10.13.12 - A Piscataway Beatdown

[Moontan]

Handing Rutgers a coveted rival status

That never happened.

The NNBE is down to 3 teams in the NE. They can have their own little 3-way rivalry... coming to espn3.com.

 

[OttoMets]

Not for nothing, but for me personally the best part of moving to the ACC is to no longer having to endure the Rutgers obsession on this board.
Handing Rutgers a coveted rival status because of a few down years, always seemed needy & pathetic to me...I just never quite got it.
JMHO

This can't be overstated. Too many Syracuse fans are fixated on Rutgers.

In my nearly three decades of Syracuse football fandom, Big East membership is the only thing that separates Rutgers from East Carolina. They're a team we play pretty frequently (annually since the football Big East was founded). They don't draw well at the Dome. We scored 70 points against them once. Pasqualoni's guys dropped a horrid game against them once. Nothing memorable. No rivalry here.

 

[Cuseman78]

This can't be overstated. Too many Syracuse fans are fixated on Rutgers.

In my nearly three decades of Syracuse football fandom, Big East membership is the only thing that separates Rutgers from East Carolina. They're a team we play pretty frequently (annually since the football Big East was founded). They don't draw well at the Dome. We scored 70 points against them once. Pasqualoni's guys dropped a horrid game against them once. Nothing memorable. No rivalry here.

This is overstated. It's solely an Internet rivalry. Joe Cuse fan (who doesnt frequent fan message boards) wouldn't put them in a top 5 of football rivals. The reason they are talked about so much is simply a function of the delusion level of their fan base. We, as fans of a program with a storied history, conference titles, etc don't understand why their fans are so in your face about their "glory years" when those glory years have resulted in nothing of substance besides a bunch of mediocre bowl wins.

 

[DoctorBombay]

That never happened.

I beg to differ, and not to belabor the point, but there were times when every other post was Rutgers related.
It was "Shady this", and "Rutgirls that", like we should give a damn about them & their program...a courtesy that should be reserved for a rival.
It always reminded me of the cute girl in HS, seemingly obsessed with the jerk that suddenly got a new car. It diminished us, and elevated them to a stature they hadn't earned, and didn't deserve. Whatever the rationale, it made us look bad.

 

[SUalldway]

I beg to differ, and not to belabor the point, but there were times when every other post was Rutgers related.
It was "Shady this", and "Rutgirls that", like we should give a damn about them & their program...a courtesy that should be reserved for a rival.
It always reminded me of the cute girl in HS, seemingly obsessed with the jerk that suddenly got a new car. It diminished us, and elevated them to a stature they hadn't earned, and didn't deserve. Whatever the rationale, it made us look bad.

Love the photo!

 

[Moontan]

I beg to differ, and not to belabor the point, but there were times when every other post was Rutgers related.
It was "Shady this", and "Rutgirls that", like we should give a damn about them & their program...a courtesy that should be reserved for a rival.
It always reminded me of the cute girl in HS, seemingly obsessed with the jerk that suddenly got a new car. It diminished us, and elevated them to a stature they hadn't earned, and didn't deserve. Whatever the rationale, it made us look bad.

To me it was more a case of people feeling a need to post and not having much (positive) to talk about. The program was down so the subject at hand was more of "well, I know the program is down, but at-least-we'll/I-sure-hope/we-better beat the perennial cellar dweller". It was more a point of concern than a rivalry.

I suspect to some younger/newer Orange fans, who were not aware of the natural order of things, that it may have looked a bit like a rivalry. Methinks that may have raised the chatter to a virtual online rivalry. To the old timers or anyone following the program in the late '80s and '90s, it was clear that this was merely a down period for the program coupled with a slight uptick for RU.

If one wants to consider a 10 year (?) period where this overlap occurred as a rivalry, be my guest. Others would argue that PP's dismissal led directly (Ray Rice) to this temporary convergence.

All will be well in the world and the natural order will soon be restored. Following this year you will find all of this talk die down. If it truly was a rivalry then that will not happen. Note that after the emotions had died down that SU and BC restored their annual rivalry. You will not see this happen with RU. There may be a 2-game series every 12-15 years, but there won't be a 10-12 game series. Syracuse will have played Northwestern more over the past 10 years than they'll play Rutgers over the next 10. Does that make Northwestern a rival?

Let it go, and don't look back.

 

[SmilinBob]

I don't see Rutgers as a rival but just as the most annoying delusional fan base that we happen to play. The constant pay attention to me while I spew out the most outrageous crap is what has got them so much attention.

 

[Townie72]

I don't see Rutgers as a rival but just as the most annoying delusional fan base that we happen to play. The constant pay attention to me while I spew out the most outrageous crap is what has got them so much attention.

Those SU fans who think that we had a "rivalry" with Rutgers must be too young to remember what a real rivalry was like.

To be on the floor of the Carrier Dome when the John Thompson-led Georgetown Hoyas took the court was an experience not to be believed. The throbbing intensity of the dislike for those guys and their coach from 30,000 made the "rivalry" palpable.

It still lingers on today even though we have played very few meaningful games against them in a very long time.

You can't compare that to a few people trading insults on some message boards.

Rutgers would have loved to have a rivalry with SU, to sort of hitchhike on SU's history as an Eastern power. Now, thank goodness, we are shuck of them in a very few months.

 

[texascpa]

I don't see Rutgers as a rival but just as the most annoying delusional fan base that we happen to play. The constant pay attention to me while I spew out the most outrageous crap is what has got them so much attention.

This and this alone is the reason I want to pound them into the sand.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Those SU fans who think that we had a "rivalry" with Rutgers must be too young to remember what a real rivalry was like.

To be on the floor of the Carrier Dome when the John Thompson-led Georgetown Hoyas took the court was an experience not to be believed. The throbbing intensity of the dislike for those guys and their coach from 30,000 made the "rivalry" palpable.

It still lingers on today even though we have played very few meaningful games against them in a very long time.

You can't compare that to a few people trading insults on some message boards.

Rutgers would have loved to have a rivalry with SU, to sort of hitchhike on SU's history as an Eastern power. Now, thank goodness, we are shuck of them in a very few months.

Ding ding ding...we have winner.
The bigger point was that we were willingly handing Rutgers this subtle advantage, EVERY TIME we talked about them.
You ignore programs you don't care about. You talk about programs that you are worried about.
RU has never been a program any self-respecting SU fan, at any time, under any circumstances, should care so much about, as to give them the time of day.
They hadn't earned that much attention from us, whether positive or negative. Some of us were willing to give it to them quite easily, probably because of our own insecurity about the state of the program.
That was/is inexcusable to me and sells our great history and tradition down the river. If we're obsessed with the likes of Rutgers, then what did/does that say about our program?
Just inexcusable, IMO. (n)

 

[kingtidge]

OK - after watching two big east teams play horrendous football last night, I have to say, we should handle both Buttgers and USF with relative ease.

These teams looked downright awful.

Piscataway Beatdown is looking very likely.

 

[xc84]

Personally, at 0-2, I don't feel confident enough to predict a "beatdown" v. any of our future opponents. I am just looking and rooting for wins and I think all of our games are winnable.

 

[Chip]

OK - after watching two big east teams play horrendous football last night, I have to say, we should handle both Buttgers and USF with relative ease.

These teams looked downright awful.

Piscataway Beatdown is looking very likely.

I did not see the same thing when I watched. I saw a rattled USF team, and an athletic QB with seemingly no ability to look downfield when he scrambles. Which bodes well for us in the USF game.

But I saw a Rutgers team who is going to give us all we can handle and then some with their defense. And their offense is capable of breaking a big play, even though I think they're capable of a lot of no gain plays.

I don't see us looking nearly as good on offense in that game as we have. But hopefully very good on defense, and short on mistakes, in what should be a close game.

 

[Noexcuse]

Personally, at 0-2, I don't feel confident enough to predict a "beatdown" v. any of our future opponents. I am just looking and rooting for wins and I think all of our games are winnable.

Good point. The game is a month away and a lot can happen between now and then. If their D keeps them in the game, lets hope our pistols aren't loaded and we don't shoot ourselves in the foot again.

 

[kingtidge]

I did not see the same thing when I watched. I saw a rattled USF team, and an athletic QB with seemingly no ability to look downfield when he scrambles. Which bodes well for us in the USF game.

But I saw a Rutgers team who is going to give us all we can handle and then some with their defense. And their offense is capable of breaking a big play, even though I think they're capable of a lot of no gain plays.

I don't see us looking nearly as good on offense in that game as we have. But hopefully very good on defense, and short on mistakes, in what should be a close game.

No question Rutgers will live or die based on their D... That said, if we can put 29 on USC, I would think we are capable of doing similar to Rutgers... I don't think they can score 29 on us... If we limit our mistakes and solve our kick coverage and blocking issues, I think we take them- as things stand now...

 

[PhatOrange]

I did not see the same thing when I watched. I saw a rattled USF team, and an athletic QB with seemingly no ability to look downfield when he scrambles. Which bodes well for us in the USF game.

But I saw a Rutgers team who is going to give us all we can handle and then some with their defense. And their offense is capable of breaking a big play, even though I think they're capable of a lot of no gain plays.

I don't see us looking nearly as good on offense in that game as we have. But hopefully very good on defense, and short on mistakes, in what should be a close game.

The difference I think is that Nassib sitting back in shotgun getting the ball out quick will be so much better against the rutgers defense than what we saw last night from south florida. south florida had a very poorly schemed plan. in fact it didn't like look there was any plan at all.

There was stuff wide open all night for usf and they didn't take advantage of it. even the announcers were perplexed why the heck they weren't taking what was there. One thing ruttgers didn't seem to like was when usf went uptempo. syracuse's no huddle faster tempo is going to challenge them.

rutties only got pressure when blitzing to. they blitzed from all over with corners and lbs. Nassib will recognize where the pressure is coming from, will have hot reads, check downs, dump offs, rb swing passes ... we'll do lots of things to alleviate the pressure that south florida didn't do at all. Nassib reading the defense is Eisenstein compared to bj daniels.

obviously we can't play sloppy though with turnovers and poor specials or we're toast.

 

[orangefog]

The difference I think is that Nassib sitting back in shotgun getting the ball out quick will be so much better against the rutgers defense than what we saw last night from south florida. south florida had a very poorly schemed plan. in fact it didn't like look there was any plan at all.

There was stuff wide open all night for usf and they didn't take advantage of it. even the announcers were perplexed why the heck they weren't taking what was there. One thing ruttgers didn't seem to like was when usf went uptempo. syracuse's no huddle faster tempo is going to challenge them.

rutties only got pressure when blitzing to. they blitzed from all over with corners and lbs. Nassib will recognize where the pressure is coming from, will have hot reads, check downs, dump offs, rb swing passes ... we'll do lots of things to alleviate the pressure that south florida didn't do at all. Nassib reading the defense is Eisenstein compared to bj daniels.

obviously we can't play sloppy though with turnovers and poor specials or we're toast.

Spot on, as usual. Nassib will be able to neutralize Rutgers front seven by hitting a multitude of receivers all over the field and frustrate and tire their defense.

 

[Chip]

The difference I think is that Nassib sitting back in shotgun getting the ball out quick will be so much better against the rutgers defense than what we saw last night from south florida. south florida had a very poorly schemed plan. in fact it didn't like look there was any plan at all.

There was stuff wide open all night for usf and they didn't take advantage of it. even the announcers were perplexed why the heck they weren't taking what was there. One thing ruttgers didn't seem to like was when usf went uptempo. syracuse's no huddle faster tempo is going to challenge them.

rutties only got pressure when blitzing to. they blitzed from all over with corners and lbs. Nassib will recognize where the pressure is coming from, will have hot reads, check downs, dump offs, rb swing passes ... we'll do lots of things to alleviate the pressure that south florida didn't do at all. Nassib reading the defense is Eisenstein compared to bj daniels.

obviously we can't play sloppy though with turnovers and poor specials or we're toast.

I think last night showed how bad Daniels can be. Just no ability to look down field when he has to move.

We'll definitely need to be ready for the blitz, maybe up tempo slows that down for them. They were blitzing from everywhere last night, and looked fast doing it. We'll have Pugh back, and that will help. Nassib's ability to know what's going on will help as well.

Certainly a winnable game, I just expected Rutgers to be pretty bad. More potential there than I thought.

 

[kingtidge]

Spot on, as usual. Nassib will be able to neutralize Rutgers front seven by hitting a multitude of receivers all over the field and frustrate and tire their defense.

What are you saying, that are offense is now virtually "Multiple"?

Marrone promised a multiple offense...

I have been waiting for it... even though I haven't the faintest clue what it means...

 

[SUinNYC]

The difference I think is that Nassib sitting back in shotgun getting the ball out quick will be so much better against the rutgers defense than what we saw last night from south florida. south florida had a very poorly schemed plan. in fact it didn't like look there was any plan at all.

There was stuff wide open all night for usf and they didn't take advantage of it. even the announcers were perplexed why the heck they weren't taking what was there. One thing ruttgers didn't seem to like was when usf went uptempo. syracuse's no huddle faster tempo is going to challenge them.

rutties only got pressure when blitzing to. they blitzed from all over with corners and lbs. Nassib will recognize where the pressure is coming from, will have hot reads, check downs, dump offs, rb swing passes ... we'll do lots of things to alleviate the pressure that south florida didn't do at all. Nassib reading the defense is Eisenstein compared to bj daniels.

obviously we can't play sloppy though with turnovers and poor specials or we're toast.

Yep. We are going to beat them badly. I know I'm being simplistic here, but Rutgers D vs. USC D, who's better? USC by a wide margin. We hung 29 on USC. We will put 30+ on Rutgers. They will be lucky to hit the 20's. We win going away.

 

[orangefog]

What are you saying, that are offense is now virtually "Multiple"?

Marrone promised a multiple offense...

I have been waiting for it... even though I haven't the faintest clue what it means...

I am saying that if Rutgers front seven is intent on putting pressure on Nassib in the shotgun, then he is going to have multiple receivers to choose from. He just has to continue with quick reads and get rid of the ball and keep the chains moving. The defense will be warn out by the third quarter, by then, hopefully we will have a decent lead and can start moving the ball via the running game over a tired front seven of Rutgers.

 

[kingtidge]

I am saying that if Rutgers front seven is intent on putting pressure on Nassib in the shotgun, then he is going to have multiple receivers to choose from. He just has to continue with quick reads and get rid of the ball and keep the chains moving. The defense will be warn out by the third quarter, by then, hopefully we will have a decent lead and can start moving the ball via the running game over a tired front seven of Rutgers.

I hear that... Daniels was a fast-running, semi-blind cyclops last night... even the announcers were pointing out the open receivers he wasn't throwing to...

 

[Cuseman78]

Yep. We are going to beat them badly. I know I'm being simplistic here, but Rutgers D vs. USC D, who's better? USC by a wide margin. We hung 29 on USC. We will put 30+ on Rutgers. They will be lucky to hit the 20's. We win going away.

Can we see how we do against Stony Brook, Minnesota, and Pitt first? Lot of football to be played.

 

[Millhouse]

Yep. We are going to beat them badly. I know I'm being simplistic here, but Rutgers D vs. USC D, who's better? USC by a wide margin. We hung 29 on USC. We will put 30+ on Rutgers. They will be lucky to hit the 20's. We win going away.

is that so?

it's been a few years since USC was dominant. there are a lot of good offenses out in the pac 10 but they haven't had a really good defense in a few years.

i don't think USC's better by a wide margin. they probably should be but I don't think they are.

 

[RRRUUU]

I'm thinking it will be a hard fought game and anyone expecting a blow out in either direction is crazy. You have a good senior QB in Nassib with lots of experience on your side but I think our D will create some turnovers if your O becomes one dimensional depending on your ability to run the ball.

Our O will get better as Nova gains confidence and settles down. We have the receivers to make plays for him. He has been much better about throwing the ball away and limiting turnovers.

I like what I have seen from Flood as well. Thought a lot of him to decline a holding call to make it 4th and 3 instead of accepting it like many coaches to make it 3rd and 13 late in the fourth knowing they were going for it. Showed he has balls and trusts his team. They responded with a stop.

Will be interesting to see how the next month goes leading up to our game for both teams. Either way it should be an exciting game when we meet.