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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 3559144, member: 289"] This season I will once again be charting Syracuse’s games in terms of “winning plays”. I look at the results of each play and decide which team got the minimum they wanted out of the play. Rather than making instinctive judgments, I use a formula: - On first down, the offensive team wants to get at least a third of the way to a new first down: they will have two more plays before they might have to surrender the ball and if they gain that same amount of yards on each of those two plays, they’ll get the first down. If they don’t make it a third of the way to a new first down, the defense won the play. - On second down, the offense wants to get at least halfway to a new first down by the same logic. - On third and fourth down, they want to get the first down. - Penalties, if added onto a play by the referees, are added on to the results above. If the offense gains 5 yards on first down but there was holding and they lost yardage instead, the defense won the play. If a running back made a 20 yard run on first and ten and the holding was 15 yards downfield, turning it into a 5 yard gain, that’s still a win for the offense. If the defense is penalized and it’s tacked on, again the net result is what is evaluated. The penalties I’ve listed negated the play entirely and are a “loss” for the penalized team and thus a win for their opponent. . - If a penalty was not tacked onto a play, it’s a lost play for the team being penalized. I'll count them separate from the other plays from scrimmage because I don't know if the intended play before the penalty would have been a run or a pass - so i wouldn't know where to put it in the chart below. - A turnover is, obviously, a win for the team that wound up with the ball. - On a kick-off a touchback brings the ball out to the 25 yard line. Teams still seem to be trying to kick the ball into the end zone and avoid a runback if they can, so any kick-off that results in the receiving team starting between their goal line and their 25 is a win for the kicking team. Beyond that, the receiving team wins. - On a punt, a touchback takes the ball out of the 20. So any punt that results in the other team taking over from their goal line to their 20 is a win for the punting team. If the next change in field position is at least 40 yards, the punting tam has also won the play. - A successful place kick is, obviously, a win for the kicking team. - Any play that results in a touchdown is, obviously, a win for that team that scores it. - A “victory play” where a team accepts a loss just to let the clock run out, is a win for the offensive team. I will indicate in parenthesis how many yards there were to go to get a new first down, (if other than 10), unless it was for no gain or negative yardage. If it was a touchdown, (“TD)” a scramble/sack (“S”) a victory play (“V”) or involved a penalty (P). I’ll treat a scramble or a sack as a passing play as the Cuse.com play by play now tells you when it’s either of those two. 1R means first down running plays. 1P means first down passing plays, etc. Note: I us the play by play from Cuse.com which did not design ate scrambles for the North Carolina or Pittsburgh games so those plays were recorded here as runs since I couldn’t tell if they were planned QB runs or not. (ESPN didn’t note scrambles, either) When SYRACUSE had the ball: KO: L25, L22, L22, SU46 (lost onside kick) Total: Syracuse 3 Liberty 1 P: 52 to L8, 36 to L12, 52 (recovered Fumble), 49 to L6, 41 to L7, 49 to L8 Total: Syracuse 6 Liberty 0 FG: none Total: Syracuse 0 Liberty 0 XP: Good, Good, Good Total: Syracuse 3 Liberty 0 Kicking plays total: Syracuse 12 Liberty 1 1r: 6, 5, -3, 7, 2, 1, 1, 20, 4, -5, 11, 6, 1 Total: Syracuse 7 Liberty 6 1p: 13(5), I, 17TD, I, I, 12, I, I, I, I, 9, 9, 21TD, I Total: Syracuse 6 Liberty 8 First Down Total: Syracuse 13 Liberty 14 2r: 3(4), 11, 4(1), 8, 4, 1, 6(1), 4(1), 7(1) Total: Syracuse 8 Liberty 1 2p: 13(23), I , 32(8), I, I, I, 12TD, 6(5), I, -4, I, I Total: Syracuse 4 Liberty 8 Second Down Total: Syracuse 12 Liberty 9 3r: 9(6) Total: Syracuse 1 Liberty 0 3p: I, 8, 8(3), -16s, I, 18(19), -6s, 17(4), 0, I, Interception, -2s, I Total: Syracuse 3 Liberty 10 Third Down Total: Syracuse 4 Liberty 10 4r: 0 Total: Syracuse 0 Liberty 1 4p: 7(2), 4(2), I Total: Syracuse 2 Liberty 1 Fourth Down Total: Syracuse 2 Liberty 2 Total on running plays: Syracuse 16 Liberty 8 Total on passing plays: Syracuse 15 Liberty 27 Total on plays from scrimmage: Syracuse 31 Liberty 35 Penalties not tacked on to plays: -5, -5, -10, +15 Syracuse 1 Liberty 3 Game total when SYRACUSE had the ball: Syracuse 44 Liberty 39 When LIBERTY had the ball: KO: SU 31, SU 19, SU 16, 50, SU 25, SU 31, SU 34 Total: Syracuse 4 Liberty 3 P: 46 to SU 39, 33 to L36, 32 to L45, 40 to SU 35 Total: Syracuse 2 Liberty 2 FG: Good from 20 Total: Syracuse 0 Liberty 1 XP: Good, Good, Good, Good, Good Total: Syracuse 0 Liberty 5 Kicking plays total: Syracuse 6 Liberty 11 1r: 3, 5, 22, 4TD, 1, 17, 9, 14, 11, 1, 5, 24, 5, 2, -2, 1, 8, -2, 10, 2, 5, -2v Total: Syracuse 8 Liberty 14 1p: 7, I, 15, 10, 9, 7, I, 36TD, 9, 1 Total: Syracuse 3 Liberty 7 First Down Total: Syracuse 11 Liberty 21 2r: 0, 75TD, 8(7), 4(1), 52TD, 8(3), 3, 17p(9), 3(5), 3(5), 16TD, 1(2), 5(8), 1(5), -2v Total: Syracuse 3 Liberty 12 2p: 4(5), 4s(9), 4(8), 8(12), 16(9), -5s, 28(12) Total: Syracuse 2 Liberty 5 Second Down Total: Syracuse 5 Liberty 17 3r: 4(1), FUMBLE, 2(1), 1(3), 3(4), -1v Total: Syracuse 3 Liberty 3 3p: I, -7s, 7(8), I, 11(4), 10(14) Total: Syracuse 5 Liberty 1 Third Down Total: Syracuse 8 Liberty 4 4r: 4(1), 5(1) Total: Syracuse 2 Liberty 0 4p: none Total: Syracuse 0 Liberty 0 Fourth Down Total: Syracuse 2 Liberty 0 Total on running plays: Syracuse 16 Liberty 29 Total on passing plays: Syracuse 10 Liberty 13 Total on plays from scrimmage: Syracuse 26 Liberty 42 Penalties not tacked on to plays: +5, -5 Syracuse 1 Liberty 1 Game total when LIBERTY had the ball: Syracuse 33 Liberty 54 Overall Game Total: Syracuse 77 Liberty 93 Comments: Our offense wasn’t terrible, the leading deficiency being second and third down passes. We ran the ball well, 9agaisnt a team that ran it spectacularly). Our kicking game was tremendous. The only time we kicked the ball and the result wasn’t to our advantage was the onsides kick. Our return game was good, except for the two holding penalties. We had a good third down defense, (8-4), but were dominated on 1st and 2ed downs, (16-38). But what really killed us was the big plays – a 75 yard run, a 52 yard run, a 36 yard pass, a 16 yard run. Our average starting position in 13 possessions was our 35, with a total of 840 yards to go. Liberty’s was their 22 (also 13 possessions) with 1,020 yards to go. that’s a hidden offense of 180 yards for SU – that didn’t matter. So this game was SU 77, Liberty 93 = -16 in plays ‘won’. We’ve had a lot of games like that in the Babers Era: 2016: Syracuse 98 Notre Dame 111 = -13 We lost 33-50 2017: Syracuse 93 North Carolina State 112 =-19 We lost 25-33 2017: Syracuse 90 Florida State 108 = -18 We lost 24-27 2018: Syracuse 86 Clemson 102 = -16 We lost 23-27 2018: Syracuse 86 Notre Dame 99 = -13 We lost 3-36 2019: Syracuse 96 Florida State 115 = -19 We lost 17-35 2019: Syracuse 85 Louisville 104 = -19 We lost 34-56 The issue is: does Liberty belong on that list of opposition? [/QUOTE]

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