2021 NFL Thread

[Fireball Jr.]

 

[Alsacs]

If you put Herbert on the Dolphins I would think they are a strong contender in the AFC.

Taking Tua over Herbert if Tua doesn’t grow could be a franchise killer.

Herbert could become a top 10 QB in the league this year.

 

[NineOneSeven]

If you put Herbert on the Dolphins I would think they are a strong contender in the AFC.

Taking Tua over Herbert if Tua doesn’t grow could be a franchise killer.

Herbert could become a top 10 QB in the league this year.

Not could.

 

[Alsacs]

Not could.

He will be close this year. If Watson doesn’t play he probably makes it at 10
Mahomes
Brady
Rodgers
Wilson
(Watson)
Allen
Jackson
I think are locks

Then you got guys like Ryan, Stafford, Carr, Dak and Mayfield.

So I think Herbert could end up top 10 this year just not ready to give it yet. I like Burrow as well but he got hurt.

 

[Cusefan0307]

He will be close this year. If Watson doesn’t play he probably makes it at 10
Mahomes
Brady
Rodgers
Wilson
(Watson)
Allen
Jackson
I think are locks

Then you got guys like Ryan, Stafford, Carr, Dak and Mayfield.

So I think Herbert could end up top 10 this year just not ready to give it yet. I like Burrow as well but he got hurt.

Hard to have Lamar that high after being exposed in the playoffs every year.

 

[NineOneSeven]

He will be close this year. If Watson doesn’t play he probably makes it at 10
Mahomes
Brady
Rodgers
Wilson
(Watson)
Allen
Jackson
I think are locks

Then you got guys like Ryan, Stafford, Carr, Dak and Mayfield.

So I think Herbert could end up top 10 this year just not ready to give it yet. I like Burrow as well but he got hurt.

Very fair. I think Herbert is a lock. Dude is legit and clearly underrated going into the draft.

 

[Alsacs]

Hard to have Lamar that high after being exposed in the playoffs every year.

Jackson has a regular season MVP and still young enough to be duel threat.
He can’t pass the ball in the playoffs. That is a fair criticism but his regular seasons put him top 7 for me.
I don’t think he will last long if he doesn’t develop passing skills better.

 

[syrBossHogg]

Will be interesting to see the numbers, but I'm pumped!

 

[syrBossHogg]

 

[shandeezy7]

That's more guaranteed money than Mahomes, I believe.

 

[DMDMD]

That's more guaranteed money than Mahomes, I believe.

Mahomes contract is inventive. He's essentially paid in a series of roster bonuses that guarantee every March.

 

[shandeezy7]

Mahomes contract is inventive. He's essentially paid in a series of roster bonuses that guarantee every March.

True, he's actually relatively low on the fully-guaranteed scale.

 

[Alsacs]

That Allen contract makes you go whoa.
But I am guessing it’s the new market rate.

Crazy. 42 million a year for top QBs now.

 

[DMDMD]

True, he's actually relatively low on the fully-guaranteed scale.

IIRC every march the roster bonus for the 2 years ahead vests until the end of the contract when it becomes the next year's bonus. So a lot of it is defacto guaranteed, but it apparently allows the chiefs to move money from bonus category into salary category or vice versa to manipulate the cap number year to year as they need. Wonder if the bills will do the same?

 

[Briancuse]

That Allen contract makes you go whoa.
But I am guessing it’s the new market rate.

Crazy. 42 million a year for top QBs now.

It's about who is next up to get paid. I wonder what Strahan thinks of it. He was killing Daks deal last night.

 

[OrangeDW]

That Allen contract makes you go whoa.
But I am guessing it’s the new market rate.

Crazy. 42 million a year for top QBs now.

The money long ago went to an incomprehensible place to me. Unfortunately I really don’t have the life experience to discern what the practical difference between say $21 million and $42 million is. None of it feels real to me.

 

[Alsacs]

It's about who is next up to get paid. I wonder what Strahan thinks of it. He was killing Daks deal last night.

Dak’s deal is terrible. Cowboys screwed it up.
They only got 4 years. They are going to have to pay Dak again in 3 years.

The Bills and Chiefs extended before their guy’s 5th year.
So in essence they got an extra cheap year.
When you factor in that 5th option Allen’s deal is 7 years.
They won’t have to pay him again in 3 years.

Dak schooled the Cowboys in that negotiation for making him wait.
Allen and Mahomes got paid so they gave their teams longer deals.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Dak’s deal is terrible. Cowboys screwed it up.
They only got 4 years. They are going to have to pay Dak again in 3 years.

The Bills and Chiefs extended before their guy’s 5th year.
So in essence they got an extra cheap year.
When you factor in that 5th option Allen’s deal is 7 years.
They won’t have to pay him again in 3 years.

Dak schooled the Cowboys in that negotiation for making him wait.
Allen and Mahomes got paid so they gave their teams longer deals.

I don’t think either deal is awful (Dak or Allen) for each team.

Allen has proven durable and made the Bills offense very effective with a decent supporting cast. Seems logical to lock him up going into year 4

Dak is coming off a nasty injury and has had a sterling supporting cast (on offense) for his first 5 years. He was never going to sign longer than a 4 year deal so he didn’t give Dallas much choice.

Caving to his 4 year demand may turn out to help Dallas if he proves less effective as the offense turns over in the next 2-3 years (OL, RB, etc)

The Zeke and Jaylon deals kill Dallas exponentially more than Dak’s. On average, Dak will cost Dallas $3M/year less than Allen may cost Buffalo.

 

[Briancuse]

Dak’s deal is terrible. Cowboys screwed it up.
They only got 4 years. They are going to have to pay Dak again in 3 years.

The Bills and Chiefs extended before their guy’s 5th year.
So in essence they got an extra cheap year.
When you factor in that 5th option Allen’s deal is 7 years.
They won’t have to pay him again in 3 years.

Dak schooled the Cowboys in that negotiation for making him wait.
Allen and Mahomes got paid so they gave their teams longer deals.

No it's not years dont matter as much in an nfl contract as they do in other sports. Plus he's coming off a major injury. If Dak has a great few years and stays healthy he will get another contract. If not they will draft another QB.

 

[longislandcuse]

If you put Herbert on the Dolphins I would think they are a strong contender in the AFC.

Taking Tua over Herbert if Tua doesn’t grow could be a franchise killer.

Herbert could become a top 10 QB in the league this year.

So glad the Dolphins didn’t take Herbert, but Miami does still have quite a bit of ammo to either swing a trade or take another shot at a QB via trade up, should Tua not work out.

 

[Alsacs]

No it's not years dont matter as much in an nfl contract as they do in other sports. Plus he's coming off a major injury. If Dak has a great few years and stays healthy he will get another contract. If not they will draft another QB.

Years are how you spread a cap hit out.
Dak had major leverage on the Cowboys.
Allen and Mahomes have longer contracts to spread the bonus over the years.
Dak will have to get paid in 3 more
Years and he won’t have an incentive to do anything he doesn’t want to because Dallas franchised him already.
Allen and Mahomes contracts are basically frameworks for lifetime contracts.

 

[Alsacs]

So glad the Dolphins didn’t take Herbert, but Miami does still have quite a bit of ammo to either swing a trade or take another shot at a QB via trade up, should Tua not work out.

Miami has San Fran first pick in next 2 drafts.
San Fran has a good team. That pick is likely mid teens to 20s.
They traded their own first next year to Philadelphia.
Miami has a nice young core but those guys will need to be paid and they need a QB.
It wouldn’t shock me if Aaron Rodger ends up in Miami next year. Pulling a Brady going to the other conference in Florida. Tua does not scare me.

 

[syrBossHogg]

As the salary cap keeps increasing the top player salaries will also keep increasing. When the CBA was signed in 2011, the salary cap ceiling for that season was $120 million. For this season, it's $208.2 mil and it will go up even more after the new TV deal starts.

 

[Briancuse]

Years are how you spread a cap hit out.
Dak had major leverage on the Cowboys.
Allen and Mahomes have longer contracts to spread the bonus over the years.
Dak will have to get paid in 3 more
Years and he won’t have an incentive to do anything he doesn’t want to because Dallas franchised him already.
Allen and Mahomes contracts are basically frameworks for lifetime contracts.

The cap will go up in the upcoming years and they can always restructure. It's a lot of money but he's every bit as good as Josh Allen and probably better.

 

[Alsacs]

The cap will go up in the upcoming years and they can always restructure. It's a lot of money but he's every bit as good as Josh Allen and probably better.

Dak is not Josh Allen.
Allen has a stronger arm, better runner.
Dak is good but he is a bottom top 10 QB if he has support.

Allen showed a lot last year. I do think he will lose some success when Daboil gets a HC job but he is still his OC.

Dak will get paid twice because of his contract.