new unknown quantity at coach, he is what he is and probably is not going to change at this point in life.

 

[SUbear]

Jerami didn't start until Coleman went down and I think jb thought cj could shoot the 3 ball. He did last year.

One of the basic problems on this team was CJ did not significantly improve year over year, he was still good but this team needed him to be great. He apparently topped out his game last year, and slightly regressed( 3 balls) this year partly due to defense stacking for him.