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1/3 thru observations

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Tough to really get a handle on just how improved things really are.

By the eye test the offense is "better". They already have three more passing TD's than all of last year. 7th in TD% per attempt. That is really good. One thing apparent is that Lester is better organized and has a much better sense of what he wants to do. Through 4 games compared to last year the offensive stats are better in everything except for passing yds per game and completion percentage, which could be explained by the low number of attempts per game and the fact that the passing scheme is more vertical. In the redzone they have been much better

The run defense and overall play of the front seven has been impressive. In terms of big plays the defense has been better in sacks, TFL's, turnovers, and scoring plays. Hopefully the pass defense numbers are skewed a little by the fact that Wake and CMU are by far the two pass heaviest teams on the schedule. At the same time they are also 108th and 126th in rushing out of 127 teams, so that might cut the other way.

But in looking at the above you have to look at the context of who has been played so far. Swapping LSU at home vs ND at Met Life in comparing performance of the four games at home this year vs Nova at home, CMU and Wake on the road and ND neutral what has been accomplished is the same result against what should be an easier set up.

Last year the average score in those four games was SU 28 opponents 17. This year 33 to 20.

However when you take out the FCS game last year the average score was 28-14, this year 28-26 with all three games being at home vs all away from the dome last year. That is concerning.

The indications from looking at comparative scores is mixed as well. Against LSU SU did a little better than Auburn and a little worse than MSU. Against CMU it would be fair to assume that SU's performance would have been comparable to Mich St and Okie St. if Dungey doesn't get knocked out of the game. However against Wake it was a game into the 4th quarter against a team that only beat Army by three and lost to Indiana.

So far this team has shown that it can make big plays and winning plays on both sides of the ball, which is great, that's much better than not being able to do so. I'm just not sure you can get through a full season with this formula. I don't think they run enough plays and aren't good enough sustaining drives. They have been lit up for big yards by pass heavy teams and steamrolled by a run oriented team.

I think the ingredients are there but a great deal of improvement is still needed. The total offense ranking is 106th and total defense is 51st. That kind of combined ranking, and against the portion of the schedule that a 3-9 team went 3-1 against last year, translates more often than not int0 4 to 6 win season.
 
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I usually agree with you, but I disagree with alot of this.

If Dungey is playing against LSU, we could've won. We left so many huge opportunities/points on that field from the offensive side of things. We're playing a kid at QB who looks like he is in middle school and we still kept the score within 1 or 2 tds for the whole game. Hell, Shaf didn't even know his name a few months ago.

This team is more athletic, quick and younger than last year's squad. There will be more mistakes to come, but I really like the direction we're heading in, especially on offense. It's not a shootout every game, but I feel like Lester can put points on the board much easier than last year.

I thought your post is just a little too pessimistic, but time will tell. I am thinking this is a GREAT timing for a bye week. Get healed and healthy and then come out and punch USF in the mouth to get to 4-1.
 
Your being too analytical. Our team will be mostly healthy in two weeks and we have several players who have the "it factor" that nobody last year had. Lester is on a roll. I don't see us losing the next two. Louisville is reeling this year. That's 6 wins. Pitt and BC are both beatable.
 
Actually, I think we did a LOT better than Auburn, and a wee bit worse than MS State. In the LSU-Auburn game, all of the LSU running backs were able to rush for yards. We held all of LSU's RBs, sans Fournette, to minuscule yardage. You could claim that penalties were to blame for LSU's 268 yards rushing, but I could claim that discipline is a part of the game, and the penalties were a result of frustration on LSU's part. Our defense did a great job of getting into the backfield; we nailed Fournette at least twice behind the LOS. Don't think any other team did that this year, so far.

Also, good things with Mahoney. No, he's not ED, but I think he did a good job. One int (deflected pass), and nothing insanely stupid. He played within himself, and gained confidence as the game progressed. With a bit more seasoning, he could make a good backup to ED.
 
As others have said...we absolutely need as a minimum 1 of the next 2 to keep bowl hopes alive. 2 out of 2 and it gets much easier. Eyeball test to me...and this year appears to have a better offensive scheme. Let's get Dungey and Phillips back...and reattack this after USF. That was 2014's(5th game versus Louisville) first game with QB by committee.

2015 Defensive Front 7 has been a pleasant surprise...a bowl team worthy defense
 
TexanMark said:
As others have said...we absolutely need as a minimum 1 of the next 2 to keep bowl hopes alive. 2 out of 2 and it gets much easier. Eyeball test to me...and this year appears to have a better offensive scheme. Let's get Dungey and Phillips back...and reattack this after USF. That was 2014's(5th game versus Louisville) first game with QB by committee.
Totally agree. Need more time to assess with the two top two/three playmakers back. But regardless, I'd say next two games are must wins
 
Wake lost their QB, so not sure I'd put much stock in their Army and Indiana scores. That isn't an accurate reflection of the team we played. And actually I think we were doing a little better against CMU than MSU did before Dungey went out. That game was well in hand. Now after seeing what happened to Oregon, MSU may be incredibly overrated, but they are a pretty good football team.

One thing I am very happy with is that I don't recall running any 3rd and goal plays from the 22.

Also, the number of big plays seems to be skyrocketing. Multiple 30+ yard plays and touchdowns. With those two huge plays against Wake, when was the last time we had two 50+ yard touchdowns in one game?

I have been critical of Shafer. I'm not willing to say that I've been proven wrong just yet, but it's certainly looking that way. Plus seeing so many young guys make great plays certainly makes it look like we're on the right track.
 
Fun thing about such a young team is there is certainly lots of room for improvement. 8 new defensive starters and you can see them grow in confidence as the season progresses. LSU should go a long way towards them realizing they can physically play with anyone remaining this year. Oh by the way, we will return at least 8 defensive starters next year, 9 if sugar bear doesn't leave early. 2016 we'll be getting some preseason love in the media if we finish this season like I believe we will (8+ wins).
 
Good thread. Overall, I think it's fair to say we are way better offensively and a touch worse defensively.

- keep in mind that losing a QB in a game changes the game plan, can limit things, and can make play calling more conservative

- last year in our first four games our passing defense gave up 1000+ yds. In the next 8, 1200. We got better. And we are still solid vs the run, Fournette aside.

- Eric is really good, but still feeling his way out. 1st half vs Wake that was obvious. 1st half vs CMU was a tease. I have no idea where his ceiling is. But a bye week and a couple of beatable teams should show us a lot. I'm expecting the ability to sustain drives longer but...

- I wouldn't worry about that as much. It's clear that Lester sets up a lot of big plays with the option and running game. We've had a few huge plays that were designed to be huge. I'm expecting that to continue.
 
With ED, if he is here four years, I think he can accrue over 32 career wins and own most of the major passing records.

With Lester's taking over the O and ED's talent, I'm very bullish on this team.
 
bcubs9497 said:
I'll bet he was! Glad Coach Shafer decided to sit him out, though. Would've hated to see him end up like Gunner Kiel.
Def. as much as any of us wanted the win, not worth the risk.
 
NKR1978 said:
Also, the number of big plays seems to be skyrocketing. Multiple 30+ yard plays and touchdowns.

This seems like, and this is not negative in any way, a very low risk high reward offense conceptually. Minimize mistakes, set up, set up, hit.
Working so far.
 
Even for the most pessimistic, you would be hard pressed to look at what the offense was able to accomplish with a walk-on, 3rd string QB starting his first game against a top 10 team from the SEC and not think this team is heading in the right direction.

I began the season as a SS agnostic and was hoping for a 6 win season and a bowl. The LSU performance, having what looks to be a true playmaker at QB, and more young talent than we have seen in a long, long time = increased hope that we have "turned the corner." It is a much, much different feeling than I had 4 games in last year.

Really looking forward to how this team performs in it's first road game. To me, the SF game is going to tell us a lot about how the rest of the season might unfold.
 
Just enjoying the ride. We have a ton, and I mean a ton, of youth playing critical positions and performing. This team is built for the long haul as well as having some early success. I'm honestly just going to enjoy watching them develop and grow.

Hopefully they get a bowl game this year, that goal hasn't shifted for me, it's the most crucial factor for them.

At the end of the day, quite simply,
 
This season is almost entirely reliant on opposing coaches being meatheads. It doesn't matter how good you are at running and bad you are at passing, the way to beat SU is to throw the ball all day long. There might be 3 meatheads left on the schedule who don't get this. We just played a team with the best run blocking and best running back maybe ever in the dome and even as he was gashing us, i was happy they didn't throw at you know who more - when it came time to put the game away, that's what they did.

they can win 5 more games before the bowl. BC and Pitt will not stray from their blueprint. USF is a mess. i don't care how much louisville is struggling, petrino will destroy our secondary. who knows what nc state is this year. virginia has had a tough schedule but that boise state game really got away from them
 
I think the offense looks like it's building on something and Lester seems to understand that he cant run a system that requires our guys to be bigger, faster, stronger because in a lot of games they aren't. I think his system will give us a better chance to compete with better teams because he can outcoach guys on occasion where GMC could not. The offense is moving in right direction. It took Marrone 3-4 years to get there with 2 OC's, Lester is really only a year in and probably really only 6 months. He's a great QB coach, showing that he can be a very good OC and eventually a very good HC as he has already shown at a lower level.

The defense is the defense, looks great at time, looks like a sieve others. Makes big plays, gives up big plays. been that way for 6-7 years, it's what we do.

Special teams is much much better. The state of the program is still so fragile, win the next 2 will be great for the Pitt game, go 1-1 OK not that bad, go 0-2 and you have 20 K for Pitt.
 
This season is almost entirely reliant on opposing coaches being meatheads. It doesn't matter how good you are at running and bad you are at passing, the way to beat SU is to throw the ball all day long. There might be 3 meatheads left on the schedule who don't get this. We just played a team with the best run blocking and best running back maybe ever in the dome and even as he was gashing us, i was happy they didn't throw at you know who more - when it came time to put the game away, that's what they did.

they can win 5 more games before the bowl. BC and Pitt will not stray from their blueprint. USF is a mess. i don't care how much louisville is struggling, petrino will destroy our secondary. who knows what nc state is this year. virginia has had a tough schedule but that boise state game really got away from them

Agree on Louisville, they have very young qb and receivers but they will torch our secondary. USF, Pitt, UVA, BC and 1 more upset. I will say that there are no guaranteed victories but the only game I just cant see winning even on our best day is FSU. Clemson will take a HUGE effort but it certainly could happen
 
As others have said...we absolutely need as a minimum 1 of the next 2 to keep bowl hopes alive. 2 out of 2 and it gets much easier. Eyeball test to me...and this year appears to have a better offensive scheme. Let's get Dungey and Phillips back...and reattack this after USF. That was 2014's(5th game versus Louisville) first game with QB by committee.

2015 Defensive Front 7 has been a pleasant surprise...a bowl team worthy defense
Yeah but that Secondary though...Yikes!
 
I think the offense looks like it's building on something and Lester seems to understand that he cant run a system that requires our guys to be bigger, faster, stronger because in a lot of games they aren't. I think his system will give us a better chance to compete with better teams because he can outcoach guys on occasion where GMC could not. The offense is moving in right direction. It took Marrone 3-4 years to get there with 2 OC's, Lester is really only a year in and probably really only 6 months. He's a great QB coach, showing that he can be a very good OC and eventually a very good HC as he has already shown at a lower level.

The defense is the defense, looks great at time, looks like a sieve others. Makes big plays, gives up big plays. been that way for 6-7 years, it's what we do.

Special teams is much much better. The state of the program is still so fragile, win the next 2 will be great for the Pitt game, go 1-1 OK not that bad, go 0-2 and you have 20 K for Pitt.
i forget where i saw the link but he ended up at elmworst because he wanted to be near his young kid (he and the kid's mom weren't married). so he might be a diamond in the rough. i'm not thrilled about expressbacks but he is a competent play caller and found a qb so beggars can't be choosers
 
IthacaBarrel said:
Agree on Louisville, they have very young qb and receivers but they will torch our secondary. USF, Pitt, UVA, BC and 1 more upset. I will say that there are no guaranteed victories but the only game I just cant see winning even on our best day is FSU. Clemson will take a HUGE effort but it certainly could happen

That assumes the secondary doesn't get better and that we can't out score some teams.

The other X-factor is TO's. TO margin for Louisville is nutso: 0.00 (10 lost, 10 taken). We are 1.5 (3 lost, 9 taken). And Petrino didn't torch us through the air last year. We lost the game on the ground, oddly enough.

FSU is meathead this year. 217 in the air. Best player is a RB.

Side note: Wake has the best passing offense in the conference so far.
 
That assumes the secondary doesn't get better and that we can't out score some teams.

The other X-factor is TO's. TO margin for Louisville is nutso: 0.00 (10 lost, 10 taken). We are 1.5 (3 lost, 9 taken). And Petrino didn't torch us through the air last year. We lost the game on the ground, oddly enough.

FSU is meathead this year. 217 in the air. Best player is a RB.

Side note: Wake has the best passing offense in the conference so far.


Petrino didn't need to do anything last year, that game was a joke. Our offense couldn't get out of their own way
 
i forget where i saw the link but he ended up at elmworst because he wanted to be near his young kid (he and the kid's mom weren't married). so he might be a diamond in the rough. i'm not thrilled about expressbacks but he is a competent play caller and found a qb so beggars can't be choosers


What gives on "express backs"? I am all ears on this one... :):)
 

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