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2 QB System? Really?

I don't think Johnny Manziel was much larger coming out of HS. I'm not suggesting that Long is a future Heisman winner (though he could be), my point is there's more to being an effective college QB than measurables. Knowing how Long felt about attending SU, I'll bet he's stoked about the possibility of seeing PT this week and is all-in to use his RS. My biggest concern is that he's been running the scout team and may not have as firm a grasp of the offense, so Lester may need to simplify the play calling somewhat when he's under center.
 
We live in a world where our punter has as many TD passes as our starting QB has had in five games.

Play 17 quarterbacks in a game if it changes our end production. I care less about the appearance of pithy truisms as I do doing whatever it takes to produce touchdowns/wins.

I can't think of many--if not any--multi-QB systems that are truly effective. Two of sh-t is still sh-t.

I get that people are quick to applaud change when things aren't going well. But I fear that this is less a viable strategy versus throwing sh-t against the wall to see what sticks.
 
Where did you see/hear that? If true, then I imagine the 10% are bubble screens.
if you can throw a bubble screen, you know 90% of the playbook!
 
I'm hoping we over recruit every QB in our system.

I'm not worried about burning red shirts.


Long isn't Flutie.


We're not winning with a 6-foot, 177-pound QB.
Why did we recruit him then. A QB is not going to bulk up that much...People here were excited about his recruitment. I guess we were worried about the need for a scout team QB ????? If he can play then who cares. he doesn't fit the mold of todays QB so what. Learn to slide properly.
 
AJ is going to come in to run the wildcat. He can throw pretty good and run real good .
 
He weighs 180 with a keg on his back. No way.

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Kids gotten much bigger since he enrolled.
 
Hunt is 6+ and 260 or something and got hurt. It happens to all players who play this game.

I worry more about Phillips than AJ though. That kid is slim.
 
Hunt is 6+ and 260 or something and got hurt. It happens to all players who play this game.

I worry more about Phillips than AJ though. That kid is slim.

260??
 
Steve Spurrier would disagree with you.

As for the SU football team this could be a blessing is disguise since the coaching staff will get to evaluate our freshman QB's in games as opposed to practice.
From what I have seen in practices AJ is not ready to be that guy. The question really is who is ready? We are as the proverb says about to be living in interesting times.
 
From what I have seen in practices AJ is not ready to be that guy. The question really is who is ready? We are as the proverb says about to be living in interesting times.
What have you observed - good and bad? Or, is he just too undeveloped?
 
well at least its will be interesting for some reason on Saturday
 
What have you observed - good and bad? Or, is he just too undeveloped?
Just my overall impression, and opinion. I sure as heck hope someone can step it up though or we will struggle, like we aren't already. I personally would prefer either Austin or Kimble mostly because they have been in program longer. Glad I am not the one making the call.
 
My gut says they want to go with Long but will not start him against FSU. My guess is that he will play some series but Wilson will get the majority of the work when Wilson does terrible against FSU they will start AJ versus Wake. Lester and Shafer seem really high on Long.
 
Long looked a lot better during fan fest than he did during the spring game. So don't base your judgment off of the spring game when he was only here for a couple months.
 
Well, I have to give my two cents on this subject. I went to Fan Fest and some open practices. All I can say is that, in my view, Long is small and his arm is the weakest of all the QB's. Floats the ball and that will be an issue against teams with speed. I am not trying to be negative or downplay Longs potential, I just don't see him competing at this level right now. Hope I am wrong. Wilson on the other hand has the best arm of all the QB's but won't do much with his legs.
 
Well, I have to give my two cents on this subject. I went to Fan Fest and some open practices. All I can say is that, in my view, Long is small and his arm is the weakest of all the QB's. Floats the ball and that will be an issue against teams with speed. I am not trying to be negative or downplay Longs potential, I just don't see him competing at this level right now. Hope I am wrong. Wilson on the other hand has the best arm of all the QB's but won't do much with his legs.

I also think his arm is weakest, but he seemed make quicker decisions than the other QBs and was accurate. Those two things can make a big difference. Lets see how they both do Saturday. Starting from the beginning I would pick Wilson but the offense isn't really suited for him. How much can that change in a week? I dont know.
 
Florida won a national title with a two-QB system. Chris Leak and Tim Tebow. Just sayin...
 
Our starting QB just got injured.
The apparent top two remaining QBs were pre-season #4 and #5 on many peoples pre-season depth charts.
We're playing the #1-ranked defending national champs this week.
Whoever we put in there (even Hunt if healthy) is going to get pounded.
The game is likely to get out of hand to the point that the backup will get snaps anyway, so why not plan around it?

We obviously don't have a clear-cut starter, so why name one this week, have people rally behind him, then feed him to the Noles and dash all hopes?
Makes more sense to design packages for each QB (I'd even go three deep) doing whatever they do best. If one of them flashes, name him starter next week with a confidence boosting game against Wake on the schedule. If there's no separation this week, HCSS can continue with his stated multi-QB approach instead of having to demote someone.
 
I believe it was none other than Stone Cold Steve Austin who said on college gameday a few weeks ago that "When you have 2 quarterbacks, you really have none."
 
I'm hoping we over recruit every QB in our system.

I'm not worried about burning red shirts.


Long isn't Flutie.


We're not winning with a 6-foot, 177-pound QB.
Yes and Seattle isn't winning with a 5-11-206 lb QB either, get over yourselves with the size of a QB, its skill, and heart as Floyd said. You can be a great athlete, and not be great, because you don't have the heart, to give everything you have to be great.
 
A two QB system for this game might be kind of interesting to watch, just
to see how badly each plays, but it's not going to give you a fair read on
any of them.

I think it largely depends on the system that Lester tries to run. The
system that McDonald tried to run with Hunt required some talent you can
throw to and a QB who can make the throws. Was it the talent that was
the problem? Don't know, but they didn't help with their drops and
inability to create space. Was it the QB? Well, Hunt obviously has not
developed yet into a QB who can run the gameplan - that happens with
college kids, BTW. Bubble screens work, just ask the SU D, but it helps
if the secondary has to respect a deeper ball every once in awhile,
which no opponent has done to date. It also helps if the QB can put the
ball where the receivers can catch it. Add all of that together, and it's
pretty clear the gameplan could not work as envisioned. But it was
never changed. That was worse. You'd think, in the redzone, maybe a
fade to Ishmael/West/Custis, nope. That play was crying out to be made
against ND (you could easily see the chance from my five-rows-from-top
seats), but they never tried it.

So onward to the next QB(s), NONE of whom will have success unless they
rethink their gameplan, and I might suggest that maybe they take a little
more time with their play calls, if nothing else, to keep the ball away
from FSU for just that much longer.

Oh, I like Shafer commenting about AJ Long being "scout team player of
the week" and looking great against the #1 defense. That has not yet
proven to be a difficult task for the QBs SU has played against. The D
has caused turnovers and made plays for losses, but also almost allowed
a D2 QB to beat them, and allowed Golson to go for 360+ and 4 TDs. And
the Lville QB was able to make the plays he had to.

Kev
 

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