Why it's important that Scott Shafer has only one year left on his contract

[Scooch]

I agree, but it's one of those things that you hear so much that people start believing it's true. Just the fact that recruits are asking about it.

One thing SU always has in its back pocket is being private. You don't have to tell anyone how long the contract is. But now we know.

A friend of mine at work likes to say "You can't expect people to be smart one minute and dumb the next".

You can't expect recruits and staff to be savvy about their choice of school or employment, but then think they'll fall for the ol' "give an embattled HC an extension with a small buyout" trick.

 

[qdawgg]

Because with that many people involved not everyone sees it the same way.

I think there's a big difference though, between not seeing it the same way and preventing Coyle from making a change.

 

[bevosu]

Ain't that the truth.

And worse yet, committees tend to make very safe, very obvious decisions. Committees rarely come up with revolutionary or even major improvements. More often they'll select the candidates that have to most boxes checked on the criteria list. And the one that no one on the committee objects to for whatever reason.

Steve Jobs didn't let a committee make important decisions. Nor did Bill Gates.

And neither did Hitler

 

[chakka3421]

I'm sure it's been mentioned before but I for one would be grateful if the Dougie came back as HC, we worked out a deal with him to do minimal recruiting and @ss kissing, pay up the assistants and retain Shafe, Daoust, and everyone but Reed and maybe Adam. Of course some will move to bigger and better but keep the them intact as much as possible.

Say what you will about Marrone, he was/is a terrific in game manager. And when he finally started showing emotion on the field, the kids really fed off of him.

I'll chime in that most know I was an avid Marrone supporter but I've moved on too. Doug was all about running a pro style zone read option and what we really need for the Dome is a spread based attacking offense. That's why I'm in the camp to get a guy like Campbell or Babers.

Marrone is far more suited to be a HC of a Pro Football team as long as he doesn't keep doing stupid things like he did with the Bills.

 

[shandeezy7]

I would think the BoT is just a necessary vetting process that everyone has to go through for a hire of this magnitude. Make sure due diligence was done, there are no skeletons in the guy's closet. Just some standard checks & balances. I can't imagine the BoT saying "what type of offense does he run, does he hate punting?"

Unless Millhouse is on the BoT...

 

[CuseLegacy]

I think there's a big difference though, between not seeing it the same way and preventing Coyle from making a change.

Or supporting a decision not to make a change?

 

[qdawgg]

Or supporting a decision not to make a change?

Wasn't writing that to imply one direction vs another, even though that's how I wrote it. He's going to be able to go in the direction he feels is correct, I am lead to believe..... despite there being potential objections to said direction.

 

[Scooch]

Or supporting a decision not to make a change?

In all sincerity, if Coyle and the BOT are in agreement that Shafer should be retained and possible extended, then that's their choice. But they damn well better own it.

 

[TheCusian]

I would think the BoT is just a necessary vetting process that everyone has to go through for a hire of this magnitude. Make sure due diligence was done, there are no skeletons in the guy's closet. Just some standard checks & balances. I can't imagine the BoT saying "what type of offense does he run, does he hate punting?"

Tirico might

 

[Alsacs]

If SS only has 1 more year left then we have no choice but to either extend him or fire him. College coaches are not pro coaches who can coach on a walk year.
For a college coach to be able to recruit they have to have more than 1 year on their contract or what type of kid will commit to that program.
We can not have a lame duck HC only having 1 year left tells me SS is gone unless we win 2 more games.
If all a HC only has to be 14-23 and is given an extension wow our program standards are low.
It is business Mr. Shafer not personal.

 

[javadoc]

Very interesting point.

Syracuse, N.Y. — Scott Shafer played a significant card Thursday morning when he revealed he has one year left on the contract he signed upon being promoted before the 2013 season.

It's significant because it brings to light for the first time the truth that first-year athletic director Mark Coyle has a decision to make at the end of the season, and there seems to be two main avenues.

Offer a contract extension or move on in another direction.

Full article

In today's environment a 4-year deal means you have to show enough by end of year 3 to justify being kept on. I was assuming all along that he had a 5er. I think the outcome seems clear now.

 

[TheCusian]

In today's environment a 4-year deal means you have to show enough by end of year 3 to justify being kept on. I was assuming all along that he had a 5er. I think the outcome seems clear now.

Same here. Thought it was a 5 year deal.

 

[orange44]

If Coyle wants Shafer gone I believe he will be gone. Why hire the guy and then prevent him from doing his job?

I agree.

 

[phil77]

In today's environment a 4-year deal means you have to show enough by end of year 3 to justify being kept on. I was assuming all along that he had a 5er. I think the outcome seems clear now.

I agree it is pretty straight forward now outside of beating Clemson the writing is on the wall. With Shafer's record there is no way you can justify signing him long term.

 

[Scooch]

If SS only has 1 more year left then we have no choice but to either extend him or fire him. College coaches are not pro coaches who can coach on a walk year.
For a college coach to be able to recruit they have to have more than 1 year on their contract or what type of kid will commit to that program.
We can not have a lame duck HC only having 1 year left tells me SS is gone unless we win 2 more games.
If all a HC only has to be 14-23 and is given an extension wow our program standards are low.
It is business Mr. Shafer not personal.

I suspect that if we finish, say, 4-8, and he gets an extension, which would probably be 2 years with a very cost-effective buyout for SU, recruiting is going to fall off anyway.

Kids and their parents aren't stupid. They know he'd be on the hot seat, and every other school would be reminding them of that constantly.

 

[OrangePA]

I'm sure it's been mentioned before but I for one would be grateful if the Dougie came back as HC, we worked out a deal with him to do minimal recruiting and @ss kissing, pay up the assistants and retain Shafe, Daoust, and everyone but Reed and maybe Adam. Of course some will move to bigger and better but keep the them intact as much as possible.

Say what you will about Marrone, he was/is a terrific in game manager. And when he finally started showing emotion on the field, the kids really fed off of him.

I would have no problem with Marrone coming back.

He was a very good HC.

I wonder if he would do it and I wonder if the University would do it.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I would have no problem with Marrone coming back.

He was a very good HC.

I wonder if he would do it and I wonder if the University would do it.

This wouldn't happen, but I would LOVE to see Marrone come back and coach the offensive line. I think he'd be happy, and I think he'd be incredible.

He's far overqualified, but I don't think he's really happy as a head man.

 

[Ozcuse]

DUDE OF SU SAYS MIKE TIRICO ON BOT = JOHN GRUDEN NEXT SU COACH

 

[qdawgg]

DUDE OF SU SAYS MIKE TIRICO ON BOT = JOHN GRUDEN NEXT SU COACH

I'm sure that Tirico knows Gruden is a basket case.

 

[Crusty]

i wonder if it has language in it that if he gets another job it is offset by what is owed. Not sure how these college coach contracts work. Would behoove Coyle to get rid of him as soon as possible if that is the case so he can get in line for a new gig somewhere.

In NYS there is an offset unless there is language to the contrary and I am betting there is not.

 

[Macky44]

I think we win both Pitt and Virginia and show up at USF if Marrone was HC...just saying...

I think we don't get half of the good freshman recruits we have currently if Marrone is coaching either.

 

[Macky44]

I think we don't get half of the good freshman recruits we have currently if Marrone is coaching either.

and im not saying Shafer needs to stay, im just saying Marrone is not good for us.

 

[llandz]

I would have no problem with Marrone coming back.

He was a very good HC.

I wonder if he would do it and I wonder if the University would do it.

I agree with this statement. I am not stupid or do not hold grudges. If he is the best coach we can get then I will take him back. Different scenario for him also. He was not getting the support he needed for the program, and now the support is there. I want what works best for our program and if he is it, then I am fine with that.

 

[kcsu]

There is zero chance that Coyle would give Doug the job if he would work for peanuts. Unless he gives Shafer a low cost two year extension look for Coyle to go all in on the most exciting O coach that he can find. He gets it. Also i thought that HCSS had a five year deal. Given that it is 4 i actually think that he is done unless we play lights out against Clemson and win the last two

 

[tipphill]

simple for me, recruiting is better---game day coaching is a d- if that---he is not prepared to be a hc---he has not grown into the job. bonehead calls all over the place. he does not have the "skill set" for a head coach---but i would want him on my staff-great quality