Yasin Willis transferring to Kansas

[shu 49]

I like Tylik Hill.

Think he has a chance to be great here but I thought Willis did too although he still could be good somewhere else.

 

[Cuse House]

Jawar Jordan is the perfect style RB for this offense. He would have killed it under Nixon.

 

[shu 49]

I like Tylik Hill’s wiggle as much as the next guy but let's be honest. A lot of the hype around him feels subconscious. People hear Tylik Hill and their brain jumps straight to Tyreek Hill and suddenly we’re talking like we’ve unearthed the second coming because he made a couple defenders miss in space.

Reality is he had two offers out of high school, us and UMass, that’s it. He’s a nice complementary piece but he's not a proven bell cow. We still need a true #1 workhorse back. I prefer CJ Baxter but I'd be good with Peyton Lewis or Cam Edwards.

I just said he has potential. He has vision and can stop and cut like no one we have. A perfect zone back. He is also only freshman. We liked Tucker too a bit as frosh and he made a huge jump following year. Depends on each kid. I feel vision is key to a good rb. If u can’t see the hole or crease ur wasting valuable spacing. Next is athletic ability and the possibility once u see hole u can dip, cut, or have enough flexibility and explosiveness to get to opening and then its holding onto football and driving legs thru contact while eyes are up and open looking for more yards. Tuck did all of that really well and I’m hoping hill can to.

 

[tep624]

I like Tylik Hill’s wiggle as much as the next guy but let's be honest. A lot of the hype around him feels subconscious. People hear Tylik Hill and their brain jumps straight to Tyreek Hill and suddenly we’re talking like we’ve unearthed the second coming because he made a couple defenders miss in space.

Reality is he had two offers out of high school, us and UMass, that’s it. He’s a nice complementary piece but he's not a proven bell cow. We still need a true #1 workhorse back. I prefer CJ Baxter but I'd be good with Peyton Lewis or Cam Edwards.

Um no, the reason why I mentioned him isn’t because I’m thinking of Tyreek Hill. And I know who he had offers from too. Not that that matters 1 bit once you step on campus. Go check out the offers Rickie Collins had and get back to me.

 

[UpstateSM]

Jawar Jordan is the perfect style RB for this offense. He would have killed it under Nixon.

I'd argue LQA is the perfect style RB for this offense based on what he did while he was in it. He does everything well above average. Especially pass blocking and catching. Just wasn't a burner.

 

[ScriptCuse]

Oh bullshit. Do colleges play on a longer field, where it takes 12 or 13 yards to get a first down??

If you gain more than 4 yards a carry, 3 carries gets you another first down, That has always been the measure of a good running back. I don't care what level you play at.

I’m sick of arguing with people who don’t know ball on this app lol. 4.3 YPC is college isn’t good - merely below/at average. 6 YPC is the marker in college for an efficient back. Sorry to break it to you bud. Research is your friend

 

[sufan59]

I'd argue LQA is the perfect style RB for this offense based on what he did while he was in it. He does everything well above average. Especially pass blocking and catching. Just wasn't a burner.

Even the last part, I think if he stayed another year, he would have that home run ability. You really saw it by the end of the season last year. Maybe we see it eventually with the Jags. Even if we don’t, he’ll do well with what they have him doing now.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I’m sick of arguing with people who don’t know ball on this app lol. 4.3 YPC is college isn’t good - merely below/at average. 6 YPC is the marker in college for an efficient back. Sorry to break it to you bud. Research is your friend

I am sick of people who use the phrase don't know ball who don't know ball themselves, and/throw out stats and get things wrong. Actually anyone who uses that is phrase is 99% of the time an idiot.

There were 32 RBs this year who avg'd a half dozen carries per game in FBS play and had 6+ ypc. So there are only 32 efficient RBs? And heck 6 carries per game isn't usually the primary back. If you go to out to a dozen that 32 gets cut even more.


But back to the original point, Matt is wrong. It has always been 5 ypc in college. So yes 4.3 ypc is bad.

 

[powdersmack]

I like Tylik Hill’s wiggle as much as the next guy but let's be honest. A lot of the hype around him feels subconscious. People hear Tylik Hill and their brain jumps straight to Tyreek Hill and suddenly we’re talking like we’ve unearthed the second coming because he made a couple defenders miss in space.

Reality is he had two offers out of high school, us and UMass, that’s it. He’s a nice complementary piece but he's not a proven bell cow. We still need a true #1 workhorse back. I prefer CJ Baxter but I'd be good with Peyton Lewis or Cam Edwards.

Yep, this is why no one missed you after you got whacked.

 

[ScriptCuse]

I am sick of people who use the phrase don't know ball who don't know ball themselves, and/throw out stats and get things wrong. Actually anyone who uses that is phrase is 99% of the time an idiot.

There were 32 RBs this year who avg'd a half dozen carries per game in FBS play and had 6+ ypc. So there are only 32 efficient RBs? And heck 6 carries per game isn't usually the primary back. If you go to out to a dozen that 32 gets cut even more.


But back to the original point, Matt is wrong. It has always been 5 ypc in college. So yes 4.3 ypc is bad.

So all that to say I was right? Lmao the people on this site argue for the fun of it you people are weird

 

[HRE Otto IV]

So all that to say I was right? Lmao the people on this site argue for the fun of it you people are weird

You were right that 4.3 ypc is not good but you were wrong that 6 ypc is the standard.

Maybe you should use less time critiquing others and more time looking into the mirror.

 

[ScriptCuse]

You were right that 4.3 ypc is not good but you were wrong that 6 ypc is the standard.

Maybe you should use less time critiquing others and more time looking into the mirror.

He jumped in the middle of my discussion swearing at me but whatever you say big guy. Merry Christmas

 

[HRE Otto IV]

He jumped in the middle of my discussion swearing at me but whatever you say big guy. Merry Christmas

Move the goalposts much?


Edit
And BTW Saquon averaged 5.7 ypc at Penn State including the FCS games. His best year was 5.9 ypc, but I guess he wasn't an efficient as a college RB.

 

[Cusefan69]

To everyone:

Just trying to add some humor to an overly serious thread on Christmas. Relax folks and laugh some.

 

[2B20Again]

Yeah, it's really not good. Lost 3 RBs. The room now consists of a 6th year player awaiting a waiver, who's an average RB at best. 3 lightly recruited players and a converted WR or DB, all of whom will be in their first or second year on campus and have almost zero playing experience. Only so many big bags. Unless it’s an Eleuterio RB. Much more important get get people who can open holes for RB. Willis is a talented RB, however, he had an average speed and needed to get up to speed at the second level to be effective. Also lost a few fumbles for a guy his size.

Throw a big bag at that UConn RB, and one other and I'll feel much better, as will the staff I assume.

 

[sufandu]

Even the last part, I think if he stayed another year, he would have that home run ability. You really saw it by the end of the season last year. Maybe we see it eventually with the Jags. Even if we don’t, he’ll do well with what they have him doing now.

He wasn't going to get any faster. He may have been able to get bigger/stronger while preserving his speed, but he was what he was, speed wise. He made the right move to leave when he did.

 

[SuFTW]

I like Tylik Hill’s wiggle as much as the next guy but let's be honest. A lot of the hype around him feels subconscious. People hear Tylik Hill and their brain jumps straight to Tyreek Hill and suddenly we’re talking like we’ve unearthed the second coming because he made a couple defenders miss in space.

Reality is he had two offers out of high school, us and UMass, that’s it. He’s a nice complementary piece but he's not a proven bell cow. We still need a true #1 workhorse back. I prefer CJ Baxter but I'd be good with Peyton Lewis or Cam Edwards.

Nah, people are forming opinions based on his play this year, albeit somewhat limited.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I’m sick of arguing with people who don’t know ball on this app lol. 4.3 YPC is college isn’t good - merely below/at average. 6 YPC is the marker in college for an efficient back. Sorry to break it to you bud. Research is your friend

Last year, there were only 20 RBs in all of college football who averaged 6 yards per carry.

Only 7 of the Top 25 in total yards for the season averaged 6 yards per carry.

Your standards for what constitutes "good" is awfully exclusive, and not a very realistic expectation.

There is only TWO PLAYERS in SU History who averaged 6 yards a carry for his career - Ernie Davis and JIM BROWN.

Nobody else - Not Floyd Little, not Joe Morris, Sean Tucker, Walter Reyes, LaQuint Allen, or Robert Drummond.

Hell, these guys didn't even average FIVE YARDS A CARRY - they all must have sucked, right? You're talking about Larry Csonka, Delone Carter, Darryl Johnston, Boonah Brinkley, Jerome Smith, Jamie Covington, Rob Konrad and Antoine Bailey.

Yes, research is your friend.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I am sick of people who use the phrase don't know ball who don't know ball themselves, and/throw out stats and get things wrong. Actually anyone who uses that is phrase is 99% of the time an idiot.

There were 32 RBs this year who avg'd a half dozen carries per game in FBS play and had 6+ ypc. So there are only 32 efficient RBs? And heck 6 carries per game isn't usually the primary back. If you go to out to a dozen that 32 gets cut even more.


But back to the original point, Matt is wrong. It has always been 5 ypc in college. So yes 4.3 ypc is bad.

According to the NCAA website, among guys who had enough carries to qualify, it was only 20.

 

[IthacaMatt]

You were right that 4.3 ypc is not good but you were wrong that 6 ypc is the standard.

Maybe you should use less time critiquing others and more time looking into the mirror.

Eleven of Syracuse's Top 40 all-time career rushers averaged 4.3 ypc or less.

More than 25% of our all-time best.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Eleven of Syracuse's Top 40 all-time career rushers averaged 4.3 ypc or less.

More than 25% of our all-time best.

Any in the modern era weren’t good then.

Different eras you can’t compare.

Edit
You are talking career or Too 40 seasons? Career can be biased by a single bad season which might not be the RBs fault.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Any in the modern era weren’t good then.

Different eras you can’t compare.

What do you consider "modern era"? Brinkley graduated in 2005 and averaged 4.3 per carry.

Dontae Strickland is #28 all time with over 1700 yards for us.
He averaged 4.0 and graduated in 2015.

LaQuint Allen - 4.6 ypc, and two 1,000 yard seasons. Sucked, right? That was 3 years ago.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

What do you consider "modern era"? Brinkley graduated in 2005 and averaged 4.3 per carry.

Dontae Strickland is #28 all time with over 1700 yards for us.
He averaged 4.0 and graduated in 2015.

LaQuint Allen - 4.6 ypc, and two 1,000 yard seasons. Sucked, right? That was 3 years ago.

They were all below avg IMO without even knowing their YPC.

 

[IthacaMatt]

They were all below avg IMO without even knowing their YPC.

Brinkley and Allen were 1,000 yard rushers, Allen twice.

Strickland was a dual threat guy who gained about 500-600 yards on the ground and added 20 catches or so a year for 3 of his 4 years. He has more than 20 TDs in his career.

These were all very solid players for us.

You guys are not realistic in your assessments.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Brinkley and Allen were 1,000 yard rushers, Allen twice.

Strickland was a dual threat guy who gained about 500-600 yards on the ground and added 20 catches or so a year for 3 of his 4 years. He has more than 20 TDs in his career.

These were all very solid players for us.

You guys are not realistic in your assessments.

Those outputs are a dime a dozen. If 4.0 ypc is good then just about every starting RB gets a trophy.

Edit
Of the Top 21 rushers this year in yardage only one was under 5 ypc and that guy was a QB so I bet there were sacks in there knocking him down a bit.

Of the Top 56 only 7 were under 5 ypc and 3 were QBs. And only two of the Top 56 were under 4.74 ypc.

It is rare to be at 4.3 and also be a Top 50 rusher.