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#1 Miami @ Syracuse 1992

You also need the right conference. We were in one. I'm not sure we are now. I think those team's we've been talking about: 1987, 1992, 1996, 1998, would have been 10-2 at best in this conference. I'd take that right now but we were in a conference where it was possible to run the table and maybe play for the national title as Virginia Tech did in '99, and (even though it was pre-conference) Pittsburgh did in '76 and West Virginia in '88. W picked the wrong year to go 11-0. And I don't think we'll see a year like that again.
Maybe, If you remember when BC and V tech first left the ACC was down and we had a BC Va
Tech Championship game. The conference is not the SEC, it will be up and down some. Again, I think running the table is pie in the sky thinking but 9 and 10 win seasons are possible. ( 13 games now with bowl )
 
You also need the right conference. We were in one. I'm not sure we are now. I think those team's we've been talking about: 1987, 1992, 1996, 1998, would have been 10-2 at best in this conference. I'd take that right now but we were in a conference where it was possible to run the table and maybe play for the national title as Virginia Tech did in '99, and (even though it was pre-conference) Pittsburgh did in '76 and West Virginia in '88. W picked the wrong year to go 11-0. And I don't think we'll see a year like that again.

Big East wasn't necessarily that easy to run through. I mean, sure in the Miami probation years, and we took advantage. But the league in general was top heavy and bottom heavy. Running through a (good) Miami, VT, WVU, BC wasn't exactly easy. But most years you did have Pitt as an auto W, and Rutgers/Temple were auto Ws (until they weren't).
 
Yep - SU played one team in 1987 that finished the season ranked in the Top 25 (Auburn) and we looked completely mediocre against them.
It was not just the schedule. They were also great. One ranking that uses point differential and strength of schedule has that year as the 3th best in modern SU history. and aside from 1959, the other 4 are all pretty close.

1959
1923
1996
1918
1987

Here's an interesting tidbit. Everyone likes to talk about how we overscheduled in 2012. The 1987 team had a tougher schedule than 2012 and 2010

Sort by SRS and SOS to see

Other random tidbits. Only 1 pasqualoni season had a schedule that was in the top 20 hardest SU schedule. That's surprising. Good OOC schedule, big east sucked

if you take each season, rank the strength of schedule, then average it for each coach, here's the list

Coach Average SOS Rank
Frank Maloney 9
Greg Robinson 25
Scott Shafer 31
Dick MacPherson 32
Paul Pasqualoni 49
Ben Schwartzwalder 53
Ossie Solem 62
Doug Marrone 66
 
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The 1987 team had a tougher schedule than 2012 and 2010

Our 2010 schedule was an embarrassment… playing Akron, Colgate and Maine is just pathetic. Somewhat surprised to hear that 2012 was weaker, but that makes sense considering USC ended up going 7-6 that year after starting the season ranked #2, and the Big East replaced WVU with Temple.
 
Our 2010 schedule was an embarrassment… playing Akron, Colgate and Maine is just pathetic. Somewhat surprised to hear that 2012 was weaker, but that makes sense considering USC ended up going 7-6 that year after starting the season ranked #2, and the Big East replaced WVU with Temple.
some of our supposed overscheduling comes from playing overrated teams early in the year and never paying any attention to them later. ND this year. Penn State, NW last year, USC the year before that, Washington the year before that.
 
SU went into that game ranked #8, and after the loss we were then ranked #6. You youngens read that right. We played so well against a team that people thought was unbeatable that we actually moved up in the polls after a defeat.

Watching video of our last drive might kill me. We wasted so much time. Would've been nice to have one last play from the Miami 3. Oh Lord
It looks like we maintained our #8 rank immediately after that loss but moved up the next week? Did other teams ranked higher than us play and lose the next week? Regardless, it shows great respect to not drop after a loss.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/syracuse/1992-schedule.html
 
I just don't buy that, Teams like TCU Boise State, Cent Florida, ect...come from nowhere to have 10 win seasons and get major bowl bids. You need the right coach and the right plan but it can be done here. I just don't buy the 7 wins is the best we can hope for. I heard the same during the late 70s and early 80s. Winning a NC is a long shot at best, but putting up 9 or 10 win seasons is possible, not easy but possible. If I thought 7 win seasons were the best I could hope for I would end my 20 something years of season tickets today.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think that it may happen once every 10 years or so at best. The college landscape has changed. Other than Ohio State and Michigan, what cold weather teams, especially in the northeast can recruit at a level that would allow us to win 10 games in the ACC. The best recruits are playing out west and down south in mild weather. UCF doesn't need to worry about a recruit having to brave a blizzard on it's official visit, not to mention it plays in a weaker conference and play a weak non confrence, so getting to 10 wins is easier for them. TCU has great weather, and is in Texas, a recruiting hot-bed. It can sell itself. Boise State plays in a weaker conference, and has tremendous coaching. Syracuse needs to really come up with a reason to attract 18 year old athletes to Syracuse. The dome is no longer the recruiting tool it was. Nobody is picking Syracuse over Clemson because they get to play in the Dome.
Now if you tell me that a recruit shouldn't pick a school because of the weather, and how pretty the girls are, and how many clubs they have near campus, well you're preaching to the choir. But that's the reality. Our strategy, right now, should be to sell kids on early/immediate playing time, come here and be 'The Man" on campus, as opposed to another face in the crowd at an FSU, and lighten up on the non conference schedule a bit. "Cheat our way to 6 wins, then 7, then 8+ wins. Build a bit of a buzz that makes picking Syracuse the sexy, trendy choice, like Boise State, or TCU, Baylor, K-State. I promise you that 10 years from now, nobody will remember that we played Rhode Island, Central Michigan, Bowling Green, and Minnesota in the non conference. Instead they will remember 10 wins (maybe) and a trip to the Gator Bowl, or Peach Bowl. Recruits will see a competitive 8-10 win team that plays in late December/early January. This system has worked incredibly well for the teams mentioned earlier. Would we rather be in their shoes, or ours right now?
I get the "honor" in scheduling the best, but the reality is right now, that we are not even in the same ballpark as Notre Dame, or LSU, or USC. No recruit says, "Syracuse went 3-9 last year, but I'm committing because I respect their balls for playing those guys." No, they see us getting mauled on national t.v., and write us off.
 
Great post, SWC. A few nitpicks…
-The Conley INT was on Miami's first offensive possession, so it didn't really turn the game at that point.
-It was actually Brent Musburger, not Keith Jackson.
-I think it would have been very difficult for us to jump Florida State, but it's certainly possible.
And it wasn't a TE throwback, it was a seam route to Gedney.
 
some of our supposed overscheduling comes from playing overrated teams early in the year and never paying any attention to them later. ND this year. Penn State, NW last year, USC the year before that, Washington the year before that.

1997 NC St. and Texas finished below .500
 
yes, YES. Especially that last part. Was hoping that one day before I kick we'd get back to that level. With each passing year, the changed college football landscape, etc. I'm ufortunately thinking that isn't going to happen the ship has sailed and I'll wistfully keep looking back at those times as the glory days. :(Oh Lord
The 90's were magical.
 
Syracuse needs to really come up with a reason to attract 18 year old athletes to Syracuse. The dome is no longer the recruiting tool it was. Nobody is picking Syracuse over Clemson because they get to play in the Dome.
That's why we need a new EFTE stadium... or the dome remodel better be compared to a transgender operation when all is said and done.
 
Too bad it took until half time for the coaches to realize they had to pound it up the middle.
 
1987 was the ultimate Syracuse sports year - getting to the championship game in New Orleans in March followed by the undefeated football season. Wow - it's just amazing when you think about it. I was only 11 at the time so I probably didn't totally appreciate how awesome that was. Gosh if the internet was around back then, this board would have been really weird with nothing to complain about :)

I think 1995-1996 has a shot at the title. SU wins Gator Bowl laughing, goes to NC in hoops, and Lax loses to eventual champ Princeton in the final four.
 
I think 1995-1996 has a shot at the title. SU wins Gator Bowl laughing, goes to NC in hoops, and Lax loses to eventual champ Princeton in the final four.

That's a good point. I think the loss to East Carolina in the second football game might have taken the wind out of people's sails - but still a fantastic season for SU sports!
 
I worked for Channel 3 and was "logging" the game for the station and watched the entire second half with Wayne Mahar in the sports room. We were arm in arm on that last drive and both collapsed into each others arms when Gedney fell 2 yards short. Heartbreaking.

My brother Orlandoorange worked at channel 3 back in the 90's.
 
That's a good point. I think the loss to East Carolina in the second football game might have taken the wind out of people's sails
A game in which SU led 21-0... at home... of all things.

Granted, I'd give anything to be up 21-0 at any point in any game these days.
 
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A game in which SU led 21-0... at home... of all things. Granted, I'd give anything to be up 21-0 at any point in any game these days.

Yeah, it was one of those "is this really happening?" 2nd halves.

I hate that school. If we ever play another road game there, don't read Mark's guide. Read mine. Mine says Greenville, NC is horrible, give it to Canada, the end.
 
Yep - SU played one team in 1987 that finished the season ranked in the Top 25 (Auburn) and we looked completely mediocre against them.
When we played Auburn the heart and soul of the team, Ted Gregory , was out because of a cheap shot from a Colgate player. Yes, he's only one player, but he was mentioned by most of his team mates in an article in the Post Standard about that 1987 team, as the most talented, the most dominating player on the team.
 
What I remember from that Miami game is a group of about 4 players came out before the game and walked around the field taunting the fans. They were the big, bad hurricanes and they were proud of it.
 
I remember the Miami fans sitting behind me, who stopped their taunting in the second half. They even seemed morose at the end. You could almost hear a pin drop. That was an epic battle where the game ended with us on Miami's 5 yard line.....after Graves threw up . Not many fans left the stadium right away. It was eerie. Like everyone was in a trance. We ALMOST pulled it off. Kudos to those SU players. My most memorable game. Damn! Next on the list was that damn tie-die game vs. "a tie is better than a loss" Auburn. Bustards!
 
What I remember from that Miami game is a group of about 4 players came out before the game and walked around the field taunting the fans. They were the big, bad hurricanes and they were proud of it.

Yup! Warren Sapp was one of them. I can still see him prancing around out there. Ugh!
 
The Rock was on that team, but he wasn't a starter.
Was Orgeron there? My roommate played D-line as a walk on for SU and later met Dwayne Johnson. Two strangers from rival schools bonded over Ed Orgeron.
 

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