Chance Westry Transferring to Syracuse

[SUFan44]

Hima should never play a minute at SU. No disrespect to the kid, but he barely played minutes for a team 2.5 levels below SU.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Hima should never play a minute at SU. No disrespect to the kid, but he barely played minutes for a team 2.5 levels below SU.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Wouldn't put much stock into Hima's per 40 defensive numbers in this new system. Standing in the center of the zone and blocking anything that comes near is far different from going out and guarding ball screens, switching, etc.

Hima was perfect for the zone, but his man-guarding was the reason he didn't see the floor much at Duquesne. Suspect we'll only see him in limited spots.

Amen

 

[atlanticuse]

This thread has gone in 10 directions.
Will Chance be back by January?
Did he have a procedure, or needs one?

 

[kingtidge]

This thread has gone in 10 directions.
Will Chance be back by January?
Did he have a procedure, or needs one?

It's Copeland time.

Westery was a good portal story at least

 

[007]

Copeland being a turnover machine is simply not true. The stats do not support that.

It's a board trope that Copeland is a walking turnover. He isn't and he wasn't.

The advanced stats I looked at quickly do support that "trope."

For the season, Q's turnover percentage per 100 possessions was 21.3%. The only G/F with a higher percentage was Torrence at 27.2%.

I agree Q has potential and I think he will be a much better fit in Red's system. I see him more as a forward than G in any system. His play (to my eye) and his stats from last season do not support the profile of PG. To me, he is much better suited as a point forward high energy type.

Sports Reference Stats

 

[Orangezoo]

The advanced stats I looked at quickly do support that "trope."

For the season, Q's turnover percentage per 100 possessions was 21.3%. The only G/F with a higher percentage was Torrence at 27.2%.

I agree Q has potential and I think he will be a much better fit in Red's system. I see him more as a forward than G in any system. His play (to my eye) and his stats from last season do not support the profile of PG. To me, he is much better suited as a point forward high energy type.

Sports Reference Stats

The advanced stats can mislead with a player like Quadir.

In his first 9 games he had 9 turnovers and 3 assists against what was mostly against an extremely weak non conference slate.

In his last 11 games he had 4 turnovers and 7 assists.

He very much started to improve the second half of the year and the stats reflect it. Advanced stats weigh too much on the first half of the year not to mention his better performances were in league play to boot.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Plus I remember looking at some other stuff relative to other players on the roster, it might have been per 40s, and his turnovers weren't jumping off the page.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Plus I remember looking at some other stuff relative to other players on the roster, it might have been per 40s, and his turnovers weren't jumping off the page.

Per 40 he averaged the same as Mintz FWIW.

 

[AlaskaSU]

17-42 from 3 in ACC play. 24-61 overall. 3rd on the team. That's more than nothing.

My point is that he seldom got his shot off. Therefore he was not holding his own. I agree that his % was OK.

 

[Cusefan0307]

My point is that he seldom got his shot off. Therefore he was not holding his own. I agree that his % was OK.

Per 40 minutes he attempted as many shots as Copeland and more than Maliq Brown. He was 3rd on the team in 3’s made and attempted.

 

[OmahaCuse]

Hima should never play a minute at SU. No disrespect to the kid, but he barely played minutes for a team 2.5 levels below SU.

My point is that he seldom got his shot off. Therefore he was not holding his own. I agree that his % was OK.

He played limited minutes and JG got the open looks. He will get his chance this year at some wide open 3’s. Elite shooter

 

[cliftonparksufan]

My point is that he seldom got his shot off. Therefore he was not holding his own. I agree that his % was OK.

Per 40 minutes he attempted as many shots as Copeland and more than Maliq Brown. He was 3rd on the team in 3’s made and attempted.

Who cares about last year? Let's move forward. The good thing about Red is that everything should be a clean slate. Everyone starts fresh. Sometimes it hard to understand that we all root for the same team.

 

[AlaskaSU]

I was disputing the fact we need these guys to create shots. It’s ridiculous when Mintz is going to be the lead ball handler. They aren’t going to be asked to do that at all this year. Otherwise based on last year you are right.

We have different definitions of create shots. As I said, as a shooter he needs some creativity, a jab, a step back, shot off the dribble, etc. He does not need to drive. He was a nonfactor because he needed ideal conditions to get his shot off.

 

[Cusefan0307]

We have different definitions of create shots. As I said, as a shooter he needs some creativity, a jab, a step back, shot off the dribble, etc. He does not need to drive. He was a nonfactor because he needed ideal conditions to get his shot off.

I think dying on a hill that a likely role player who will be anywhere from 7-9th in the rotation needs to create shots to play is a bit much. He is a likely 3 point specialist on this team that will be asked to play good defense. That's it.

He's Joey Calcaterra or Alex Karaban on last years UConn team. All they did was catch and shoot.

 

[Orangezoo]

We have different definitions of create shots. As I said, as a shooter he needs some creativity, a jab, a step back, shot off the dribble, etc. He does not need to drive. He was a nonfactor because he needed ideal conditions to get his shot off.

You could simply start and end with you are very bearish and down on the start to the Red era. The arguments to validate are full of holes. We will see what happens.

 

[AlaskaSU]

Per 40 minutes he attempted as many shots as Copeland and more than Maliq Brown. He was 3rd on the team in 3’s made and attempted.

Yes, but Brown was one dimensional and Copeland was turnover prone. As a team we were often outscored.

 

[007]

The advanced stats can mislead with a player like Quadir.

In his first 9 games he had 9 turnovers and 3 assists against what was mostly against an extremely weak non conference slate.

In his last 11 games he had 4 turnovers and 7 assists.

He very much started to improve the second half of the year and the stats reflect it. Advanced stats weigh too much on the first half of the year not to mention his better performances were in league play to boot.

I hear you and I agree, stats don't always tell the full story.

Putting stats aside and going off watching him play and my own experience (FWIW), Q's skill set is much more forward than guard IMO.

However, I think this debate is mostly irrelevant now given Red's system. I think that system will play to Q's strengths.

 

[Orangezoo]

I hear you and I agree, stats don't always tell the full story.

Putting stats aside and going off watching him play and my own experience (FWIW), Q's skill set is much more forward than guard IMO.

However, I think this debate is mostly irrelevant now given Red's system. I think that system will play to Q's strengths.

Q is definitely a point forward or point wing for sure. That said the rules of who you initiate the offense through and who brings up the ball have completely changed at all levels. The five positions on the court to me are reaching a point where they need new titles.

 

[cusefan88]

I think the way Boeheim deployed Copeland has warped what people think he is and can do.

I'm going to wait and see how he plays with this new philosophy.

 

[Sherman20]

We have different definitions of create shots. As I said, as a shooter he needs some creativity, a jab, a step back, shot off the dribble, etc. He does not need to drive. He was a nonfactor because he needed ideal conditions to get his shot off.

Calling Bell a “nonfactor” is total hyperbole. He helped us win some games with some key shots and a few solid shooting games, though he did trail off towards the end of the season. Was he a nonfactor on the boards? Yes, mostly.

 

[Niastri]

We have different definitions of create shots. As I said, as a shooter he needs some creativity, a jab, a step back, shot off the dribble, etc. He does not need to drive. He was a nonfactor because he needed ideal conditions to get his shot off.

I assume you're still taking about Bell? If so, watch the highlight posted here again. He actually has a couple good dribble to shoot moves in his arsenal.

He can dribble around a screen and pop, he can pump fake dribble and pull up, and he can do some turnarounds. He hasn't shown he can drive off a set play or ever drive all the way to the basket except on a clear line to the basket. But he has moves that can get him an opening.

No doubt, his best skill is catch and shoot, but his limitations on offense are being overstated a bit.

He needs more consistency on getting his shot, but he's pretty good.

It was the rest of his game that kept him from more minutes.

Hopefully, his problems with defensive intensity were either coaching or scheme related, and the change will invigorate him in defense and rebounding.

There are others on the team who will push for his minutes otherwise.

For ease, I here is the highlight I'm referring to.

 

[AlaskaSU]

No, I was not talking about Bell. In general, our backcourt and center were good enough. I agree that Bell has upside.

 

[newmexicuse]

I assume you're still taking about Bell? If so, watch the highlight posted here again. He actually has a couple good dribble to shoot moves in his arsenal.

He can dribble around a screen and pop, he can pump fake dribble and pull up, and he can do some turnarounds. He hasn't shown he can drive off a set play or ever drive all the way to the basket except on a clear line to the basket. But he has moves that can get him an opening.

No doubt, his best skill is catch and shoot, but his limitations on offense are being overstated a bit.

He needs more consistency on getting his shot, but he's pretty good.

It was the rest of his game that kept him from more minutes.

Hopefully, his problems with defensive intensity were either coaching or scheme related, and the change will invigorate him in defense and rebounding.

There are others on the team who will push for his minutes otherwise.

For ease, I here is the highlight I'm referring to.

Chris is probably our best pure shooter. Stroke is very smooth.

I dont see the dribble and finishing skills to get to the hole consistently. but I like his pullup J.

I think Red will play with a fast intense style. Chris will need to step up his intensity under the glass and on D if he wants starter minutes; otherwise, Red will roll with hot hands.

My wildcard player is Cope. If he can hit over 30% from trey land and cut back on TOs he could get a lot of PT.

 

[bballbeadle]

Q is definitely a point forward or point wing for sure. That said the rules of who you initiate the offense through and who brings up the ball have completely changed at all levels. The five positions on the court to me are reaching a point where they need new titles.

Good! I’ve never understood the position of forward anyway. I am an ignoramus who loves basketball! Back in my day girls weren’t allowed to play sports, so I imagine that if I had actually played I may have understood those positions. I am pretty sure Cherie played, which explains her great basketball wisdom, but she’s also around my age (perhaps) so I’m not sure how she managed this.

But I digress . . .