Lester on his Offense

[LSUBahrain]

Rrod doesn't exactly recruit defense and saying kids were recruited specifically for the 3-5 is a reach. Their defensive classes weren't anything to write home about either. But talent aside, the big problem for both of them is that the 3-5 does not work in the B10. And neither had ever coached it. My original point was the poster making an excuse for Shafer cause he had to coach the 3-5 then said the opposite for Grob. It's apples to apples.

RRods' problem at Michigan is that his defensive coordinator stayed at WVU, and he's (IMO) the most under rated defensive coordinator in the country. When RRod went to Arizona, they reunited. I believe, had Jeff Casteel gone to Michigan with Rich Rod, he would still be coaching there and be successful.

 

[JrodCuse]

I feel like this belongs here now.

 

[Alsacs]

I feel like this belongs here now.

Yeah because this belongs. What. How about you give an opinion instead of posting this. This type of post is what drives me crazy. Everything I have said in this thread has been fair and not crazy. However, because some people want to attract cheap likes they post this stuff to get them.

Bravo, jumping in at the end saying nothing, and looking down on what you disagree with. Please tell me why we are all dumber? Because I and some are skeptical of an offensive that scored 19 TDs in 12 games? Instead, everyone should take the position last year or 2013 never happened. That just because we have scored 30 points 2 game out of 21 games against P5 competition the last 2 years didn't happen. That our offensive performance in the last 5 games in 2014 was the worst by a P5 team in the last 10 years. That comparing our upcoming offense to type of offense Gerg brought in 2005 isn't what he said, or a power run game depend on one of the top NFL RBs isn't what he said?

We are all dumber though. This is the summer time and not in-season.

 

[CuseOnly]

Yeah because this belongs. What. How about you give an opinion instead of posting this. This type of post is what drives me crazy. Everything I have said in this thread has been fair and not crazy. However, because some people want to attract cheap likes they post this stuff to get them.

Bravo, jumping in at the end saying nothing, and looking down on what you disagree with. Please tell me why we are all dumber? Because I and some are skeptical of an offensive that scored 19 TDs in 12 games? Instead, everyone should take the position last year or 2013 never happened. That just because we have scored 30 points 2 game out of 21 games against P5 competition the last 2 years didn't happen. That our offensive performance in the last 5 games in 2014 was the worst by a P5 team in the last 10 years. That comparing our upcoming offense to type of offense Gerg brought in 2005 isn't what he said, or a power run game depend on one of the top NFL RBs isn't what he said?

We are all dumber though. This is the summer time and not in-season.

None of this has any bearing on next year's offense and also doesn't provide any insight into how next year's offense will perform.

Everything in this thread is supposition, conjecture and opinion based on our new OC's description of his style of offense which I think is purposely cryptic at best.

Everyone should step back from the ledge and wait and see. Give your opinion fine, but arguing over opinion based on what might possibly maybe could happen based on nothing is pretty dumb. Especially when you are basing your opinion on the past, knowing nothing of the future.

 

[Alsacs]

None of this has any bearing on next year's offense and also doesn't provide any insight into how next year's offense will perform.

Everything in this thread is supposition, conjecture and opinion based on our new OC's description of his style of offense which I think is purposely cryptic at best.

Everyone should step back from the ledge and wait and see. Give your opinion fine, but arguing over opinion based on what might possibly maybe could happen based on nothing is pretty dumb. Especially when you are basing your opinion on the past, knowing nothing of the future.

Fair enough. I can agree none of this has any bearing on next year's offense. Before the season starts everything is opinion I would say. I want to be optimistic, but am being honest in my assessment. If I am wrong I will be among the first to say I am wrong. I am consistent about that and don't my opinion matters anymore than somebody else who can articulate their points. If I am wrong I say I am wrong.

I just how hate people want to brand opinions they disagree with as crazy which is what goes on. This becomes an echo chamber when no healthy discourse happens. I don't say anything that is extreme. I may say stuff that isn't popular sometimes, but it is always fairly on point. Disagree with me all you want, but say why and we are all dumber. To anyone reading if you think this thread is dumb don't freaking the thread(not directed at you CuseOnly).

 

[anglerman]

The D was better than the O. Your analysis is fine, but I only made the point that the D was not great in context of nationally. It was good, but because it carried the team I was responding to the poster who was trying to make the narrative the defense was really good. When our D looks really good when you compare it to a poor offense.


I freaking hope the offense lights it up and I am a moron for doubting. I am just being a realist and not an idealist. I said 35 offensive TDs would be great and Crusty said that would still be bottom 1/3 in the ACC. However, atleast they would be almost doubling what we scored last year I would consider that successful.

As I said before Las Vegas has our O/U at 4.5 wins. They are saying we are a 4-8 or 5-7 team depending on 1 game in their analysis. I want to be optimistic but I trust Vegas opinion. I hope we win 6 games. I said in other threads I would give SS a 2 year extension with low guaranteed money.

However, if the narrative becomes anything beyond SS did a good job as DC I will call it out. As I said his job as DC was not going to get him a P5 HC job. He was hired to continue the momentum from the DM era and not to take 1 step back to take 2 steps forward.

You trust Vegas opinions???? You lost all credibility with that statement No one knows the future my friend no one. Most certainly Vegas doesn't. What a joke!

 

[anglerman]

Yeah because this belongs. What. How about you give an opinion instead of posting this. This type of post is what drives me crazy. Everything I have said in this thread has been fair and not crazy. However, because some people want to attract cheap likes they post this stuff to get them.

Bravo, jumping in at the end saying nothing, and looking down on what you disagree with. Please tell me why we are all dumber? Because I and some are skeptical of an offensive that scored 19 TDs in 12 games? Instead, everyone should take the position last year or 2013 never happened. That just because we have scored 30 points 2 game out of 21 games against P5 competition the last 2 years didn't happen. That our offensive performance in the last 5 games in 2014 was the worst by a P5 team in the last 10 years. That comparing our upcoming offense to type of offense Gerg brought in 2005 isn't what he said, or a power run game depend on one of the top NFL RBs isn't what he said?

We are all dumber though. This is the summer time and not in-season.

Hey Mr facts!! You need to just stop now!! You seem to be leaving out the FACTS that we were playing with a 4th string QB, the second string OL and the OC was fired mid season. Do Ya think that had something to do with the loss in production? Not to mention there were several WRs hurt as well. Please add this to your objectivity!!

 

[Alsacs]

You trust Vegas opinions???? You lost all credibility with that statement No one knows the future my friend no one. Most certainly Vegas doesn't. What a joke!

Is this a joke? I am serious. If you don't think the people in Las Vegas know what they are doing I am not sure I can say anymore.

I lose all creditability because I cite a neutral 3rd party and what they put as our O/U? Okay, I guess I am a joke then.

 

[rosconey]

Hey Mr facts!! You need to just stop now!! You seem to be leaving out the FACTS that we were playing with a 4th string QB, the second string OL and the OC was fired mid season. Do Ya think that had something to do with the loss in production? Not to mention there were several WRs hurt as well. Please add this to your objectivity!!

straight out of the " excuses 101 " handbook- you think no one else had injuries?

saw a team score with a wide reciever as qb because they were down to 5th string-

the fact is lester showed nothing as oc- nada zilch zippo

 

[anglerman]

Is this a joke? I am serious. If you don't think the people in Las Vegas know what they are doing I am not sure I can say anymore.

I lose all creditability because I cite a neutral 3rd party and what they put as our O/U? Okay, I guess I am a joke then.[/QUOTE
I guess we shouldn't watch the games this year because Vegas knows everything that's going to happen this year. They got it all down for sure. You're right what was I thinking stupid me.

 

[anglerman]

straight out of the " excuses 101 " handbook- you think no one else had injuries?

saw a team score with a wide reciever as qb because they were down to 5th string-

the fact is lester showed nothing as oc- nada zilch zippo

No one had those types of injuries I never said Lester was good. I don't know what Lester is capable of. I'm waiting to see. Im not judging anyone based on the circumstances that occurred last year running some one else's offense. I know hes run successful offenses in the past. I'm giving him a chance is all. Doesn't that make sense?

 

[CuseOnly]

Some opinions are crazy and some aren't...but that's just my opinion.

 

[Scooch]

Honestly I respect your opinion, but posts like this are nothing more than posts to get likes. Absolutely nothing is said. People can disagree with me all they want, but my opinions are not crazy undefinable positions. The fact that the bar is so damn low is a problem.

You take things very personally and I don't know why.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

straight out of the " excuses 101 " handbook- you think no one else had injuries?

saw a team score with a wide reciever as qb because they were down to 5th string-

the fact is lester showed nothing as oc- nada zilch zippo

The fact is that even though McDonald was replaced by Lester, the team continued to use McDonald's playbook for the rest of the season.

If you're claiming that McD's playbook showed you nothing, I don't think anyone will disagree with you.

I'm looking forward to see what Lester can accomplish with his own offense and 9 months to install it.

 

[rosconey]

when lester took over it was his job to tweak what was run to work better- only a totally incompetent fool would have continued to run a offense that didnt work-

you dont keep running what got the last guy fired- if you do why in the world make a change?

this excuse hold zero water

 

[TheCusian]

straight out of the " excuses 101 " handbook- you think no one else had injuries? saw a team score with a wide reciever as qb because they were down to 5th string- the fact is lester showed nothing as oc- nada zilch zippo

Look. You've gone on record saying that the second half is littered with excuses. I call them reasons or contributing factors - that's objectivity.

You really can't dog someone for seeing it that way. Proof will be this season when we're full strength (knock on wood), with the new system against our schedule. I don't expect it to be perfect - but I do have high expectations based on all of the contributing factors no longer being there.

 

[TheCusian]

when lester took over it was his job to tweak what was run to work better- only a totally incompetent fool would have continued to run a offense that didnt work- you dont keep running what got the last guy fired- if you do why in the world make a change? this excuse hold zero water

Only a fool puts in a while new offense with a freshman QB a week before playing the #1 team in the country.

Also - if the problem was equal parts system, talent, and playcalling - the switch should have helped with playcalling. But the first two were too much to overcome.

 

[Alsacs]

You take things very personally and I don't know why.

I don't take opinions that disagree with me personally. Like TheCusian and I disagree but I have no problem with him his points they aren't mine but they are all fair. I don't like it when people jump in and just want to call out this thread and say nothing.

I really don't care if everyone disagrees with me. I believe what I think and tend to be fair in my opinions. Disagreement is fine. I am a realist and don't like spin. I believe you what your record/resume says you are. I concede their are outliers and last year could be an outlier but until I see something that gives me reason to believe that I don't change my opinion.

This doesn't mean I take anything personally my words just come off strong and I guess that is my problem I got to try and fix.

 

[Alsacs]

Honestly I don't get your statement at all. I only gave the Las Vegas O/U as a barometer of expectations for 2015. Where do I give off the statement the season doesn't matter and their is no reason to watch. The LV O/U just tells you what they think we are it doesn't mean they are right but Vegas isn't in the business to just give away money they tend to know what the hell the are doing.

Vegas is saying 6-6 would be a great season. I would love to hear your over/under for Syracuse football wins in 2015?

 

[SUskibum]

Anyone who thinks you could install a new offense in between two games has likely never played a down of football in their life.

I also think people who are using the "facts" that the offense didn't get better under Lester and are negative on this year because of it are not giving enough weight to the fact that the only QB on the team that had ever taken a college snap was not available. Not to mention that the top 2 WR were also largely unavailable.

I don't pretend to have any idea how OCTL will work out but I can tell you I am confident that last years stint has absolutely no predictive value.

 

[supp]

The fact is that even though McDonald was replaced by Lester, the team continued to use McDonald's playbook for the rest of the season.

If you're claiming that McD's playbook showed you nothing, I don't think anyone will disagree with you.

I'm looking forward to see what Lester can accomplish with his own offense and 9 months to install it.

People keep using this as a defense of Lester for the team's disastrous offensive performance but it's not much of one. If Lester was just going through the motions over the last half of the season, that isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of his coaching and scheming abilities. Hard not to be skeptical.

 

[rosconey]

playbook is flawed - cost last guy his job- but danm it jim were gonna keep using it

yup thats the sign of a great coach-

 

[Scooch]

I don't take opinions that disagree with me personally. Like TheCusian and I disagree but I have no problem with him his points they aren't mine but they are all fair. I don't like it when people jump in and just want to call out this thread and say nothing. I really don't care if everyone disagrees with me. I believe what I think and tend to be fair in my opinions. Disagreement is fine. I am a realist and don't like spin. I believe you what your record/resume says you are. I concede their are outliers and last year could be an outlier but until I see something that gives me reason to believe that I don't change my opinion. This doesn't mean I take anything personally my words just come off strong and I guess that is my problem I got to try and fix.

My comment wasn't directed at you. It was directed at the past 15 pages of this thread that is arguing nothing, essentially.

Flush last season, everyone. Just flush it. We had crippling injuries and major coaching changes. I'm not optimistic for 2015, but not because of last season, rather because I've watched 15 years of largely mediocre (if not awful) SU football. But Hunt's a senior, Shafer has faith in his new OC, and people seem to think we have skill position talent. So we'll see.

But as I said a thousand posts ago, I think making judgements from some off season gobbledygook that Lester told the newspaper is a fool's errand. Most football caches can't articulate much of anything well. P couldn't talk his way out of a paper bag sometimes and he did just fine for a long time.

I'm not saying don't discuss this. But no one can win this debate. Not now.

 

[wfschrec]

My comment wasn't directed at you. It was directed at the past 15 pages of this thread that is arguing nothing, essentially.

Flush last season, everyone. Just flush it. We had crippling injuries and major coaching changes. I'm not optimistic for 2015, but not because of last season, rather because I've watched 15 years of largely mediocre (if not awful) SU football. But Hunt's a senior, Shafer has faith in his new OC, and people seem to think we have skill position talent. So we'll see.

But as I said a thousand posts ago, I think making judgements from some off season gobbledygook that Lester told the newspaper is a fool's errand. Most football caches can't articulate much of anything well. P couldn't talk his way out of a paper bag sometimes and he did just fine for a long time.

I'm not saying don't discuss this. But no one can win this debate. Not now.

For the love of God ... this ^^^^^^ This people this ^^^^^

 

[anomander]

You trust Vegas opinions???? You lost all credibility with that statement No one knows the future my friend no one. Most certainly Vegas doesn't. What a joke!

Are you serious? Do you think all those huge casinos built themselves? My man you are dead wrong hahah wow.