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William Kyle appears to be on the shorter side

sufandu said:
If the 44in vertical is accurate, he actually out jumps Warrick.

Prior to the 2003 season, I remember reading McNeil actually had the higher jump and reach. I think it aways looked like Warrick got higher because of how long limbed and thin he was. He also got to display more on offense with his post game.

Imagine McNeil's athleticism with Otis Hill's skillset. He would've been an all-american
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For an undersized post player, the second jump vertical is maybe more important than just a single vertical. If it takes a long time to reload and get back up in the air, the shorter guy is going to lose a lot of battles.
 
Niastri said:
Maliq Brown was just fine for us at center most games... But he was absolutely humiliated by Clemson because they pushed him wherever they wanted him and then laid it in right in his face over and over.
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Bacot had 16 points in 17 minutes that season in a 40 point win. filipwoski and mitchell had a dunkathon on maliqs face all game long...No, maliq wasnt "fine" as a Center.

why do you guys have to do this???

you like Maliq so you wanna portray him well. ok. i get it.

yeah, I liked him too...but he wasnt good as a center. dolezaj wasnt a good center. chukwu wasnt a good center. etc etc
eastcuse said:
This is all true, but Maliq had to shoulder the entire burden himself. The issue wasn't so much that Maliq couldn't hang,
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yeah, actually it was. hes not a center ...hes not a good center. good player but he couldnt come close to covering the post when he played for the Orange. lynn kidd from Va tech was like 8 of 9 shooting vs brown. he couldnt stop anyone good.

i hope you guys are right about kyle.
 
Sidney wicks ucla 6-8 220 demolished 7-2 250 artis gilmore in 1970 championship game! "Little" guys can do it!
 
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STEVEHOLT said:
UCLA dude supposedly has a 44 inch vert . I’m calling BS. Just like how they claim guys put on 20 lbs of muscle in a few months
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You can't trust heights and weights anyway. We won't start trusting reported vertical leaping or 40 times any time soon. Not until the NBA or NFL combine can you trust any of those reported figures.

But, looking at that picture, if Diawara is actually 7' (a big big if), that puts Souare at 6'10 and Kyle at maybe 6'8? He, White and Betsey seem the same height. Too bad we couldn't get Freeman in the comparative shot...

One thing that stands out is how short Diawara's neck is compared to the other guys. Somebody once commented when talking about Elton Brand back in the day, "You don't play basketball with the top of your head." A more useful measurement for basketball might be the shoulder rather than the top of the head. This is one reason teams are starting to use "standing reach" and "armspan" as a proxy for height when scouting. It doesn't matter how high your head is when standing still if your arms reach nine and a half feet into the sky when you reach up!

Look at where Diawara's shoulders are in comparison to the guys around him. His "useful height" relative to the other tall guys on the team is even higher than his listed additional height.
 
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Niastri said:
You can't trust heights and weights anyway. We won't start trusting reported vertical leaping or 40 times any time soon. Not until the NBA or NFL combine can you trust any of those reported figures.

But, looking at that picture, if Diawara is actually 7' (a big big if), that puts Souare at 6'10 and Kyle at maybe 6'8? He, White and Betsey seem the same height. Too bad we couldn't get Freeman in the comparative shot...

One thing that stands out is how short Diawara's neck is compared to the other guys. Somebody once commented when talking about Elton Brand back in the day, "You don't play basketball with the top of your head." A more useful measurement for basketball might be the shoulder rather than the top of the head. This is one reason teams are starting to use "standing reach" and "armspan" as a proxy for height when scouting. It doesn't matter how high your head is when standing still if your arms reach nine and a half feet into the sky when you reach up!

Look at where Diawara's shoulders are in comparison to the guys around him. His "useful height" relative to the other tall guys on the team is even higher than his listed additional height.
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Got it, so we don't want long necks and short arms. We need Short necks and long arms.
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Wingspan, strength, timing, positioning, vertical, motor, IQ all factor in. What I noticed in UCLA DUDE film is he was dunking on 7’ guys from the Big10 and grabbing rebounds. Can he go toe to toe with a 7’2” monster, not sure. Will he allows us to press, play a switching defense, get blocks, steals and rebounds? Let’s see how it plays out. Assume he shares minutes with the other centers including Freeman. Like the upside he gives us.
 
OmahaCuse said:
Wingspan, strength, timing, positioning, vertical, motor, IQ all factor in. What I noticed in UCLA DUDE film is he was dunking on 7’ guys from the Big10 and grabbing rebounds. Can he go toe to toe with a 7’2” monster, not sure. Will he allows us to press, play a switching defense, get blocks, steals and rebounds? Let’s see how it plays out. Assume he shares minutes with the other centers including Freeman. Like the upside he gives us.
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You have to force other teams to adjust vs always worrying about whether we can matchup.
 
RedtheGOB said:
Got it, so we don't want long necks and short arms. We need Short necks and long arms.
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You want dudes built like the broomsticks that the opposition teams would supposedly use in practices in preparation to facing our zone
 
Niastri said:
You can't trust heights and weights anyway. We won't start trusting reported vertical leaping or 40 times any time soon. Not until the NBA or NFL combine can you trust any of those reported figures.

But, looking at that picture, if Diawara is actually 7' (a big big if), that puts Souare at 6'10 and Kyle at maybe 6'8? He, White and Betsey seem the same height. Too bad we couldn't get Freeman in the comparative shot...

One thing that stands out is how short Diawara's neck is compared to the other guys. Somebody once commented when talking about Elton Brand back in the day, "You don't play basketball with the top of your head." A more useful measurement for basketball might be the shoulder rather than the top of the head. This is one reason teams are starting to use "standing reach" and "armspan" as a proxy for height when scouting. It doesn't matter how high your head is when standing still if your arms reach nine and a half feet into the sky when you reach up!

Look at where Diawara's shoulders are in comparison to the guys around him. His "useful height" relative to the other tall guys on the team is even higher than his listed additional height.
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In terms of ability to block shots and protect the rim, wingspan and vertical have always been more relevant to coaches and scouts than height.
 
Sherman20 said:
In terms of ability to block shots and protect the rim, wingspan and vertical have always been more relevant to coaches and scouts than height.
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Yep. Just consider Wes Johnson vs. Arinze or Big Rick in 2010. I haven't looked it up, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Wesley had the most blocks on that team.
 
Niastri said:
You can't trust heights and weights anyway. We won't start trusting reported vertical leaping or 40 times any time soon. Not until the NBA or NFL combine can you trust any of those reported figures.

But, looking at that picture, if Diawara is actually 7' (a big big if), that puts Souare at 6'10 and Kyle at maybe 6'8? He, White and Betsey seem the same height. Too bad we couldn't get Freeman in the comparative shot...

One thing that stands out is how short Diawara's neck is compared to the other guys. Somebody once commented when talking about Elton Brand back in the day, "You don't play basketball with the top of your head." A more useful measurement for basketball might be the shoulder rather than the top of the head. This is one reason teams are starting to use "standing reach" and "armspan" as a proxy for height when scouting. It doesn't matter how high your head is when standing still if your arms reach nine and a half feet into the sky when you reach up!

Look at where Diawara's shoulders are in comparison to the guys around him. His "useful height" relative to the other tall guys on the team is even higher than his listed additional height.
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Sherman20 said:
In terms of ability to block shots and protect the rim, wingspan and vertical have always been more relevant to coaches and scouts than height.
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Exactly. I never had any concerns with Jeremy McNeil playing center on defense. Kyle seems like a similar mold with a few less pounds and, from what I’m reading on this board, a higher ceiling as far as potential goes on O and D.
 
IthacaMatt said:
Yep. Just consider Wes Johnson vs. Arinze or Big Rick in 2010. I haven't looked it up, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Wesley had the most blocks on that team.
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Rick Jackson led the team with 2 blocks per game, followed by Wes Johnson at 1.8 and Arinze Onuaku at 1.1. The team averaged 6.6 blocks per game, which was 9th in the country back then and would have been .4 blocks per game ahead of UConn for best in the country last year.

By block % though, the best shotblocker on the team was Dash Riley at 11.1%. Small sample sizes are fun.

Of the guys who actually played, they weren't great shotblockers by percentage.

Jackson 8.2, Johnson 5.7 and Onuaku 5.2.

James Southerland was at 7.9, like Riley, in very limited time.

To put it in perspective, McLeod led the team with 7.2% and Majstorovic was second at only 2.1 block%.

We were really bad at defense last season.

Good thing Kyle was at 10.2% playing in the Big 10 last season with UCLA.

Short or not, William Kyle will be a big upgrade defensively for us this season.
 
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Niastri said:
Rick Jackson led the team with 2 blocks per game, followed by Wes Johnson at 1.8 and Arinze Onuaku at 1.1. The team averaged 6.6 blocks per game, which was 9th in the country back then and would have been .4 blocks per game ahead of UConn for best in the country last year.

By block % though, the best shotblocker on the team was Dash Riley at 11.1%. Small sample sizes are fun.

Of the guys who actually played, they weren't great shotblockers by percentage.

Jackson 8.2, Johnson 5.7 and Onuaku 5.2.

James Southerland was at 7.9, like Riley, in very limited time.

To put it in perspective, McLeod led the team with 7.2% and Majstorovic was second at only 2.1 block%.

We were really bad at defense last season.

Good thing Kyle was at 10.2% playing in the Big 10 last season with UCLA.

Short or not, William Kyle will be a big upgrade defensively for us this season.
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Pretty good guess - Big Rick only beat him out by .2 blocks per game..
 

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