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Just hit me that nobody has mentioned Battle. Doubt he would do it next year, but he'd be really interesting to watch in this format down the road.

I don't know -- I think our team's problem is that we have ball dominant scorers who don't excel at moving the ball quickly to find good shots. Too much one-on-one. Battle would be more of the same, I fear.

Love Battle -- I just think we need to get guys who can hit shots, are unselfish, and have versatility.
 
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After watching the games in person this weekend, two names stand out: Rakeem and Roberson. Needed for rebounding.
 
Dare I say...


Scoop?

Is Scoop still playing? If he was a recent grad and/or still playing professionally I take him in a minute, but he'd have to still be active in basketball. I think the level of play has gotten too high for guys to walk in from the local YMCA and fare well.
 
I don't know -- I think our team's problem is that we have ball dominant scorers who don't excel at moving the ball quickly to find good shots. Too much one-on-one. Battle would be more of the same, I fear.

Love Battle -- I just think we need to get guys who can hit shots, are unselfish, and have versatility.

Did you feel that way last year with Triche? Or is it just because Crawford and Devemdorf did a lot of the ball handling?

I'm thinking Battle as a 3, not a 1 ... or even a 2.
 
Did you feel that way last year with Triche? Or is it just because Crawford and Devemdorf did a lot of the ball handling?

I'm thinking Battle as a 3, not a 1 ... or even a 2.

I see what you're saying, but he's not a knockdown shooter. I like White there. Southerland would be solid. I Think Gbinije is a better option as well.
 
I see what you're saying, but he's not a knockdown shooter. I like White there. Southerland would be solid. I Think Gbinije is a better option as well.
I pick on White because IMHO he is the most obvious example - for me get rid of guys who only bring 1 skill set to the party. We can't afford to carry guys like that on the roster. My knock down shooter, designated rebounder, post player, whatever - needs to bring other sills to the table
 
Did you feel that way last year with Triche? Or is it just because Crawford and Devemdorf did a lot of the ball handling?

I'm thinking Battle as a 3, not a 1 ... or even a 2.

I meant more stylistically -- that a guy who needs the ball in his hands / high usage type might be antithetic to the style of play that seems to be more effective in this type of tournament setting.

I want guys who move the ball quickly and move well without the ball.
 
I see what you're saying, but he's not a knockdown shooter. I like White there. Southerland would be solid. I Think Gbinije is a better option as well.

I wouldn't trade Battle for White either. But I think both White and Southerland have to be PF types in this tournament while Battle should be a 3. I thought Gbinije would thrive in this kind of tournament, but after seeing him, I'd be willing to give Battle a chance instead.

Triche
Devendorf
Battle
White
McCullough

Would be a pretty interesting line up.
 
Not sure how Paul Harris’s pro career has unfolded, and if his jumper has developed any consistency over the last decade.

But he could possibly be the type of all around player that Boeheim’s Army needs. He was always an excellent rebounder, strong man to man defender, with decent ball handling and passing skills.
 
Next year I don't think we need centers that can only play center. I would take guys like Hak and CMac that are probably versatile enough to play the 4 and slide to the 5 if necessary. We've had true centers for a few years and I don't feel like we are able to utilize them well in this format.

We need energy guys, guys who can get up and down the court (especially who can get back on D) and guys who can shoot.

And, I know this is blasphemy, but please no zone!! Guys aren't committed enough to the rotations to play it well against opponents that can shoot at most positions.

Triche
Devo
Ennis
Gillon
Rautins / BJ
Gbinije / BJ
DNic / BJ
BJ / Harris (be nice to have someone that would hit the glass)
Hak
Rak
CMac
I agree 100% on the zone. Even Boeheim himself said they shouldn't be playing zone unless they had a ton of time to practice/gel.

Also key to separate how these guys played in college from what they've shown in TBT. It can be a big difference. For example, CJ Fair looked way too passive in the other years. I thought Gbinije would be better, but to be fair he didn't get a ton of time on the court.
 
They invited too many guys to join the team. Just focus on 8 guys who can contribute. I'm not including Battle because hopefully the NBA dream won't be dead a year from now. Oh yeah, we need to completely ditch the 2-3. It works against 18-22 year olds that haven't developed fully as shooters yet with a full season of focused practice. You can't just slap together a pick up team and expect them to rotate well, so we need players who can check up man to man.

G-Tyler Ennis: Very smart, good shooter, could be a great facilitator for the team. The Devo/Gillion/Crawford are all score first guys, and the team needs a "true" point guard.
G-Jonny Flynn: I doubt he'd actually play, but this is a wish-list. Even if he's a half step slower because of the hip and/or age he should still be one of the quickest players in the tourney. He'd be the main defensive guard, with Ennis playing the lesser threat. Defensively is where I think Flynn would be the biggest upgrade from Gillion/Crawford.
G-Andrew White: The best catch and shoot guy they can bring in. Shot 39.5% from 3 in college which is fantastic. (other three point specialists in recentish SU history include, GMAC 35.4%, Cooney 33.7%, Southerland 37%, Rautins 37.4%, Gillon 37.8%, Buddy 35.3%) Plus he's a taller guard to offset Ennis and Flynn who are both skinny and short.
F-Wesley Johnson: He's out of the league now, and could be their best and most versatile all around player. He's a big NBA athletic guy who can do a lot of things, he's not a selfish player, and most important of all he should be a willing rebounder.
F-Hakim Warrick: He's going to be 38 next year, which might be too old, but he sill plays pro ball and should be in shape. He can be the go to post guy on the team. He showed this year that he can still fill that role.
F-C. J. Fair: Heck of a scorer, can sub for either Johnson or Warrick to fill either role. He should be able to work in the post with Wes at the wing, or on the wing with Hak in the post. He's also another guy who should improve the rebounding effort.
C-Rakeem Christmas: My first choice was Fab... Until I remembered he unfortunately died :(. Rak is Arinze with real offensive potential. He can clog the lane just as well, and maybe even contribute with some post touches, or some high-low looks.
C-Baye Moussa Keita: Purely for keeping opponents off the offensive glass. If a team is kicking their asses with offensive rebounding, Keita could be the cure.

Bonus- Carmelo Anthony: For obvious reasons. Leave an open invite for Melo, they're probably not getting him, but if you do he should be the best player in the tourney. Even if he probably won't help the rebounding, the dude will get any shot he wants. Memes about his effort on defense aside, a half effort Melo shouldn't have any problems checking 90% of TBT players.

Alternates,
Guards: Michael Gbinije, Brandon Triche, Greg Paulus
Forwards: Tyler Roberson, Paul Harris, Chris McCullough
Center: DaJuan Coleman, Arinze Onuaku
 
GUARDS
Tyler Ennis
Brandon Triche
Michael Gbinije
Andy Rautins

FORWARDS
Carmelo Anthony
Hak Warrick
Rakeem Christmas
CJ Fair
Andrew White
Arinze Onuaku
 
Next year I don't think we need centers that can only play center. I would take guys like Hak and CMac that are probably versatile enough to play the 4 and slide to the 5 if necessary. We've had true centers for a few years and I don't feel like we are able to utilize them well in this format.

We need energy guys, guys who can get up and down the court (especially who can get back on D) and guys who can shoot.

And, I know this is blasphemy, but please no zone!! Guys aren't committed enough to the rotations to play it well against opponents that can shoot at most positions.

Triche
Devo
Ennis
Gillon
Rautins / BJ
Gbinije / BJ
DNic / BJ
BJ / Harris (be nice to have someone that would hit the glass)
Hak
Rak
CMac
not because i don't like him but because of the apparent need for a 5 who can shoot, subtract rak and add andray blatche, who turned himself into a competent 3 pt shooter in china.
 
They invited too many guys to join the team. Just focus on 8 guys who can contribute. I'm not including Battle because hopefully the NBA dream won't be dead a year from now. Oh yeah, we need to completely ditch the 2-3. It works against 18-22 year olds that haven't developed fully as shooters yet with a full season of focused practice. You can't just slap together a pick up team and expect them to rotate well, so we need players who can check up man to man.

G-Tyler Ennis: Very smart, good shooter, could be a great facilitator for the team. The Devo/Gillion/Crawford are all score first guys, and the team needs a "true" point guard.
G-Jonny Flynn: I doubt he'd actually play, but this is a wish-list. Even if he's a half step slower because of the hip and/or age he should still be one of the quickest players in the tourney. He'd be the main defensive guard, with Ennis playing the lesser threat. Defensively is where I think Flynn would be the biggest upgrade from Gillion/Crawford.
G-Andrew White: The best catch and shoot guy they can bring in. Shot 39.5% from 3 in college which is fantastic. (other three point specialists in recentish SU history include, GMAC 35.4%, Cooney 33.7%, Southerland 37%, Rautins 37.4%, Gillon 37.8%, Buddy 35.3%) Plus he's a taller guard to offset Ennis and Flynn who are both skinny and short.
F-Wesley Johnson: He's out of the league now, and could be their best and most versatile all around player. He's a big NBA athletic guy who can do a lot of things, he's not a selfish player, and most important of all he should be a willing rebounder.
F-Hakim Warrick: He's going to be 38 next year, which might be too old, but he sill plays pro ball and should be in shape. He can be the go to post guy on the team. He showed this year that he can still fill that role.
F-C. J. Fair: Heck of a scorer, can sub for either Johnson or Warrick to fill either role. He should be able to work in the post with Wes at the wing, or on the wing with Hak in the post. He's also another guy who should improve the rebounding effort.
C-Rakeem Christmas: My first choice was Fab... Until I remembered he unfortunately died :(. Rak is Arinze with real offensive potential. He can clog the lane just as well, and maybe even contribute with some post touches, or some high-low looks.
C-Baye Moussa Keita: Purely for keeping opponents off the offensive glass. If a team is kicking their asses with offensive rebounding, Keita could be the cure.

Bonus- Carmelo Anthony: For obvious reasons. Leave an open invite for Melo, they're probably not getting him, but if you do he should be the best player in the tourney. Even if he probably won't help the rebounding, the dude will get any shot he wants. Memes about his effort on defense aside, a half effort Melo shouldn't have any problems checking 90% of TBT players.

Alternates,
Guards: Michael Gbinije, Brandon Triche, Greg Paulus
Forwards: Tyler Roberson, Paul Harris, Chris McCullough
Center: DaJuan Coleman, Arinze Onuaku

Greg Paulus...lol. That guy hasn’t played any real ball in a decade.

I don’t think Flynn has played anywhere in a good 5 years either.

I like the Keita suggestion...if he’s like the 9th man in an 8 man rotation, but situationally you use him for defensive reasons, when you can afford to play a non scorer on offense. There’s a lot of times you just can’t do that. You need 5 threats out there. But occasionally situations might call for a few minutes of Keita.

Wesley and Ennis would be enormous upgrades if we could ever get them. Legit NBA players are just on a different level. See Warrick still being a reliable bucket pretty much whenever they post him up.
 
Ideal 5: Triche, Rautins, Richardson, Wes Johnson, Christmas.

Bench: Gillon, Watkins, Fair, White
 
Honestly, I think this team would have fared much better had the format been different.

3 games in 3 days is really, really tough for some of them.

The guys on the Philly team were all 2012 or later graduates. Devendorf graduated in 2009, Crawford, 2010, Arinze 2010... the extra 2-3 years really showed.

That, and Crawford was an awful fit. Replace Crawford with Triche and I think we win, too. Even with the rebounding deficiency.
 
I don't know -- I think our team's problem is that we have ball dominant scorers who don't excel at moving the ball quickly to find good shots. Too much one-on-one. Battle would be more of the same, I fear.

Love Battle -- I just think we need to get guys who can hit shots, are unselfish, and have versatility.
I totally agree. This team really missed Triche.
 
This type of tournament necessitates a playmaking lead guard who excels at facilitating, and is consistent in that regard. Our team has lacked that kind of player -- too much one-on-one.

Unfortunately there aren’t too many lead guards from Syracuse out there that are under that age of 30, who excel at facilitating.
 
Not sure we can put together a team to beat any of the teams playing in Chicago all look very good. I guess

Ennis
Mal
Wes
CJ
Rak

Devo
Triche
BJ
Hak

Might wanna be younger in a spot or two
 
I don’t really care about specific lineups as much as I care that the guys have a few weeks to play together. BA just didn’t seem to have much chemistry.
 
Aaron Craft and any other four guys. Kid's a winner. All he does is win, win, win no matter what. So likable.
 

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