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Class of 2026 WR E'Shawn Sutton (FL) Flipped to CMU

Some of these guys you just have to wonder why in the first place. Hopefully, this means Fran realizes he needs a little more portal and less 30+ man HS classes.

It makes a ton of sense to lock up kids you think might blow up based on measurables before their senior years. If they have excellent seasons, you already have them committed. If they have poor seasons, move on and find other players in the portal or elsewhere.

What is the downside here?
 
It makes a ton of sense to lock up kids you think might blow up based on measurables before their senior years. If they have excellent seasons, you already have them committed. If they have poor seasons, move on and find other players in the portal or elsewhere.

What is the downside here?
I can go along with that idea if there are expressed contingencies from the beginning. Decommitments can inflict damage to both parties. It stinks that you may understand you have a position covered so you might quit recruiting some kids because your set. Kid flips and your 2nd, 3rd choices have found other schools. Same with a kid that thinks he is all set with his excepted commitment and now his 2nd, 3rd schools may no longer have a spot for him. I don't think you really want your program to get a reputation that your promise is easily broken.
 
I can go along with that idea if there are expressed contingencies from the beginning. Decommitments can inflict damage to both parties. It stinks that you may understand you have a position covered so you might quit recruiting some kids because your set. Kid flips and your 2nd, 3rd choices have found other schools. Same with a kid that thinks he is all set with his excepted commitment and now his 2nd, 3rd schools may no longer have a spot for him. I don't think you really want your program to get a reputation that your promise is easily broken.
So if a player just isn't good enough we're supposed to still bring them in because we "made a promise"?

Sorry, but this is high level college football. If we didn't cut them loose, they'd come here and be transferring after a season anyways. These kids will find landing spots.
 
So if a player just isn't good enough we're supposed to still bring them in because we "made a promise"?

Sorry, but this is high level college football. If we didn't cut them loose, they'd come here and be transferring after a season anyways. These kids will find landing spots.
Totally get your point. Still sucks though. Both sides are guilty.
 
It makes a ton of sense to lock up kids you think might blow up based on measurables before their senior years. If they have excellent seasons, you already have them committed. If they have poor seasons, move on and find other players in the portal or elsewhere.

What is the downside here?
HS HC’s are proud and have their local circles. Do this too often and at the wrong places and the next time you really want a player from the area it may be a little harder.

As for the development part, i can understand if this is someone with elite measurable’s, but what we are really hoping from a 5’11 180lb? What can they possibly show in improvement in their HS Sr year.

I’d rather go and take him from Uconn or a Sun Belt school if it’s called for.
 
HS HC’s are proud and have their local circles. Do this too often and at the wrong places and the next time you really want a player from the area it may be a little harder.

As for the development part, i can understand if this is someone with elite measurable’s, but what we are really hoping from a 5’11 180lb? What can they possibly show in improvement in their HS Sr year.

I’d rather go and take him from Uconn or a Sun Belt school if it’s called for.
Devonta Smith won the Heisman at that size. What can they possibly show in improvement? If they have the speed/agility, and put it together on the field they can be good enough.

HS coaches mostly understand the nuances of the recruiting game a lot better than the fans do
 
Devonta Smith won the Heisman at that size. What can they possibly show in improvement? If they have the speed/agility, and put it together on the field they can be good enough.

HS coaches mostly understand the nuances of the recruiting game a lot better than the fans do
Yea and Devonta Smith was an elite recruit from the moment he stepped on the field because he has natural speed and agility , the type you just don’t add over a summer from trying hard. Weird comparison.
 
Yea and Devonta Smith was an elite recruit from the moment he stepped on the field because he has natural speed and agility , the type you just don’t add over a summer from trying hard. Weird comparison.
And what I was saying if you think a kid has the speed and agility, you take him and see how he develops. Your post specifically called out the size
 
And what I was saying if you think a kid has the speed and agility, you take him and see how he develops. Your post specifically called out the size
i meant a kid with measurables. Like these 6’7 300lb + lineman, not some 5’10 160lber
 
Speed/agility are also measurables.
not the ones that count. i don't care how hard you work, you're not going to put on that much speed and agility in 1 offseason to make a difference.
 
not the ones that count. i don't care how hard you work, you're not going to put on that much speed and agility in 1 offseason to make a difference.
My entire point was that if you get a guy with great speed and agility and he doesn't develop, you cut him loose. You're arguing something that wasn't my point.
 
PS story this morning shedding light on the dark side of some of this stuff. Teams having to make decisions and kids getting hurt. It happens everywhere, all the time obviously but it still burns people.

Not a PS story.

It's an Orlando Sentinel story written by his butthurt HS coach.
If he decommitted a week before signing day because he got a bigger bag from an SEC school, you wouldn't hear one word about it from his coach.
 
Not a PS story.

It's an Orlando Sentinel story written by his butthurt HS coach.
If he decommitted a week before signing day because he got a bigger bag from an SEC school, you wouldn't hear one word about it from his coach.
Gotcha. I see that now.
And I absolutely agree. There could be thousands of articles written like this every year.
 
Not a PS story.

It's an Orlando Sentinel story written by his butthurt HS coach.
If he decommitted a week before signing day because he got a bigger bag from an SEC school, you wouldn't hear one word about it from his coach.
True but you would hear about it from ours and our fan base., and the player would be accused of everything from treason to making the biggest mistake of his life.

It's a shady business on both sides. I see 4 kids from CBA had to wait until yesterday to see what schools had room.

I do love the "flipped" designation. Should probably be something like "tossed"
 
This isn’t necessarily a new phenomenon. With the current landscape of college football, it wouldn’t shock me to see more of this. Stinks for the young man and his family, no doubt. I hope he tears it up at CMU.
 
Not a PS story.

It's an Orlando Sentinel story written by his butthurt HS coach.
If he decommitted a week before signing day because he got a bigger bag from an SEC school, you wouldn't hear one word about it from his coach.

I see the point you’re attempting to make, but honestly, it doesn’t make sense to me when looking at a single player.

You’d have to go look for a kid who had the option to screw the school he committed to for bigger bag elsewhere, but then had the rug pulled out from him by that school he ultimately chose. How often could that possibly happen?

I take everything I read in the news with a giant grain of salt, but if it really went down this way, calling the coach “butt hurt” is a bit obnoxious. He’s advocating for and wants the best for his player. If Sutton really had 14 other scholarships, was committed to Syracuse for 8 months, so those other schools moved on, yeah, he got screwed. Call a spade a spade. It sucks. Problem is we are desensitized to that now given the current landscape. Other situations where kids screw the school and go elsewhere are irrelevant to Sutton’s situation.
 
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Not a PS story.

It's an Orlando Sentinel story written by his butthurt HS coach.
If he decommitted a week before signing day because he got a bigger bag from an SEC school, you wouldn't hear one word about it from his coach.
That doesn't make it right. I'm not going to rationalize it. He was screwed and honestly if I'm that coach, I'd never send another player to Fran Brown.
 
Not a PS story.

It's an Orlando Sentinel story written by his butthurt HS coach.
If he decommitted a week before signing day because he got a bigger bag from an SEC school, you wouldn't hear one word about it from his coach.
Still not a good look for Fran. Story in the Orlando Sentinel but distributed nationally by the Tribune News Service. Let's see if any other media outlet picks it up. Fodder for other coaches to use to recruit against us whether or not the facts in the story are totally accurate.
 
Glad the kid found a new landing spot.

Not that big of a deal, IMO. Happens all the time, everywhere, at programs from every level.
And despite the timing, it's always better to be honest with a kid that you don't think will work out at this level. The hard truth gives hijm time to re-engage with another school, saves him and SU from the ordeal of no playing time/portaling/taking up a spot that should go to a more qualified player, etc.
 

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