2023-24 Yankees Off Season / Spring Training...

[PoppyHart]

Soto's stats the last 3 years:

2023 2023	Padres	162 162	568 568	97 97	156 156	109 109	132 132	129 129	.275 .275
2022 2022	Padres	52 52	182 182	31 31	43 43	16 16	44 44	34 34	.236 .236
2022 2022	Nationals	101 101	342 342	62 62	84 84	46 46	91 91	62 62	.246

They state good player, but not immense talent. What am I missing?

The fact that this is only 2 years of data?

 

[dan7800]

The fact that this is only 2 years of data?

Sure, but why spend so much for a 1 year rental when the last 2 years they haven't impressed?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[NineOneSeven]

I like King but I think this is a good move.

 

[Noexcuse]

I like King but I think this is a good move.

Yankees lost a lot of pitching depth last 2 days between the 2 trades and rule 5

 

[Fly Rodder]

Soto's stats the last 3 years:

2023 2023	Padres	162 162	568 568	97 97	156 156	109 109	132 132	129 129	.275 .275
2022 2022	Padres	52 52	182 182	31 31	43 43	16 16	44 44	34 34	.236 .236
2022 2022	Nationals	101 101	342 342	62 62	84 84	46 46	91 91	62 62	.246

They state good player, but not immense talent. What am I missing?

Is this real? It's hard to see what you're looking at, but he's top 23 all time in OPS+ (minimum 3,000 PAs) and 3rd among active players. And he's 25. He'd rank 2nd (160) on the Yankees in OPS+ over the last three years behind a guy named Aaron Judge (178).

He's one of the best hitters in the game. And he's a lefty.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Fly Rodder]

Yankees lost a lot of pitching depth last 2 days between the 2 trades and rule 5

Yeah, but they have some studs coming. Henry LaLane is a 19 year old 6'7" lefty in the FCL with a 96-98 MPH fastball, a knockout slider, and a ML ready change up. With a step up in competition this year, he's expected to be one of the best pitching prospects in baseball, not the Yankees organization, all of baseball. It's the FCL, but with all that stuff and his frame, he only had 4 walks in 22 IP ... and 34 Ks. That's an arm to dream on.

I think Brito and Vazquez are serviceable arms that can net some cheap IPs. for now. I don't think anyone will remember their names in 5 years.

I'd like to keep King, but the Yankees offense was hot garbage last year. Soto makes them instantly better.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

It's happening...

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Shawn91111]

I really liked King and Thorpe, but I mean it's Juan Soto. Hopefully they don't stop and get Yamamoto as well.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Yankees get OF Soto in 7-player deal with Padres

The Yankees acquired Padres slugger Juan Soto in a seven-player trade, adding him to a potent outfield mix that includes Alex Verdugo and Aaron Judge.

www.espn.com

 

[RoofBeam]

Another excellent job by Cashman...of bidding against himself. He really knows how to turn the screws for what may be a one year rental and with no other team willing to take on Soto's and Grisham's salaries at the trade cost the Padres were asking. He should not have given up both King and Thorpe.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Another excellent job by Cashman...of bidding against himself. He really knows how to turn the screws for what may be a one year rental and with no other team willing to take on Soto's and Grisham's salaries at the trade cost the Padres were asking. He should not have given up both King and Thorpe.

Kieth Law’s take is that the Yankees didn’t give up much of note. King is the best player going to SD and he has question marks. He doesn’t consider Thorpe no more than a maybe 5th starter because his fastball is slow and flat and gets tattooed by low minors hitters.

Yankees had to give up something to get Soto who is one of the very best hitters in the game.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Fly Rodder]

Higgy is a good dude who busted his ass for years in the minors to go from a late round HS draft pick to a MLB career. I can totally see him getting a chance to manage down the road.

 

[dan7800]

DJ and Stanton are done, so if you have a line up with those 2 guys in the top of it, then you have problems. This lineup also has about 3 guys who were ~.200 hitters last year.

 

[dan7800]

Another excellent job by Cashman...of bidding against himself. He really knows how to turn the screws for what may be a one year rental and with no other team willing to take on Soto's and Grisham's salaries at the trade cost the Padres were asking. He should not have given up both King and Thorpe.

How dare you bash Cashman. He's done such a great job. The 1 WS in 20 years with a massive payroll is proof enough.

Agreed. He gave up far too much. Remember when everyone said that he had fleeced the Marlins for Stanton. How did that turn out?

 

[Fly Rodder]

Something to look forward to (also, too, the pitcher is Randy Vasquez).

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Juan Soto homers (10) on a fly ball to right field. Jake Cronenworth scores. | BaseballSavant.com

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[Fly Rodder]

How dare you bash Cashman. He's done such a great job. The 1 WS in 20 years with a massive payroll is proof enough.

Agreed. He gave up far too much. Remember when everyone said that he had fleeced the Marlins for Stanton. How did that turn out?

This is nothing like the Stanton deal. There is no financial obligation after this season and Soto is a much much better hitter than Stanton. Prime Stanton coming off of an MVP season had slightly more power than Soto, but not much. Soto is younger better and it's a one year rental. The Yankees gave up nothing, maybe a mid-rotation starter in King - at best. Thorpe might possibly could be a mid-rotation starter. He was a highly polished college pitcher without a ML fastball who dominated less experienced minor league hitters with his breaking stuff. He's got a long way to go before he's ML ready.

Professional baseball writers don't agree with you, so ...

They got an NLCS appearance out of the trade and some legit talent back, but, well, things have gone south financially. It’s hard to spin trading Soto as a positive.
Yankees grade: A
Padres grade: C
Juan Soto is on a Hall of Fame path. Check that, he’s on a path to being an inner-circle Hall of Famer, in there with the greatest of the great. If you want to push back on that, remember that the dude just turned 25.
There’s a lot of hope going the other way, though, so it’s a hard deal to love from the Padres’ perspective.
Yankees: A+
Padres: C+
The last left-handed (or switch) hitters with a .400 OBP across a full season for the Yankees are Jorge Posada, Jason Giambi and Bobby Abreu. It’s been 16 years since any of them last did it. Soto has never had a sub-.400 OBP or 140 OPS+ season. Not in the majors. Not in the minors. For the Padres, the return is the return. It’s fine, if you’ve come to accept the position that the Padres must move Soto and his projected $33 million salary sooner than later. But it’s not bowling you over. Michael King has looked really good at times, and even better lately, but he’s also 28, two years from free agency, and he’s yet to carry a full starter’s workload in the majors
Yankees: A
Padres: B-

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