JB's Presser after Carleton

[bnoro]

Love these guys talking out both sides of their mouth. The hypocrisy is rich.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Works for whom?

Well. it looks like it's working for the great majority of the people. Millions are entertained. Schools are reaping huge amounts of money that they plow back into all sort of programs. Athletes are getting free college educations and now spending money and a chance to audition and train to be multi-millionaires. Chevrolet gets to show potential customers its fleet of SUV's ad nauseum.

No other country has anything like college sports.

The NCAA tries mightily to keep the whole thing honest and to keep things as even as they can through thicket of rules.

Now some politicians want to help. What could possible go wrong?

I thought you were against socialism. Sounds a lot like wealth redistribution right there what you explained.

 

[Townie72]

I thought you were against socialism. Sounds a lot like wealth redistribution right there what you explained.

Lots of people making lots of money is not "income redistribution" at least not where I went to school. (Maxwell at SU)
Walter Sobchak, "You are out of your depth, Donny."

 

[Townie72]

Love these guys talking out both sides of their mouth. The hypocrisy is rich.

It's a clever trick, that I used myself many times working for large corporations.

Why argue with something when you know it's fatally flawed. Just point out the problems as questions. That way when the thing doesn't work you can say that your support was conditional.

Tell me how the NCAA is going to manage or prevent this huge disparity among players on the same team?

 

[HOFCeluck]

Silly boomers would pee their pants if they had to spend a week in my job.

By which I mean posting snarky takes on the internet.

 

[81South]

I personally dont care who gets paid what. I simply want us to have a good basketball team so that I can be entertained and come on here and talk some hoops. Winters are to depressing when we suck.

 

[Townie72]

Silly boomers would pee their pants if they had to spend a week in my job.

By which I mean posting snarky takes on the internet.

It's a hard job, but someone has to do it.

 

[tbonezone]

nice blouse. JB i know a tailor currently studying at the university who might take things in a notch. text me.
i do agree with the coach about paying players. you let that genie out of the bottle say goodbye to amateur athletics. money corrupts and the system will be rigged and manipulated to benefit very few players.

 

[longtimefan]

Works for whom?

Well. it looks like it's working for the great majority of the people. Millions are entertained. Schools are reaping huge amounts of money that they plow back into all sort of programs. Athletes are getting free college educations and now spending money and a chance to audition and train to be multi-millionaires. Chevrolet gets to show potential customers its fleet of SUV's ad nauseum.

No other country has anything like college sports.

The NCAA tries mightily to keep the whole thing honest and to keep things as even as they can through thicket of rules.

Now some politicians want to help. What could possible go wrong?

I guess I need to clarify. I was not referring to the specific of the current NCAA system; rather, the broad generalization of the Sowell quotation. Works for whom? Strom Thurmond? Fred Trump? We could all come up with a list.

 

[Townie72]

I guess I need to clarify. I was not referring to the specific of the current NCAA system; rather, the broad generalization of the Sowell quotation. Works for whom? Strom Thurmond? Fred Trump? We could all come up with a list.

The "broad generalization" of the Sowell quote? Oh, please. Is this where you search for something that sounded good but also actually worked?

Things don't have to be true in every case to be generally true. The "War on Poverty" springs to mind. How did that work out?

 

[OrangeDW]

nice blouse.

It wasn’t funny the first time you said it. And it’s not funny the 95th time you said it.

 

[Ghost]

I was hoping for more commentary on what a lovely place Ottawa is.

 

[Townie72]

"The scholarhips should be taxable then!" is the quintessential boomer take.

Once you cross the line to "professional", it all ought to be taxable.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Once the schools start using "professional" athletes, then why isn't the revenue from games, TV, clothing licenses also taxable?

Its a question of basic fairness. If we have to pay taxes based on our incomes, why shouldn't they?

Everyone in America knows --- or ought to know --- that there is very little "educational value or component" in big time sports. Its a charade. But we are all complicit in turning a blind eye to it. It's border-line ridiculous all the revenue isn't taxable now.

Keep pushing the envelope and eventually the tax man will cometh.

 

[Townie72]

I still don't why the NCAA can't regulate, (as opposed to banning), endorsement compensation. Just have a set rate for doing commercials so a Kentucky booster doesn't pay $100,000 for it. And they could say that half the money should go back to the school and help pay for the scholarships and stipends other athletes get.

As to quarterbacks getting more and better deals than linemen, doesn't that happen in the pros? Does that tear apart those teams?

Whaattt? I don't think your plan gets within miles of what can be done legally. This is a contract between the athlete and whoever is using the image. It's none of the business of the NCAA or the schools.

If a kid gets a summer job, can the NCAA tell the kid how much money he can make or demand a part of his salary to pay for the scholarships of others?

Can you give me any examples of similar situations where an organization can control and monitor and control these kind of activities by individuals?

If you wrote book and started to sell it, could your employer demand a cut or tell you how much you could charge? (Assuming you didn't do this on company time.)

And this isn't about pro QBs getting more than linemen. This is about a few kids on the team getting $50,000 and others getting nothing.

 

[SWC75]

Whaattt? I don't think your plan gets within miles of what can be done legally. This is a contract between the athlete and whoever is using the image. It's none of the business of the NCAA or the schools.

If a kid gets a summer job, can the NCAA tell the kid how much money he can make or demand a part of his salary to pay for the scholarships of others?

Can you give me any examples of similar situations where an organization can control and monitor and control these kind of activities by individuals?

If you wrote book and started to sell it, could your employer demand a cut or tell you how much you could charge? (Assuming you didn't do this on company time.)

And this isn't about pro QBs getting more than linemen. This is about a few kids on the team getting $50,000 and others getting nothing.

The example I can give is the NCAA itself, which has been regulating what players, schools and boosters can and can't do for years. Maybe they are about to find out that that era is over. But my suggestion would be a compromise that would resolve the concerns discussed here. Maybe it would satisfy the states that are passing these laws.

 

[rocklloyd]

It's a clever trick, that I used myself many times working for large corporations.

Why argue with something when you know it's fatally flawed. Just point out the problems as questions. That way when the thing doesn't work you can say that your support was conditional.

Tell me how the NCAA is going to manage or prevent this huge disparity among players on the same team?

That’s execu-speak 101. I know it well

 

[MadNY3]

i thought he was very coherent on paying players. Like some others here he doesn’t think it’s a good idea. He’s all for getting players more money but not in this manner. He hopes he’s wrong but he sees kids coming in and getting as much as $100k for a commercial. He also inverted quite a bit. He’s dead on with his fears.

This is legit.

l am a Syracuse booster. I have a marketing Agency that does commercials. This could kick open a door so wide open that we could see a new weirdness in (ad) campaign promises.

The NCAA doesn’t know how to police amateurism, let alone a professionalized version of it.

 

[Arangeman]

Does this mean players can get involved with agents, marketing agencies, etc? Coach, this is Joe Girard. This is Mr. Girard. And this is his brand team.

We are going to need to step up the SUAD marketing dept. Joe, how would you like to be the new face of Hoffman’s Hot Dogs? Come to Cuse

 

[Newhouser]

he is right. And I talked about this exact problem with you when the discussion about paying players for their likeness came up before. It is a great idea until you try to implement it. I can see Kentucky and Kansas and Duke getting boosters to pay big money for a "commercial" for their best players. JB sees the same thing. And down the road, when this becomes a fiasco, JB will be glad he is on the record saying it.

True but in a sense isn't that what is already happening now? just adding a :"commercial"?

 

[Newhouser]

Agree with this - and it won't just be Kentucky, Kansas and Duke whose boosters will be paying players for use of their "likenesses." In 2018, assistant coaches at Arizona, Auburn, Louisville, Miami, Oklahoma State, Seton Hall, South Carolina, USC and several other schools were implicated in various ways in schemes to funnel money to basketball recruits. You know those schools and many others will figure out ways to use boosters to pay players and recruits for use of their likenesses. Under this proposal, the skeeziness that most people see as distasteful, would become widespread.

Maybe, but IMHO once the sleazy gets put out in the open it becomes less distasteful, and people move on. Why? Because those opposed are free to drop the moral facade and admit to themselves that this is how the system has been functioning forever, now we just know about it. Similar to sports betting and mariujana.

 

[Newhouser]

I personally dont care who gets paid what. I simply want us to have a good basketball team so that I can be entertained and come on here and talk some hoops. Winters are to depressing when we suck.

and that is the heart of the issue - all this chatter on both sides and the truth is the only thing that matters is most of us think this will make it harder for us to be good.

 

[Townie72]

The example I can give is the NCAA itself, which has been regulating what players, schools and boosters can and can't do for years. Maybe they are about to find out that that era is over. But my suggestion would be a compromise that would resolve the concerns discussed here. Maybe it would satisfy the states that are passing these laws.

Oh, I appreciate your sentiment. You’re saying there must be some way to regulate this. I’m not a lawyer, but I have had enough Business Law training to know that there’s a very important red line that is crossed once you stop prohibiting something completely and the start trying to regulate it.

Especially in the realm of contracts. Imagine if the NCAA started to regulate how much and how coaches are compensated or whether or not they can have Camps or if they can serve as “consultants” to sneaker companies.

The States that are passing these laws have no idea what the issues or impacts are going to be. These politicians have said so. Like you, they are hoping someone figures it out.

 

[dollarbill44]

and that is the heart of the issue - all this chatter on both sides and the truth is the only thing that matters is most of us think this will make it harder for us to be good.

I think for many of us it goes beyond the issue of SU being able to compete. It's potentially a much bigger issue than just commercials and video game royalties (which would definitely really only pay off for a few features players). There are too many unknowns for anyone to be able to predict with certainty what will be the long term implications. There are many ways this can go with much of it being bad for college sports as we know them currently.
As Townie alluded to, the IRS is going to be very interested in how this develops and I can envision this ultimately leading to universities and colleges having to choose between being a non-profit organization or getting rid of revenue sports (and the implications of that to non-revenue sports) so that football and basketball end up like baseball and hockey with minor league systems taking most of the top talent. If you're a fan of college baseball and college hockey, you may not care, though I suspect most people do.
I'm not sure football can sustain a minor league system, however, so what will that ultimately mean for the NFL (e-gaming)?
This isn't going to take place in a vacuum.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Oh, I appreciate your sentiment. You’re saying there must be some way to regulate this. I’m not a lawyer, but I have had enough Business Law training to know that there’s a very important red line that is crossed once you stop prohibiting something completely and the start trying to regulate it.

Especially in the realm of contracts. Imagine if the NCAA started to regulate how much and how coaches are compensated or whether or not they can have Camps or if they can serve as “consultants” to sneaker companies.

The States that are passing these laws have no idea what the issues or impacts are going to be. These politicians have said so. Like you, they are hoping someone figures it out.

This country isn't good at prohibiting anything.

 

[PhatOrange]

I see rinky dink schools becoming major players here to. Lots of money to go around it won’t be just your blue bloods.

Can’t imagine though the schools with stupid money like oil and gas. Texas, Kentucky etc. billionaire boosters, the bags will just get bigger for inane stuff. Promote our natural gas wells here’s 200k.

Couldn’t there be a salary cap? But then won’t there also be a union and collective bargaining ?