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[kirbivore]

Any reason to not reach out to these players???

Golf

 

[hoopsupstate]

There’s a reason early projections place us 11 out of 15 and behind BC.

 

[longtimefan]

There’s a reason early projections place us 11 out of 15 and behind BC.

Links?

 

[pearl31]

Links?

a (single) projection, think it was that Bart Torvik guy

 

[Orangezoo]

There’s a reason early projections place us 11 out of 15 and behind BC.

The bottom of the conference wouldn't be a surprise to me given the huge piece we didn't even try to replace.

That said with 6 frosh and a txfr it's almost impossible for the analytics driven guys to have a good read on a team.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Not saying we should be ranked high going into next year, but Bart Torvik is projecting Mintz to basically contribute nothing.

 

[Orangezoo]

Not saying we should be ranked high going into next year, but Bart Torvik is projecting Mintz to basically contribute nothing.

Yeah this exactly. Pretty much useless at this point. Great site once there is real data though.

 

[longtimefan]

a (single) projection, think it was that Bart Torvik guy

How reputable is he? The name is not familiar.

 

[pearl31]

How reputable is he? The name is not familiar.

he's basically kenpom with a slightly different formula - predictive analytics but like 0307 said above, total crapshoot trying to predict what incoming frosh will provide

 

[Sbucketball]

Exactly my first thought - he’s just ranking Cuse low because he’s counting out the freshmen since they weren’t 5-stars. He’s looking at Joe, Symir and Jesse as the only contributors, and assuming Benny doesn’t make a leap. He also spelled Symir wrong, and said this is a weird Cuse roster (which I disagree - I would say last year was a weird roster and this is a return to Cuse dna). I would be surprised if Cuse finished 12th, one spot behind BC. That would mean none of the freshmen or Benny contributed much.

 

[Giants1973]

Exactly my first thought - he’s just ranking Cuse low because he’s counting out the freshmen since they weren’t 5-stars. He’s looking at Joe, Symir and Jesse as the only contributors, and assuming Benny doesn’t make a leap. He also spelled Symir wrong, and said this is a weird Cuse roster (which I disagree - I would say last year was a weird roster and this is a return to Cuse dna). I would be surprised if Cuse finished 12th, one spot behind BC. That would mean none of the freshmen or Benny contributed much.

2 of freshman will play well. Benny will average 10 and 6

 

[Orangezoo]

2 of freshman will play well. Benny will average 10 and 6

And to be good we need one of the frosh to play really well.

 

[Niastri]

And to be good we need one of the frosh to play really well.

Not really... If Girard, Edwards and Torrence play to their previously observed peaks or get even better, the other rotation guys can be merely competent and we'll still be good. And that is counting Williams as a freshman. If he is everything we hoped for last year, the freshman can be outright bad and we'll be ok.

 

[Orangezoo]

Not really... If Girard, Edwards and Torrence play to their previously observed peaks or get even better, the other rotation guys can be merely competent and we'll still be good. And that is counting Williams as a freshman. If he is everything we hoped for last year, the freshman can be outright bad and we'll be ok.

Well Symir I am intrigued by but he isn't going to put up 10 plus a game much and won't be defended on the perimeter. If JB switches D so we can play 3gs sure otherwise it's not Symir that gets us there. It's one of the forward frosh stepping up in a big way by defending and hitting the open looks they will most definitely get.

Right now teams will use 5 guys to defend 4 or 3 vs us until they can't. So until they are forced to stay committed the open man must be effective. Defense will be the key for this team I feel early on. Offense will come along but Joe and Jesse are going to feel the vice grip for a while. I really think finding a way to have Mintz, Sy and Joe out there when a match up allows would help us a lot. That puts us in attack mode off the bounce and speeds up the attack eliminating things getting bogged down.

If Taylor or Bunch can hit 3 open looks a game or more then we are cooking with gas.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Not really... If Girard, Edwards and Torrence play to their previously observed peaks or get even better, the other rotation guys can be merely competent and we'll still be good. And that is counting Williams as a freshman. If he is everything we hoped for last year, the freshman can be outright bad and we'll be ok.

This isn’t correct at all, in my opinion. We’d need Joe to replicate the shooting of Buddy, Cole and himself. Unless Jesse shows out at twice what we saw last year, we need much more scoring. And if the new guys are only ’competent,‘ it’s going to be a long year.

 

[Orangezoo]

This isn’t correct at all, in my opinion. We’d need Joe to replicate the shooting of Buddy, Cole and himself. Unless Jesse shows out at twice what we saw last year, we need much more scoring. And if the new guys are only ’competent,‘ it’s going to be a long year.

Yep. This isn't being negative either. This is practical. Years like this are the times the zone can be an impediment to the program. The inflexibility is a limiting factor. Hence my jaw drops if we play 3gs and man but outside big frosh contributions we will be super limited and have a ton of weight on Joe and Jesse which I hate to see because with freedom to play their game they could thrive

 

[Sherman20]

There’s a reason early projections place us 11 out of 15 and behind BC.

Wow. We just keep falling lower every year.

 

[rrlbees]

This isn’t correct at all, in my opinion. We’d need Joe to replicate the shooting of Buddy, Cole and himself. Unless Jesse shows out at twice what we saw last year, we need much more scoring. And if the new guys are only ’competent,‘ it’s going to be a long year.

You’re assuming we will run the same exact offense which we won’t. This years team isn’t going to look anything like last years.

 

[longtimefan]

You’re assuming we will run the same exact offense which we won’t. This years team isn’t going to look anything like last years.

I expect this year's offense to run through Edwards, especially if he has continued the improvement he showed last season. If his scoring improves to the extent it needs to, he will get additional attention, including double teams. And he has shown the ability, in limited opportunities, to hit the open cutter (mostly Swider). The cutter would be a role Benny might aspire to.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

You’re assuming we will run the same exact offense which we won’t. This years team isn’t going to look anything like last years.

Yes, I am. Because that’s the offense JB runs. A new offense and man to man in the same year?


Watch out for those flying pigs.

 

[rrlbees]

Yes, I am. Because that’s the offense JB runs. A new offense and man to man in the same year?


Watch out for those flying pigs.

We have years where we take close to 800 3’s and years where it’s closer to 600. All depending on personnel. I expect it’ll be on the lower end this season unless Bunch and Taylor both shock the hell out of us.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Yes, I am. Because that’s the offense JB runs. A new offense and man to man in the same year?


Watch out for those flying pigs.

We’ve also run iso, motion, pick n roll, dribble drive, read n react etc in varying amounts during different seasons depending on personnel and ability to execute. In 2016 on the run to the final 4, JB used what they called the Orange 23 offense. (Link below for on an analysis for it) SU hasn’t been a one trick pony on offense in addition to what Bees noted about our varying dependence on 3 point shooting over the past few decades.

Jim Boeheim Syracuse 23 Orange Offense | Basketball Set Plays

Basketball Set Plays | Jim Boeheim Syracuse 23 Orange Offense

www.mensbasketballhoopscoop.com

 

[hoopsupstate]

I expect this year's offense to run through Edwards, especially if he has continued the improvement he showed last season. If his scoring improves to the extent it needs to, he will get additional attention, including double teams. And he has shown the ability, in limited opportunities, to hit the open cutter (mostly Swider). The cutter would be a role Benny might aspire to.

Jessie has proved he can catch and score, but he has not shown much of a back to the basket game.

 

[pearl31]

Jesse.

 

[Niastri]

Yes, I am. Because that’s the offense JB runs. A new offense and man to man in the same year?


Watch out for those flying pigs.

The year of the Chukwu/Howard stand out beyond the three point circle doing nothing offense looked nothing like the Buddy isolation offense which looked nothing like the Rautins/Cooney running miles and miles off screens motion offense which looked nothing like the Christmas every possession post up offense which will look nothing like this upcoming year's offense.

Sure, it's still five on five basketball, but other than that, so the basic skills/strategies of the game is the same. But, we play different offenses every year depending on our skills or lack thereof.