105 scholarships coming?

[Cuse12]

Speculation - did Fran know this through the tea leaves and stacked up the 25 class with quantity knowing he can still have a handful of spots left for high caliber select players?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Settlement Documents Filed in College Athletics Class-Action Lawsuits - NCAA.org

Formal settlement documents were filed with the Northern District Court of California Friday to advance the settlement approval process to resolve class-action lawsuits

www.ncaa.org

The Settlement​

The settlement addresses three primary issues: payment of back damages for claims relating to name, image and likeness (NIL), academic-related awards and other benefits; increased benefits from institutions to student-athletes going forward, including additional NIL opportunities for student-athletes directly with the institution; and eliminating scholarships limits in favor of roster limits.

• The settlement calls for total back damages of approximately $2.78 billion, to be paid over 10 years, equating to approximately $280 million annually with distribution of back damages as determined by plaintiffs.
• Going forward, the settlement allows the A5 conference member institutions (and other DI schools that choose to participate in the new structure) to provide increased benefits to student-athletes, including for NIL. If approved by the court, this model will allow schools to provide up to 22% of the average Autonomy 5 athletic media, ticket, and sponsorship revenue to student-athletes, starting in the 2025-26 academic year. The future model could result in student-athletes receiving $1.5 billion to $2 billion in new benefits annually.
  • The new benefits that may be made available to student-athletes would be in addition to the myriad benefits currently provided to student-athletes, including free tuition, room & board, educational grants, academic support and tutoring, medical and mental health resources & support, nutrition resources & support, life skills development, superior coaching and training and extended medical coverage after they stop competing. Adding these existing benefits together with the benefits to be available under the new model, many A5 schools would be providing nearly 50 percent of athletics revenue to their student-athletes.
  • Under the new model, institutions may pay student-athletes directly for their NIL rights. Any institutional NIL payments would apply toward the 22% cap. Third parties may continue to enter into NIL agreements with student-athletes. Such agreements will be subject to review to ensure they are legitimate, fair market value agreements and not used for pay-for-play. NIL payments by third parties would not apply toward the 22% cap but must be disclosed to a clearinghouse for review.
  • The new model allows for the establishment of a robust and effective enforcement and oversight program to ensure the new NIL model achieves its objectives. The establishment of a clearinghouse for NIL payments over $600 would give institutions access to information about external NIL activities, providing a level of transparency that does not currently exist to allow for better management of third-party influence and better assurance of legitimate NIL activity.
• Lastly, scholarship limits will be eliminated in all sports, and roster limits will be established. Institutions have the discretion to offer partial or full scholarships provided they do not exceed the roster limits. This change will allow institutions to provide additional scholarships to student-athletes in the future.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

New college sports roster limits revealed as House settlement expands scholarship numbers

More than 750 additional scholarships are coming to college sports.

sports.yahoo.com

Sport	Sex	Old limit	New limit	Increase
Baseball	Men	11.7	34	22.3
Basketball	Men	13	15	2
Basketball	Women	15	15	0
Cross country	Men	5	17	12
Cross country	Women	6	17	12
Field hockey	Women	12	27	15
Football	Men	85	105	20
Ice hockey	Men	18	26	8
Ice hockey	Women	18	26	8
Track	Men	12.6	45	35.4
Track	Women	18	45	27
Lacrosse	Men	12.6	48	35.4
Lacrosse	Women	12	38	26
Rowing	Women	20	68	48
Soccer	Men	9.9	28	18.1
Soccer	Women	14	28	14
Softball	Women	12	25	13
Tennis	Men	4.5	10	5.5
Tennis	Women	8	10	2
Volleyball	Men	4.5	18	13.5
Volleyball	Women	12	18	6

 

[bnoro]

Speculation - did Fran know this through the tea leaves and stacked up the 25 class with quantity knowing he can still have a handful of spots left for high caliber select players?

We've absolutely recruited the '25 class like we knew this was coming.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

New college sports roster limits revealed as House settlement expands scholarship numbers

More than 750 additional scholarships are coming to college sports.

sports.yahoo.com

Sport	Sex	Old limit	New limit	Increase
Baseball	Men	11.7	34	22.3
Basketball	Men	13	15	2
Basketball	Women	15	15	0
Cross country	Men	5	17	12
Cross country	Women	6	17	12
Field hockey	Women	12	27	15
Football	Men	85	105	20
Ice hockey	Men	18	26	8
Ice hockey	Women	18	26	8
Track	Men	12.6	45	35.4
Track	Women	18	45	27
Lacrosse	Men	12.6	48	35.4
Lacrosse	Women	12	38	26
Rowing	Women	20	68	48
Soccer	Men	9.9	28	18.1
Soccer	Women	14	28	14
Softball	Women	12	25	13
Tennis	Men	4.5	10	5.5
Tennis	Women	8	10	2
Volleyball	Men	4.5	18	13.5
Volleyball	Women	12	18	6

That could be huge for Lax? Don't have to worry about getting HS recruiting right anymore.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

That could be huge for Lax? Don't have to worry about getting HS recruiting right anymore.

We have 60 kids on the team now. And a limit of 12.6 scholarships.

That's a 20% reduction in roster size, and a potential 400% increase in expenses if we fully fund all 48 scholarships.

As Jeremy pointed out, if you want elite talent, you're have to offer full rides to them. Partial scholarships won't get it done anymore.

 

[Consigliere]

If you add the cost of all the additional scholarships to the $22MM schools will be allowed to pay athletes you are likely looking at new costs exceeding $100MM. Failure to meet either of those allowable threshholds would create a true competitive disadvantage. What is Wildhack going to come up with an additional $100MM. It's either got to be funded through additional revenue or cost cuts. If I am a D1 AD I'm not sleeping so well of late!

 

[MSOrange]

If you add the cost of all the additional scholarships to the $22MM schools will be allowed to pay athletes you are likely looking at new costs exceeding $100MM. Failure to meet either of those allowable threshholds would create a true competitive disadvantage. What is Wildhack going to come up with an additional $100MM. It's either got to be funded through additional revenue or cost cuts. If I am a D1 AD I'm not sleeping so well of late!

Agree. On the surface, it's easy to say "Wow look at all those additional scholarships. That's a great deal for athletes." But if your sport gets eliminated, it's not such a great deal. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

 

[longtimefan]

Remember, this settlement still has to be approved by the presiding judge. It could all still blow up.

 

[Libero2]

Remember, this settlement still has to be approved by the presiding judge. It could all still blow up.

While anything is possible, more opportunities for athletes, across the board seems like it will be a win in the court of law to me

 

[Oakland]

Sources: NCAA to increase scholarships for sports, with football getting roster limit of 105 players

As part of the new revenue-sharing model, by-sport scholarship restrictions will be eliminated, and schools are permitted to offer scholarships to the entirety of their rosters.

sports.yahoo.com

During a meeting Tuesday, power conference commissioners finalized new roster-size limits that pave the way for athletic departments to distribute millions of dollars in new scholarships to athletes in, most notably, football, baseball and softball. Conference officials with knowledge of the figures spoke to Yahoo Sports under condition of anonymity.

As part of the new revenue-sharing model — beginning in 2025-26 academic year — by-sport scholarship restrictions are eliminated, and schools are permitted to offer scholarships to the entirety of their rosters. The new roster limit figures are not final until the approval of House settlement terms.

Football, with a current scholarship restriction of 85, will now have a roster limit of 105 — a 20-scholarship increase for those schools willing to give the maximum. In an important note for football, the 105 may not be a requirement until the start of the competitive season, giving coaches flexibility to go beyond that figure during preseason camp, for instance.

Another key change to the scholarship structure: All sports will be considered “equivalency sports,” meaning partial scholarships can be distributed to players. Football, basketball and other sports are currently considered “head-count sports,” which require players on scholarship to receive a full grant.

So the flood gates have opened: more coaches (unlimited coaches?); much, much higher coaches' salaries; paying the players, oh more players to pay (105?); huge ongoing ramp up of facilities - will this be cash flow positive for schools???

Did I miss anything?

Oh, yes - I did miss something! Some schools are going to sell their future cash flow to private equity firms, so that they can 'stay in the game'; for a few years anyways.

Oh, one other thing, its not just coaches; now you apparently need: nutritionists, assistant coaches for almost everything, and a team business manager to figure out who to pay out to all those limitless TV revenues!

Did I miss anything?

 

[wgdsr]

20 more seems like a lot. I don't understand why the schools would want this. What is the reasoning on it?

Also If you add 20 more football spots you have to add 20 more scholarships for a women's sport right?

no, not really how it works. but they will be adding some.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

So the flood gates have opened: more coaches (unlimited coaches?); much, much higher coaches' salaries; paying the players, oh more players to pay (105?); huge ongoing ramp up of facilities - will this be cash flow positive for schools???

Did I miss anything?

Oh, yes - I did miss something! Some schools are going to sell their future cash flow to private equity firms, so that they can 'stay in the game'; for a few years anyways.

Oh, one other thing, its not just coaches; now you apparently need: nutritionists, assistant coaches for almost everything, and a team business manager to figure out who to pay out to all those limitless TV revenues!

Did I miss anything?

Yeah, I got a hunch this doesn't jive with the academic missions at most institutions.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

First, an explanation: Why is this happening? Basically the House settlement eliminates scholarship limits an unfair restraint of athletes. BUT a roster limit is just a means of competitive balance (semantics!), so NCAA can still cap that. (And note: NCAA cannot cap scholarships but schools can determine their own limit.)

Most P4s are currently at somewhere between 120-130 total roster spots (including walk-ons) but schools don't want the scholarship number that high because it would be VERY expensive to hand out 130 football scholarships (which also likely means 45 + on women's side too for T9).

So they've negotiated for a lower number that theoretically still allows a team to handle normal attrition and hold full practices, though most coaches I've talked to aren't thrilled with the outcome. But, set all that aside, and there are bigger ripple effects.

1st, assume all P4s max out & go 85->105. That's 20 new scholies/team or 1,380 new P4 schols. Where do nearly 1400 scholarship players come from? Well, for one, it's a great year to be a high school recruit. After years of saying they're getting squeezed by the portal, there are going to be WAY more offers from bigger schools.

But the flip side of that is G5s are going to get KILLED. First, tons of fringe players who might've gone to Ohio or Troy will be going to Ohio State or Auburn now. Second, a whole mess of G5s are going to hit the portal knowing there's room at a higher level.

I've talked to a number of G5 coaches who think they can at least still sell playing time but... it's going to be a bloodbath. Moreover, most G5s are NOT going to be able to afford 105 scholarships, so they'll be at a bigger disadvantage regardless.

And yes, players who go P4 and don't see the field will get frustrated and hit the portal... but with fewer scholarships available, G5s may not be able to get them (and due to credit transfers, higher academic P4s may not either).

Worried about how many players enter the portal each year now? Get ready for that to skyrocket. Every coach I've talked to expects a 50-60% increase in portal after this as P4 schollie guys who and barely got practice reps as the 104th or 105th guy on the roster opt to leave.

Moreover, I think there's a big question as to just how many P4s even want to go to 105. Yes, the majority of coaches I spoke to said they'd HAVE to do it to keep up with the Joneses, but few seemed eager.

And yes, as Dabo notes, if the vast majority of P4s go to 105 scholarships, that means no more walk-ons, which coaches I've talked to said will likely result in a) lawsuits and b) pissing off some big time boosters whose kids are walk-ons.

Clearly some underfunded P4s are going to be reluctant. Several schools I talked to who will not go to 105 -- and some may even go below 85(!) in this new world and just choose to invest elsewhere. They'll get killed for it on the recruiting trail but they'll live w/it.

BUT... I've talked to a number of coaches who would be OK with that because 105 is a) really hard to manage and b) potentially waters down your revenue share number once the House settlement is figured out.

Let's say 40% of that $20M rev share number is going to football. That's $8M. Spread over 105 players = $76,190 per player. Spread over 85 is 94,117. So $18K/player when those last 20 guys are not really impact guys at all.Most coaches I've talked to would MUCH prefer to heavily invest in their 2 deep (48ish guys) + a dozen or so developmental players. Paying 105 nearly doubles the total you're investing in (or pissing off by not investing in).

I've heard varying numbers on actual budget impacts btw, but I think for all-in schools, the rev share + scholarship increases + legal costs of settlement will be somewhere between $25-30M/year. That's a big number and a swallow-hard moment for 90% of schools.

Long story short, the impact on budgets, transfers, G5s (and below), walk-ons, and end-of-season depth is going to be dramatic across the board. Oh, and it'll likely take effect a year from now, meaning coaches are already recruiting with this in mind despite having ZERO idea what the details will actually look like. Fun times.