2018 Wide Receivers

[Trueblue25]

Returning contributors:

Devin C Butler
Moe Neal
N Johnson
Sean Riley
Jamal Custis

2016s/2017s with potential to earn major time-

Cam Jordan
Sharod Johnson
RTB

True

Harris
Hendrix
Queeley
Lutz



Who cracks the 1 and 2 deep? Who’s our dark horses? Whos on the outside looking in? Who will surprise? Who will redshirt? Who’s going to make clemson db’s resemble sissy little girls?

 

[JrodCuse]

1's - N Johnson, Devin Butler, Jamal Custis, Riley
2's - S Jonson, Cam, RTB, Hendrix

Redshirt: Harris, Queeley, Lutz

I think Moe Neal stays at RB although if he does become a slot he'd probably be a 1 and move either Custis or Riley down to the 2's.

 

[Doc5120]

I think we see Moe moved to the slot - so I'll say 1's are Butler, Neal, Custis (I shouldn't, but I do), N. Johnson. 2's I'll go with RTB, Hendrix & S. Johnson.

I think Neal & N. Johnson will catch a lot of balls, Butler will have an Ishmael-esque Jr. year, and hopefully Hendrix & Custis gets into the mix a fair amount.

 

[PAcuse]

Mo was our best RB last year. We will have to see some major improvements to have him forced to the slot.

 

[cusefan88]

Hendrix passes Custis. Let is go guys, Custis won't ever do anything here.

 

[sutomcat]

I really like the slot receivers. I think Nykeim Johnson is going to be vastly improved and emerge as a reliable weapon. I believed Moe was headed to the slot even before the addition of the stud RBs and still think that way. I think he will probably end up the leading WR on the team (at least as far as catches go).

Sean will contribute but I think his size prevents him from getting a ton of touches. Someone has to join Cooper inside, and I think it is Taj, though he and Queeley might end up reversed. I am a fan of Cooper too. His film was impressive. IMO, Cooper and Harris are the future here but it is hard to come in and start playing right away aat WR in this system. At least one of the true frosh will likely play, as there is less depth than on the outside.

Inside

Nykeim Johnson
Sean Riley
Taj Harris

Moe Neal
Cooper Lutz
Taj Harris

On the outside, I expect Butler and Custis, the guys with the most PT to date, will end up starting. At least 2 others will be in the rotation. My guess is Sharod Johnson and either RTB or Cam. Hendrix and Queeley are the most talented in the group but I think the staff is going to try and red shirt both of them.

Outside

Devin C Butler
Sharod Johnson
Edward Hendrix
Cam Jordan

Jamal Custis
RTB
Anthony Queeley
Cam Jordan

 

[Trueblue25]

I know he’s seen as a potential outside weapon. But how’s RTB’s speed? He has some solid possession slot receive size... does he have the speed?

 

[cusefan88]

Cam Jordan is an interesting player to watch. His HS film showed a lot of downfield catches. Don't know if he's fast but is certainly big, tough, and maybe can win those outside 1-1 jump balls.

 

[Millhouse]

Mo was our best RB last year. We will have to see some major improvements to have him forced to the slot.

dungey was our best RB last year which is why we will not have to see major improvements to have him forced to the slot

 

[Trueblue25]

dungey was our best RB last year which is why we will not have to see major improvements to have him forced to the slot

We had a young line. I expect strickland and moe’s production to increase.

 

[PAcuse]

dungey was our best RB last year which is why we will not have to see major improvements to have him forced to the slot

Yes Dungey was our best running the ball, my apologies for my slip up

 

[sutomcat]

I know he’s seen as a potential outside weapon. But how’s RTB’s speed? He has some solid possession slot receive size... does he have the speed?

Here are some times I found during a quick surf.

RTB: 10.94 100 22.10 200m
CJ: couldn't find time, do not think he ran track
NJ: 11.07 22.5
SJ: 10.98 22.52
SR: 11.21 21.92
MN: no times found
JC: no times found
TH: 11.34 24.13
CL: 10.77 23.31
AQ; no times found
EH: no times found
DB: 11.01 22.19

So of the WRs we have times for, RTB has the fastest 100m.

 

[orange_in_VA]

Here are some times I found during a quick surf.

RTB: 10.94 100 22.10 200m
CJ: couldn't find time, do not think he ran track
NJ: 11.07 22.5
SJ: 10.98 22.52
SR: 11.21 21.92
MN: no times found
JC: no times found
TH: 11.34 24.13
CL: 11.48 23.31
AQ; no times found
EH: no times found
DB: 11.01 22.19

So of the WRs we have times for, RTB has the fastest 100m.

And 200m. Didn't realize he was that fast. That's awesome.

 

[Trueblue25]

Here are some times I found during a quick surf.

RTB: 10.94 100 22.10 200m
CJ: couldn't find time, do not think he ran track
NJ: 11.07 22.5
SJ: 10.98 22.52
SR: 11.21 21.92
MN: no times found
JC: no times found
TH: 11.34 24.13
CL: 11.48 23.31
AQ; no times found
EH: no times found
DB: 11.01 22.19

So of the WRs we have times for, RTB has the fastest 100m.

At 6 foot 210-215... could RTB be a monster in the slot for us? I know thats appealing on the outside, but seeing how we used Erv i think i like it more in the slot

 

[Chip]

Moe was supposed to switch last year, but then didn't. The big changes at RB will come in 2019, not 2018. I would guess Moe stays where he is. Can still be a weapon out of the backfield. If the line improves and there are holes to run through, he's the best suited to make them home runs.

 

[RMH44]

Here are some times I found during a quick surf.

RTB: 10.94 100 22.10 200m
CJ: couldn't find time, do not think he ran track
NJ: 11.07 22.5
SJ: 10.98 22.52
SR: 11.21 21.92
MN: no times found
JC: no times found
TH: 11.34 24.13
CL: 11.48 23.31
AQ; no times found
EH: no times found
DB: 11.01 22.19

So of the WRs we have times for, RTB has the fastest 100m.

Since CL blew out his knee his JR year, I think these times might be from his soph track stats.

Did he enroll early? If not, maybe he'll run track in the spring and we'll see if he has improved his times.

 

[Ish88888]

1's - N Johnson, Devin Butler, Jamal Custis, Riley
2's - S Jonson, Cam, RTB, Hendrix

Redshirt: Harris, Queeley, Lutz

I think Moe Neal stays at RB although if he does become a slot he'd probably be a 1 and move either Custis or Riley down to the 2's.

You are probably spot on but not convinced custis turns the corner and if he gets beat out, that leaves a starting squad very vertically challenged.

 

[shu 49]

I feel Riley will get pushed out. Too small. Big heart though. I would feel safest with Mo at slot but he was our best Rb so I'm crossed. Custis and Butler should catch 200 plus balls a day until they never drop one. Every dropped ball our Qb says to himself not too throw in there direction when it's important and that's why Erv and Ish had a zillion balls there way. He knew they would be caught. We need them two to become great outside guys and they should be dominant blockers at their size. Let's go.

 

[JSOrange97]

Here are some times I found during a quick surf.

RTB: 10.94 100 22.10 200m
CJ: couldn't find time, do not think he ran track
NJ: 11.07 22.5
SJ: 10.98 22.52
SR: 11.21 21.92
MN: no times found
JC: no times found
TH: 11.34 24.13
CL: 11.48 23.31
AQ; no times found
EH: no times found
DB: 11.01 22.19

So of the WRs we have times for, RTB has the fastest 100m.

Glad someone finally brought up RTB. Heard very good things about him coming out of HS, but the redshirt year really keeps him below the radar. I thought I had also read that he and TD had good chemistry so maybe 2019 is the breakout year for RTB? Wouldn't mind him having breaking put a year early, mind you.

 

[sutomcat]

Since CL blew out his knee his JR year, I think these times might be from his soph track stats.

Did he enroll early? If not, maybe he'll run track in the spring and we'll see if he has improved his times.

I don't believe he enrolled early. After looking a little more, I did find a 10.77 100m for him. So he is actually the fastest of the bunch (if all these times are to be believed).

Trying to respond to other points in the thread, I agree that the staff would like to keep Moe at RB for the 2018 season, as there really is no speed back with experience except him. But between Howard and Pierce, I think they have guys who can run as fast as Moe but are a lot bigger, more capable of breaking tackles and more physically capable of pass blocking in the event of a blitz. That is something that is really needed in this offense; your 3rd down RB needs to be able to pick up a blitzing LB or safety and hold him off from getting to the QB. I like Moe a lot but he is just too small to do this. When he was put in this situation last season, things didn't go well and I don't think he will ever be even adequate here.

The situation at the two inside WR positions is pretty dire. Nykeim Johnson was not ready to play last season and got destroyed/abused most times the ball was supposed to go his way. I think he makes a big jump up and emerges as a reliable WR but even that isn't a given. Then you have Riley, who is tough and a great kid but he just isn't big enough to get a lot of touches and he really isn't that fast either, which could help offset the size limitations. And there is the blocking thing...all these WRs need to block in this scheme. Sean is not going to win many battles blocking against players far bigger than he is.

So who else is going to get touches in the slot? True freshmen? Bottom line, I think the other options at RB are better than the other options at inside WR. Moe isn't going to be a great blocker either but he is better suited to the job than Riley and I think blocking from the slot is a little easier than picking up blitzes in the pocket. Moe is a play maker, he has proven that. Get him the ball in space and he will deliver. The best way to do that is to put him in the slot. As a side note, I love Harris and Lutz and think they will be great players. But both are from the Northeast, haven't played a ton of football and both played another position most of the time in HS (Harris at QB and Lutz at RB). They are unlikely going to as ready to play right away as someone like Queeley.

Moe might well end up at RB. It is going to be a tough decision.

 

[gbo]

Returning contributors:

Devin C Butler
Moe Neal
N Johnson
Sean Riley
Jamal Custis

2016s/2017s with potential to earn major time-

Cam Jordan
Sharod Johnson
RTB

True

Harris
Hendrix
Queeley
Lutz



Who cracks the 1 and 2 deep? Who’s our dark horses? Whos on the outside looking in? Who will surprise? Who will redshirt? Who’s going to make clemson db’s resemble sissy little girls?

You got me with that last sentence haha.

 

[orangepassion]

The million dollar question is where will Moe end up. I think he'd be great at slot, but not sure if you can afford to move him unless you feel very confident about Pierre or Perkins coming out of Spring Practice. You don't want to rely on True Freshmen coming in a month before the year and Moe looked pretty darn good as a RB at the end of the year and gives you more home run potential than any back on the roster. I think Nykeim showed tremendous YAC potential-Just needs to hold onto the ball. Hopefully everything slows down for him this year. I do think Riley can contribute some at slot-He's shown pretty good hands at WR and is pretty slippery as a returner.

The big question on the outside is who's gonna step up and show strong hands ala Ish. Ish showed great hands practically from day 1. I don't know if any of these guys can match Ish ability to go after the football, but think this could be Butler's last chance to show he can be an alpha before the younger guys like Hendrix overtake him. Would love to see Custis end his career on a strong note. If he can produce, he has the type of measurables to get drafted.

 

[RMH44]

The million dollar question is where will Moe end up. I think he'd be great at slot, but not sure if you can afford to move him unless you feel very confident about Pierre or Perkins coming out of Spring Practice. You don't want to rely on True Freshmen coming in a month before the year and Moe looked pretty darn good as a RB at the end of the year and gives you more home run potential than any back on the roster. I think Nykeim showed tremendous YAC potential-Just needs to hold onto the ball. Hopefully everything slows down for him this year. I do think Riley can contribute some at slot-He's shown pretty good hands at WR and is pretty slippery as a returner.

The big question on the outside is who's gonna step up and show strong hands ala Ish. Ish showed great hands practically from day 1. I don't know if any of these guys can match Ish ability to go after the football, but think this could be Butler's last chance to show he can be an alpha before the younger guys like Hendrix overtake him. Would love to see Custis end his career on a strong note. If he can produce, he has the type of measurables to get drafted.

If Butler had hands like Ish (it's never too late), he'd get drafted. He and Custis (injuries and hands) are gifted athletes but time is running out for both of them.

 

[Trueblue25]

Wonder if we’ll utilize Dontae in the pass game more this year. The guy was actually pretty dangerous when given space to work and did some work for us when within the opposition’s 20

 

[PhatOrange]

Moe is going to stay at RB imo.

Nykiem Johnson I think pushes to start in the slot and Lutz (10.77) pushes Riley for time in the two deep. I'd watch Sharod Johnson (10.98) here to. I know he backed up Ish but he was recruited to play in the slot.

HCDB quote on Sharod (paraphrasing) was we want to get bigger in the slot but if we can't get bigger we need guys who are blurs and Sharod is a blur.