Zeigler ...?

[TheOrangeBuddha]

Can someone explain the exigent circumstances that allowed Trey Zeigler to transfer from Central Michigan to Pitt immediately? Yes, I already know that his father was the head coach at Central Michigan and was fired. If there is nothing more than that though, how is his situation truly any different from the hundreds of kids that MUST sit out when transferring after a coaching change? It's not.

The application of rules by the NCAA is so crooked and intertwined with inconsistency ...

 

[dasher]

the Baron kid was also allowed to leave rhody and play immediately for his dad after his dad was fired.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'm guessing that Zeigler wasn't on scholarship at CMU (since his dad was HC), so residency requirements don't apply.

 

[TheOrangeBuddha]

I'm guessing that Zeigler wasn't on scholarship at CMU (since his dad was HC), so residency requirements don't apply.

Not sure I follow ... "residency requirement?"

Will have to look up and see whether being a walk-on versus scholarship player makes a difference. Good point.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Not sure I follow ... "residency requirement?"

Will have to look up and see whether being a walk-on versus scholarship player makes a difference. Good point.

When a scholarship athlete transfers between schools, you have to be enrolled at your new school for 11 months before you become eligible (hence the reason why players have to sit out for a year at the new school).

However, if you are a non-scholarship student at your old school, you can enroll and play right away.

 

[Cowtown]

When a scholarship athlete transfers between schools, you have to be enrolled at your new school for 11 months before you become eligible (hence the reason why players have to sit out for a year at the new school).

However, if you are a non-scholarship student at your old school, you can enroll and play right away.

Hmm, that would appear to explain it, especially if TZ didn't have to pay tuition because his father worked for the school?

 

[igor]

retribution

 

[cliftonparksufan]

When a scholarship athlete transfers between schools, you have to be enrolled at your new school for 11 months before you become eligible (hence the reason why players have to sit out for a year at the new school).

However, if you are a non-scholarship student at your old school, you can enroll and play right away.

If that is true I wonder if they changed the rule recently. I thought it didn't matter if you were scholarship or walk on.

 

[TheOrangeBuddha]

14.5.5.2.10.2 Nonrecruited Student. A student-athlete who does not qualify for the exception
due to Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10-(a) may use the one-time transfer exception, provided he or she was not
recruited by the original four-year institution and has never received institutional athletically related
financial aid from any four-year institution. (Adopted: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D113.pdf

OX seems to be correct about a walk-on's ability to play immediately (not that I doubted you, just finally had time to verify).

 

[Room 914]

There are multiple instances of this going on in other sports, baseball, womens sports, and like someone pointed out with Jimmy Barron. It happens in basketball as well.

Think about it logically, he only went to the school to play for his dad. Why shouldn't he get a release? His situation isn't similar to most other people.

 

[PoppyHart]

14.5.5.2.10.2 Nonrecruited Student. A student-athlete who does not qualify for the exception
due to Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10-(a) may use the one-time transfer exception, provided he or she was not
recruited by the original four-year institution and has never received institutional athletically related
financial aid from any four-year institution. (Adopted: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D113.pdf

OX seems to be correct about a walk-on's ability to play immediately (not that I doubted you, just finally had time to verify).

Keep in mind that being recruited and being a scholarship player are not the exact same thing. There are numerous "preferred" walk ons who fall under this bylaw and have to sit out a year.

 

[TheOrangeBuddha]

There are multiple instances of this going on in other sports, baseball, womens sports, and like someone pointed out with Jimmy Barron. It happens in basketball as well.

Think about it logically, he only went to the school to play for his dad. Why shouldn't he get a release? His situation isn't similar to most other people.

Most, if not all of the other sports, excluding football and basketball, do not require a student-athlete to sit out a year (just look at the current SU Men's lacrosse team).

Logically there is no difference between Zeigler picking Central Michigan and Trevor Cooney picking Syracuse (or any other Division 1 basketball scholarship athlete picking their "school"). None. Zeigler chose CMU because of the head coach and that coach's program. Nearly every other Division 1 hoops player does the same thing. Yet when a coach is fired or a coach leaves for "greener" pastures the NCAA requires every other player to sit out the mandatory one year (residency requirement).

This isn't a comment on the rule that un-recruited (as defined by NCAA) walk-ons do not have to sit out when transferring ... it is a comment that logically - the NCAA is again lacking or simply being hypocritical.

 

[Room 914]

Most, if not all of the other sports, excluding football and basketball, do not require a student-athlete to sit out a year (just look at the current SU Men's lacrosse team).

Logically there is no difference between Zeigler picking Central Michigan and Trevor Cooney picking Syracuse (or any other Division 1 basketball scholarship athlete picking their "school"). None. Zeigler chose CMU because of the head coach and that coach's program. Nearly every other Division 1 hoops player does the same thing. Yet when a coach is fired or a coach leaves for "greener" pastures the NCAA requires every other player to sit out the mandatory one year (residency requirement).

Ugh yeah there is, his dad was the coach and that was the only reason he picked the school...it would be the same if Cooney went and played somewhere if his dad coached...like Delaware Blue Hens or something...

 

[TheOrangeBuddha]

Ugh yeah there is, his dad was the coach and that was the only reason he picked the school...it would be the same if Cooney went and played somewhere if his dad coached...like Delaware Blue Hens or something...

Not at all... You are missing the big point - just about EVERY recruit chooses a school based on the coach. The NCAA may try to make a case that the recruits are signing to attend the school, but the reality of the situation is that the players are choosing coaches/programs.

When that coach leaves (for whatever reason) those players pay the penalty of having to play for another coach (one that didn't recruit them and may not run the type of program that best suits their needs) or sit out a full year before playing anywhere else. Zeigler chose to go to CMU because of the coach and his program. Whether it was his father is immaterial in this discussion. His decision was the exact same as 99% of the other players - he based his decision on who the coach was ...

Even you admit this ... Zeigler went to CMU because his Dad was the coach. Every other recruit chooses their school because of the coach too.

(as said previously - this is not a discussion on whether unrecruited [as defined by NCAA] walk-ons should have to sit out a year).