Well, are we taking age out of play or just the best coach? Because Bill Self has been to the final 8 or better 9x in the last 20 years. His stupid statement yesterday not withstanding. With 2 National championships.
It pains me to say this, but Danny Hurley is the best coach in CBB right now
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Until Hurley gets caught cheating I put him above Self. Personal opinion.
That is fair. But you can't knock his level of success. 9 elite 8's or better in 20 years is amazing. By the way, I don't know if you were here to see it but the video the legend of toupee Bill is hysterical. Google it.
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Think you’re grading Bill on a curve here. Yeah, he won in 22, but the 08 chip is a lifetime ago. He’s had a great career, but his arc is descending, while Hurley is on the way up. Building a team today, you absolutely choose Hurley.
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You can make an argument for him or Scott Drew. Tony B has had a rough few years. I agree with Newhouser that until Hurley gets caught cheating he would be my number 1. Starting a team including age then Hurley is a no brainer.
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Can you even cheat anymore?
Imagine having Geno, Calhoun, and Bob Hurley Sr as coaching mentors? And, Hurley built the program slowly and he didn't run off players in the beginning and focused on building culture. That is why we have to be patient with Red and let him build the team and culture. And, do you realize that they played 9 games in NYC this year vs 0 for Syracuse? Syracuse needs to play 1 to 2 games at MSG every year.
Yeah, he won in '22 When Hurley can have a run like Self has had, I will give him that type of credit. I think he will blow up before that however. He just won his first league title at UConn. Let's give this time to breathe. I suspect they will come back to the pack next year. They hit home runs in the portal this year. That is not easy to do. Let's see next year.
They got one player from the portal this year, Cam Spencer from Rutgers and lost one Naheim Alleyne to St. John's. Newton and Diarra were transfers 2 years ago. I think they are finding the balance between portal, development, and freshmen. The key is how to you keep and develop the prospects on your bench.
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Key section of that article:Lengthy article but it provides a nice sense of the offensive scheme Hurley has put in place.
And a little more about him and his personality.
No iso-ball.
Perhaps something the Orange need to shake.
Dan Hurley's desire to adapt helped UConn evolve into an offensive juggernaut | FOX Sports
Two years ago, UConn coach Dan Hurley made a commitment to embracing offense with NCAA Tournament success in mind. Michael Cohen explains how Hurley's desire to adapt has helped transform UConn into an offensive juggernaut.www.foxsports.com
Hurley and his assistants envisioned a movement-based offense that emphasized off-ball screening over isolation plays or traditional pick and rolls. They dreamed of a roster stuffed with high-level passers, shooters and "game processors" who could operate a system culled largely from overseas concepts. Change arrived in the form of a four-pronged plan that would touch nearly every corner of the program: from rewriting the core offensive principles to revising the player profiles used in recruiting; from reconfiguring the coaching staff's study habits to rearranging the way practice time was apportioned.
"I feel like there's less pressure on you as a coach when you can win a game in non-rock fight fashion," Hurley said. "When you can go on runs, it's more fun, and it's less pressure to get a stop. I think you coach more relaxed.”
It's not hard to envision that offense is easier with willing passes. The hard part is finding them in an AAU culture. I'm still most impressed with the passion they play with every game from the jump. Motivated players.
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If GMac takes the Siena job, we need to find an offensive mastermind assistant who can get us playing cutting-edge modern basketball, like Luke Murray has at UConn and that Hurley embraced.
I have no doubt that Red can get this program turned around and we can start making NCAA tourneys again and competing for top 4 finishes in the ACC. But that shouldn’t be enough. We want to win national titles at Syracuse again, just like UConn. That should be the goal. And there’s no reason we can’t if Red commits to making this an elite program that embraces offensive innovation and defensive toughness, and we recruit smart, talented players that can shoot, pass and are fundamentally sound and will commit to playing defense with intensity and focus.
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The article talks about how much of a key Karaban has been to their success.
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I feel like you are taking my comments totally out of context. I never claimed many of the things you are implying I did. Self admittedly sometimes I can ramble and things become unclear , but I can tell you for sure, my whole point was not to cherry pick a bad period to put down the great overall run of UConn.
I never claimed that the overall stretch was not great or to be admired, or that this entire run was based on luck. In fact I never even addressed one single thing prior to 2011. which makes sense since why in this quickly changing college basketball world would we want to follow a "model" of 12 to 30 years ago - of any program!.
They have been a great and outstanding program overall since 1990 with results. They have had great teams in 2023-2024, and a number of great teams from as early 1990-2011. Heck those teams from 1990-2011 could have won more than 2 national titles. But given how basketball has changed so much I don't think we should "follow" how teams were built 15 to 30 years ago. Not only for UConn, but Syracuse or anybody.
There were 2 specific reasons I brought up the very modest period from 2012-2021. (none of which was downgrading there run since 1990)
1) As a means to praise Danny Hurley to support the OP's claim , that this is team is no longer in their lucky phase. They are now without a doubt a dominant team like some of the teams they had before (1999, 2002, 2006). That modest period of 2012-2021 didn't have any great teams, and they needed breaks to win that 2014 title. Hurley didn't inherit anything special - he inherited a team that had been middling for about 7 years, and would for a few more, despite the title. He has developed this program from a modest situation and developed the most dominant UConn teams since arguably 2006.
There is plenty of stuff we could try to learn from how Danny Hurley has turned UConn around. We should absolutely figure out what the hell they are doing right now, to change things around, and acknowledge they are great right now.
2) It was also in regard to the specific comment I was replying to, that said we should look at UConn's history as something to follow. And really what I was getting at, was other than the Hurley era, there is not much to follow. As I said above there is not much you can learn form anybody pre 2010 - college basketball has changed too much. But there is also not much we can productively learn from UConn's 2012-2020 era either even with the National Title. We can't aspire to be a team to be a 7,7.9 seed. Since then, or if you want to start with the date Danny Hurley was hired (2018) then there is lots to try to follow. That is what we aspire to.
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In the last two weeks, Hurley has got in to it with rival fan bases. Somewhere along the line, something bad is going to happen with him.
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Or, as he ages, he’ll mellow at. Especially after he wins another trophy.
I don't think so. Did Knight mellow? You don't encourage fans to come down and fight you as he did after winning at Providence.
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You’re thinking short term. Could also be behavior he uses to motivate his team.
Yep, Basketball is fine for them. Not being in a P5 has ruined any hope they ever had for football. It's too bad men's basketball is my favorite sport because we are far better than them in everything else. Two lax titles by the Cuse this year and a vastly improved Cuse football team will take some of the sting off.
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They correctly recognized that they never had any hope in football. Hence the move back to the Big East.
I’m sure they’ll be devastated if we win titles in a sport they don’t play.
Not the best coach IMO but he is doing a good job and he has a chance. These things go in cycles, no more dynasties like UCLA but if he gets two in a row he will be a HOFer most likely.
