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Message: [QUOTE="OrangeAl, post: 308561, member: 308"] I sincerely repent of saying something negative about Ben. Yeah, the atmosphere at SU then was not conducive to football success. People were reading books by Dave Meggysey and Jim Brown and concluding that football was "dehumaninzing" and we were playing in the remnant that was "crumbling old Archbold." I was at SU when Ben went vocal about the "Hanoi boys" that were trying to tear SU football down. In 1972 or 73 there was a "meet the coach" session that was held in the lounge of Sadler Hall. I remember seeing Ben and thinking, "That's an old man." Of course, he was only a few years older than I am now! By today's standards he was an old-looking man for his age. I always thought it was sad the way his era ended. [/QUOTE]