Rumor mill

[CusefanATL]

along with the new hotels that we have. A new stadium would provide the press area and technology needed...be incredible if it were to happen.

I believe I read an article a few years ago that called the rule that the ncaa modified to require all final 4 sites seat 40k (up from the 30k that went into affect in 1997 after the meadowlands the "keep the final 4 out of syracuse, ny" rule.

There is also a chance I made this up in my head, but thats a pretty specific memory of mine.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Well, despite what Mitt Romney (and the Supreme Court) think, individual humans and corporate entities are different.

One should read the case and understand the differences before just spouting occupy clap trap.

 

[KellySyracuse]

I believe I read an article a few years ago that called the rule that the ncaa modified to require all final 4 sites seat 40k (up from the 30k that went into affect in 1997 after the meadowlands the "keep the final 4 out of syracuse, ny" rule.

There is also a chance I made this up in my head, but thats a pretty specific memory of mine.

no kidding?! I honestly had not read that one but wouldn't surprise me. I've always read that the press box was sorely lacking in size and technology needed to do the broadcast and that there weren't enough hotel rooms. With the new Hotel Syracuse, the new hotel on the harbor and all of the hotels scattered along the circle we might be able to compete. Would love to see it in my lifetime.

 

[Chip]

Should the Cliff Ensley Athletic Center keep his name for eternity? Or should SU disrespect Mr Ensley (and any other potential naming gift donor) by putting the naming rights up for bids a few years from now.

If only Cliff Ensley could get the return on his selfless gift that Carrier did on theirs.

 

[orangeinohio]

To go off what TexanMark said...I was told today that when the original stadium was built the campus was drivable and parking was plenty. The University is talking about adding 3 schools with one looking like the Med Center,the other two? They would also add parking capacity. They the sports teams has to Rent the stadium from the Dome's operating budget.


What does this last part mean? I figured the operating budget of the Dome is driven by attendance for sports teams. The Accounting of this is confusing.

 

[retro44]

What I tried to say is the sports team has to rent the Dome from the University is what I was told.

 

[CuseOnly]

Technically the dome is not part of the athletic department. The AD "rents" the stadium for games and practices, etc. This is the shell game. The Dome is considered a separate entity than the Athletic Department and it's profits are not figured into the Athletic budget.

 

[llandz]

Does potential final four site factor in at all? I know Syracuse needs a lot to justify it but a big new fancy stadium would go a long way...

They would need a couple of more "prestige" hotels in town. You need 4 hotels for each of the 4 teams.

 

[Cusefan0307]

A remodel makes the most sense. It can energize the football program, while preserving a lot of what makes the basketball program special. As far as the new schools SU wants to build it's going to be interesting to see where they are built. Is some of the land previously thought to be used for the stadium, now going to be used for academics? There's going to be lots of development the next ten years in the City coming along at the same time as the 81 rebuild.

 

[longtimefan]

One should read the case and understand the differences before just spouting occupy clap trap.

"The" case. There have been numerous cases down through the years.

I believe the expert on this is Chief Justice John Marshall. Check him out on the subject.

But, this was about the difference between the Carrier Dome and the Ensley Center, and whether there is a difference in the "naming rights".

 

[SUFan44]

Looking very much forward to the announcement - if, in fact, there is one - in the next two weeks.

Hopefully there will be a mock up available to the public, too.

 

[NJCuse97]

Someone up thread mentioned drainage, so I would imagine they'd need to rip up the new turf and install that on the floor? Seems like a helluva waste to have spent the time and money on the new field if they knew it'd be coming up in less than a year.

And the IPF was designed on a very tight $10 million budget to be "exactly" like the Dome. That means it is a flat field too. If the Dome were to crown the field (not an easy effort and it makes putting down a basketball court very hard) they would have to trash the IPF

 

[tipphill]

I lived in Bethle-Jam from 1996-2000 and that place was nearly identical to what Syracuse has become today. Beth Steel closed its mill in South Bethlehem in 1995 and South Bethlehem was a stuffe-hole.

As a Syracuse townie who went to an equally overpriced, albeit higher academically rated, NE private school (Lehigh) SU students dont know what stuffty townies are (granted, I'm referring to 15-20 years ago).

Bethlehem owes its renaissance to 2 changes - legalization of casinos/gambling by the PA governor and my alma mater gentrifying many of the blighted neighborhoods up to the river in South Bethlehem.

They turned the old steel mill into a Sands Casino but aside from historical Bethlehem (similar to nice neighborhoods in the city of Syracuse) that area hasn't improved all that much.

Roch & Buff have educational institutions with far less adversarial relationships to local govt than Cuse - that's my humble opinion as to why they've jumped on the Meds & Eds train faster than Syracuse.

Roch has more local universities than Cuse and Buffalo has a magnet for state funding in the form of UB. Syverud sounds like he wants to fast track SU to bringing more Meds & Ed stuff to Syracuse. That'll do exponentially more than TWO's corridor BS.

Edit - spell check turned shitey (dookie) into stuffy. Townies were the opposite of stuffy.

they did much more than the sands casino suggest you revisit the "steel mill" its an entertainment area with outdoor and indoor venues, grassey areas outdoor concerts all summer, pbs built a production facility down there and they are beginning the other phases ---google steel stacks---the casino is on the comlete other side of property which is separated by a bridge and hwy. apparently much more has changed since your day. the other side of bethlehem is syracuse's version of armory square with brick streets---the south side is just as you say---gentrified

 

[tipphill]

I think you just totally mis-comprehended what Capt. Tuttle said.

my apologies you are correct

 

[Scooch]

And the IPF was designed on a very tight $10 million budget to be "exactly" like the Dome. That means it is a flat field too. If the Dome were to crown the field (not an easy effort and it makes putting down a basketball court very hard) they would have to trash the IPF

Hadn't even thought about a crowned field. I have no idea if that's necessary. I would think not, since baseball fields in stadiums with retractable roofs aren't crowned. But a new drainage system absolutely would be necessary, so goodbye new Ernie Davis Legend'S Field.

 

[elimunelson]

All these rumors and smoke are good news for sure. I look at all these signals as new visions up on the hill w new people running the show. It all adds up to excitement for the program. I have all the same questions and concerns about the difficulties of accomplishing a rehab of the Dome but I have to think smarter people will figure them out. I have always been in awe of my alma mader having a dome on campus to begin with. If they could get that done in 1980 i think we can get some sort of rehab done that will make people proud of being alumni and fans of the school.

 

[Macky44]

I forgot UB had a team lol. Scratch Cornell play the games at UB. Bigger stadium and easy to get to. The Ralph makes zero sense. SU should never play there.

UB's stadium isnt that much bigger than Cornell. At least it never seemed it the times i have been to both.

 

[Macky44]

Personally I rather we play at Cornell but UB makes the most sense for the majority of our fans. Out of all the possibilities (Cornell, UB, Ralph Wilson, MetLife, Yankee Stadium, Michie Stadium) IMO Ralph Wilson is the worst choice. Having 25k fans in a 70k stadium kills home field advantage.

Cornell would be 25k in 25k stadium
UB would be 25k in a 30k stadium
The Ralph would be 25k in a 70k stadium
Metlife would be 25-40k in a 80k stadium (the extra people would be FSU or VA Tech fans for those games)
Yankee would be 25-40k in a 50k stadium
Michie would be 25k in a 38k stadium

How is the Ralph not the worst choice? UB is the best choice.

Why would UB be better than Cornell? Cornell is a 45 minute drive essentially from Syracuse. Buffalo is more than twice the distance.

 

[CuseLegacy]

All this retractable roof talk may me have one other wild hair thought about another Popolous project...

 

[Cusefan78]

Hadn't even thought about a crowned field. I have no idea if that's necessary. I would think not, since baseball fields in stadiums with retractable roofs aren't crowned. But a new drainage system absolutely would be necessary, so goodbye new Ernie Davis Legend'S Field.

Why would the field be tossed? The field is rolled out and can be rolled back up to be reused

 

[orangefog]

All this retractable roof talk may me have one other wild hair thought about another Popolous project...

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This looks like what I imagined, except being open between the columns, perhaps expanding seating and definitely add shopping, locker rooms or anything else they can imagine.

 

[Scooch]

Why would the field be tossed? The field is rolled out and can be rolled back up to be reused

Field turf, with all of that crushed rubber as its foundation, can be rolled up and redeployed easily? I thought it was down for good.

 

[orangefog]

Field turf, with all of that crushed rubber as its foundation, can be rolled up and redeployed easily? I thought it was down for good.

Hmmm...easily may not be a good word. It would seem that there would be a vacuum specifically made to suck up the pellets, perhaps salvaging them for re-use? I don't know though. It doesn't seem like the fields are meant to be taken up often, but don't the old fields get passed down and re-used in some cases?

 

[SUFan44]

Field turf, with all of that crushed rubber as its foundation, can be rolled up and redeployed easily? I thought it was down for good.

Not at all. FieldTurf, AstroTurf and any other turf can be rolled up and re-laid very easily. All of the rubber pellets are inserted after the install.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I believe SU covers the turf. They rolled up the artificial turf, but I think this field stays put, no?