Cooney

[Alsacs]

Some people think Richardson is going in the first round this year.

I follow the NBA so I can say that hasn't been me. I said if he stays 3 years he could become Wes Johnson.

He isn't leaving this year. I cut him slack he is a Freshman. Cooney is a 5th year Senior. He should have way higher standards than a Freshman.

Cooney plays too much. JB has to own the lack of quality guards on this team. Honest to God I could write the scouting report on Trevor Cooney to keep him under 10 points in a game.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I follow the NBA so I can say that hasn't been me. I said if he stays 3 years he could become Wes Johnson.

He isn't leaving this year. I cut him slack he is a Freshman. Cooney is a 5th year Senior. He should have way higher standards than a Freshman.

Cooney plays too much. JB has to own the lack of quality guards on this team. Honest to God I could write the scouting report on Trevor Cooney to keep him under 10 points in a game.

I didn't say you said it, but other people think that.

Wes Johnson, eh they play different positions. He's not as good defensively.

Yeah he probably does play too much, our other guards stink though.

Maybe you should be coaching BC. Just messing with you buddy.

We have different opinions. I just think this fan base's brain has gone to mush regarding Cooney, and Hopkins also to a degree. Nobody says he's JJ Redick. Most people think hes there to shoot threes, and he has at a 36 percent clip. He's been better this year even if you disagree with me. I know everyones frustrated that we stink, but it's cause we don't have a PG or Center. That's what kills this team.

 

[Alsacs]

This was posted earlier and illustrates what I am saying. You can disagree with me and point at other stats, but the numbers below are rationale for my statement on playing to potential.

Since the ACC Season started:

Malachi is contributing 120 points per 100 possessions.
Cooney is contributing 113.
Gbinije is contributing 83! Thats the worst out of everyone who plays besides Coleman.

I know MG has to play point, etc. etc. but we won't be successful with him playing at that level. If he was at Cooney's level, we'd not be 0-3.

All I can say is wow. I mean who do you think opposing teams put more attention towards G or Cooney?
G has been poor but Cooney hasn't exactly been good.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

I follow the NBA so I can say that hasn't been me. I said if he stays 3 years he could become Wes Johnson.

He isn't leaving this year. I cut him slack he is a Freshman. Cooney is a 5th year Senior. He should have way higher standards than a Freshman.

Cooney plays too much. JB has to own the lack of quality guards on this team. Honest to God I could write the scouting report on Trevor Cooney to keep him under 10 points in a game.

I just can't help myself...My scouting report to limit MG...FOUL HIM

We are all on the same team...this has been a great discussion.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I just can't help myself...My scouting report to limit MG...FOUL HIM

We are all on the same team...this has been a great discussion.

Honestly, if I was coaching an opposing team, I think hack a G would be a concept I would use at end of games against us.

 

[Alsacs]

I didn't say you said it, but other people think that.

Wes Johnson, eh they play different positions. He's not as good defensively.

Yeah he probably does play too much, our other guards stink though.

Maybe you should be coaching BC. Just messing with you buddy.

We have different opinions. I just think this fan base's brain has gone to mush regarding Cooney, and Hopkins also to a degree. Nobody says he's JJ Redick. Most people think hes there to shoot threes, and he has at a 36 percent clip. He's been better this year even if you disagree with me. I know everyones frustrated that we stink, but it's cause we don't have a PG or Center. That's what kills this team.

You are fair I got no problem with differences in opinions.
I can tell you though I could write the scouting report easily because it is the same for 3 years now.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

All I can say is wow. I mean who do you think opposing teams put more attention towards G or Cooney?
G has been poor but Cooney hasn't exactly been good.

G then Cooney in that order.

 

[Fly Rodder]

BTW if Cooney is having a bad year, Richardson has been worse. He's giving us less points per 100 possessions.

That awful St. John's games really drags him down. Just a terrible combination of too many shots and very few makes. He still went 7/10 on FTs though. Take that game out and his numbers look much better. Also Richardson is a true freshman playing out of position and Cooney is a 5th senior with three two seasons of starting under his belt. He should be playing much better than Richardson.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Honestly, if I was coaching an opposing team, I think hack a G would be a concept I would use at end of games against us.

Absolutely. Clemson was trying. And you can bet your house that if SU fouled Clemson on that last posession, they would have fouled G the second he touched the ball on the comeback.

 

[Nicknack]

What has occurred on this forum is that we have people who turn a blind eye to the bad plays and a recent group that seems to have written TC off as on-balance being a liability and not an asset.

Then there's the "Everything is Boeheim's Fault" crowd which echoes the military idea that it's all the commander's fault regardless. I understand the need for that in the military as they have to assign responsibility in order to make the engine go.

You left out the mutts, which is the group in which I have affiliation. The group that sees a little fault to go around to everyone.

Cooney is frustrating to watch a lot of the time. For a 3-pt specialist, he is wildly inconsistent and while I like that he takes the ball to the hoop, he rarely finishes. G is a tremendous talent who, as we all know, is playing out of position and his play suffers as a result. It also impacts the entire team because we lack a true PG who can facilitate. Yeah, G's play has been down the past three games but I expect he will play much better moving forward. Boeheim (and Hop to a certain degree) should have played Howard more, when he was healthy, to further develop his skills and confidence. There were many opportunities earlier in the year where he should have been on the floor (perhaps with Cooney resting).

This G as the PG experiment doesn't seem to be working. To watch us continue to go to it game after game is frustrating. The basketball Gods also share some blame here. Sometimes recruits just don't turn out as you hope (this where Joseph makes his entrance). I feel for Kaleb because he seems like a real good kid and last year appears to have crushed his confidence despite what he said during the summer. He just wasn't ready last year and may never be ready at this level. Ennis (yeah, you aren't safe from blame either) caused a lot of disruption for our team and Boeheim's plans. I don't truly blame him, more so the 25-0 facade that helped him to gain more attention than what I believe he would have gotten had he stayed - it was a no-brainer to leave, but it still hurts.

Don't get me started on the Diagne issue, the NCAA, Roberson's inconsistent play, etc. So much blame to go around.

 

[rrlbees]

He has been our worst guard since Josh Wright

OK then.

 

[Alsacs]

OK then.

Do you think I take pleasure in writing that? I don't it is called having an opinion. I studied the numbers of all our guards before making that comment. I think Cooney tries hard but what guard have we had the past decade who has played a significant amount of minutes that Cooney is better than?

I think Cooney is a role player who out of need has had to play way too much. Please tell me who has been worse? The only guard close has been Mookie Jones and he didn't anywhere close to the amount of playing time Cooney has nor did he ever start a game. This season has more minutes played than Mookie did in his career.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I'm checking out of this thread. I think there's been some good posts in here about the team as a whole, but it's unfortunate that they're in a Cooney titled thread.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Conference stats to date. Please tell me where our most pressing problems lie and where we need players to step up? Bad choices for goats - if one must have a goat to beat up.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/acc/2016.html

 

[Millhouse]

That awful St. John's games really drags him down. Just a terrible combination of too many shots and very few makes. He still went 7/10 on FTs though. Take that game out and his numbers look much better. Also Richardson is a true freshman playing out of position and Cooney is a 5th senior with three two seasons of starting under his belt. He should be playing much better than Richardson.

He's 37% from 3 in the non SJU games. It's encouraging. 13 for 29 since then. That weird outlier will fade away in importance over time. That was a very odd circumstance

 

[realorange]

My numbed mind from this thread tells me we may have just gone over the number of "let's kick Triche" responses. :bang:

 

[tbonezone]

i suppose the only bright side to 40 minutes a game is that we don't have to worry about cooney returning with a clipboard to join the other boeheim draftnots on the sidelines next season. he's likely forgotten where the bench is.

(as a caveat i'll give Gmac and AA credit for repaying us their extensive minutes with BE 1st team all conference status)

 

[CuseFaninVT]

My numbed mind from this thread tells me we may have just gone over the number of "let's kick Triche" responses. :bang:

As an ardent Triche supporter, that makes me feel a bit better.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I was told in previous years if he had other people around him that could hit 3s, he'd be open more.

Is that not true anymore? Why is he still unable to get open looks?

No shooters anyone is afraid of.

 

[djcon57]

No shooters anyone is afraid of.

Right...including Cooney

 

[Cusefan0307]

No shooters anyone is afraid of.

We shoot a higher percentage from three than UNC by a good margin, yet shooting is the problem.

We get blasted inside every game, but that's not the reason we aren't any good.

Please.

 

[djcon57]

We shoot a higher percentage from three than UNC by a good margin, yet shooting is the problem.

We get blasted inside every game, but that's not the reason we aren't any good.

Please.

Every one of your posts is a strawman.

You argue things that no one said. This is a post about Cooney. If you'd like to make a post about the horrible interior defense, make it...and I'll join in and say. HEY! I AGREE!

 

[JeremyCuse]

Look theres no point in constantly debating this, Cooney is what he is. A decent guard who is a streaky shooter who was overhyped as a great shooter coming in by the fanbase and the media. The main issue with Cooney is that hes not clutch player. That last shot on Tuesday pretty much summed up the issues he has had in his career here. I don't think anyone faults him for missing a shot but your 5th year senior "sharpshooting" guard on a look where there is literally no defender around has to at least put that shot up on the rim, to barely draw iron was embarrassing.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Every one of your posts is a strawman.

You argue things that no one said.

Did he not just say we had no shooters anyone is afraid of?

That's the only thing opposing teams are afraid of. ok.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Look theres no point in constantly debating this, Cooney is what he is. A decent guard who is a streaky shooter who was overhyped as a great shooter coming in by the fanbase and the media. The main issue with Cooney is that hes not clutch player. That last shot on Tuesday pretty much summed up the issues he has had in his career here. I don't think anyone faults him for missing a shot but your 5th year senior "sharpshooting" guard on a look where there is literally no defender around has to at least put that shot up on the rim, to barely draw iron was embarrassing.

To who? You? People were screaming at him leaving the court the other night like he was the reason we lost. That was embarrassing more than anything. People got in fights in the stands over this. That's embarrassing.

I'm going to continue to beat the dead horse and be a Cooney "defender" as long as people continuously blame him for all our problems, when he's far from it this year.

I expect our best player (Gbinije) to produce more.

And frankly I expect better by members of the media.