2023 NFL Thread

[Cusefan0307]

What was wrong with Goff ?

Could have had a bigger day. Missed open throws. Only graded better than Stroud, Purdy, and Love according to PFF.

 

[bpo57]

I think it's about time it's a penalty for the ball carrier to get a penalty for straight arming a defensive player in the face. I'm all for the straight arm but to the face region. It's a penalty everywhere else.

Another one of the NFL rules that makes no sense.

 

[shandeezy7]

Football is the ultimate team game. Not sure Allen could have done much more. No doubt the defense just hasn't gotten the job done (of course they were banged up this postseason). Allen was the reason why those games were even competitive. Surprised he's not getting blamed for the missed FG attempt.

Josh in his last 4 playoff losses has accounted for 1,320 yards (330 yards/game), 64% completion percentage, 10 touchdowns and 2 turnovers.

In those same 4 losses, the defense has faced 38 offensive drives and given up the following:
16 touchdowns
8 field goals
6 punts
6 kneeldowns/end of half
1 missed field goal
2 turnovers
134 points allowed (3.52 points per drive!)

But it's Josh's fault, obviously. 63% of the defensive possessions in those 4 games have ended in points for the opponent. 6 punts in 4 games is atrocious. With a "defensive specialist" as head coach.

 

[Newhouser]

Josh in his last 4 playoff losses has accounted for 1,320 yards (330 yards/game), 64% completion percentage, 10 touchdowns and 2 turnovers.

In those same 4 losses, the defense has faced 38 offensive drives and given up the following:
16 touchdowns
8 field goals
6 punts
6 kneeldowns/end of half
1 missed field goal
2 turnovers
134 points allowed (3.52 points per drive!)

But it's Josh's fault, obviously. 63% of the defensive possessions in those 4 games have ended in points for the opponent. 6 punts is 4 games in atrocious. With a "defensive specialist" as head coach.

Not a Bills fan but in watching the Bengal loss last year and the Chiefs this year, the DL is way overrated. They weren't banged up this year and got beat up by the Chiefs. Also gotta say the home field Bills mafia advantage is hype. Good teams used to cold weather don't get impacted by that stuff.

 

[shandeezy7]

Not a Bills fan but in watching the Bengal loss last year and the Chiefs this year, the DL is way overrated. They weren't banged up this year and got beat up by the Chiefs. Also gotta say the home field Bills mafia advantage is hype. Good teams used to cold weather don't get impacted by that stuff.

The DL definitely seems to be reliable in getting abused when it matters the most.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The DL definitely seems to be reliable in getting abused when it matters the most.

Seems to me McDermott prefers to build his defense more around speed and that leaves them susceptible to getting pushed around against teams that dedicate themselves to running.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Josh in his last 4 playoff losses has accounted for 1,320 yards (330 yards/game), 64% completion percentage, 10 touchdowns and 2 turnovers.

In those same 4 losses, the defense has faced 38 offensive drives and given up the following:
16 touchdowns
8 field goals
6 punts
6 kneeldowns/end of half
1 missed field goal
2 turnovers
134 points allowed (3.52 points per drive!)

But it's Josh's fault, obviously. 63% of the defensive possessions in those 4 games have ended in points for the opponent. 6 punts in 4 games is atrocious. With a "defensive specialist" as head coach.

Obviously those Ls are to good to great teams, but that is ridiculous.

 

[shandeezy7]

Obviously those Ls are to good to great teams, but that is ridiculous.

Right. And Josh shows up against those great teams while the defense implodes and for some reason Josh takes the heat while the defense skates. Mind boggling.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Right. And Josh shows up against those great teams while the defense implodes and for some reason Josh takes the heat while the defense skates. Mind boggling.

I think Allen has been great in the playoffs, but when you get in these games you're splitting hairs when being compared against the best of the best. That's just the reality of it. So while Allen has been great outside of last year against Cincinnati, Mahomes has been just a wee bit better.

It's also hard to win in the playoffs. Drew Brees lost multiple games in the playoffs throwing for over 300 yards and multiple touchdowns because the defense didn't show up including a game he had nearly 500 yards and 4 touchdowns because they couldn't stop Colin Kaepernick. Aaron Rodgers had a couple of similar games. Weird things happen in the postseason.

 

[shandeezy7]

I think Allen has been great in the playoffs, but when you get in these games you're splitting hairs when being compared against the best of the best. That's just the reality of it. So while Allen has been great outside of last year against Cincinnati, Mahomes has been just a wee bit better.

It's also hard to win in the playoffs. Drew Brees lost multiple games in the playoffs throwing for over 300 yards and multiple touchdowns because the defense didn't show up including a game he had nearly 500 yards and 4 touchdowns because they couldn't stop Colin Kaepernick. Aaron Rodgers had a couple of similar games. Weird things happen in the postseason.

Agreed, it's very hard and he's lost to an all-time great three times in the playoffs. I just don't get all of the hate because of that.

 

[BuffOrange]

Josh in his last 4 playoff losses has accounted for 1,320 yards (330 yards/game), 64% completion percentage, 10 touchdowns and 2 turnovers.

In those same 4 losses, the defense has faced 38 offensive drives and given up the following:
16 touchdowns
8 field goals
6 punts
6 kneeldowns/end of half
1 missed field goal
2 turnovers
134 points allowed (3.52 points per drive!)

But it's Josh's fault, obviously. 63% of the defensive possessions in those 4 games have ended in points for the opponent. 6 punts in 4 games is atrocious. With a "defensive specialist" as head coach.

 

[BuffOrange]

Fangio out in Miami to Philly it sounds like. Best news I've heard all week.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Not a Bills fan but in watching the Bengal loss last year and the Chiefs this year, the DL is way overrated. They weren't banged up this year and got beat up by the Chiefs. Also gotta say the home field Bills mafia advantage is hype. Good teams used to cold weather don't get impacted by that stuff.

Overall home field advantage in the NFL is becoming less and less of an issue. In certain done stadiums due to the sound being contained, it can get so noisy at times that false starts can be an issue necessitating silent counts. Even then, the fans just can’t keep up that energy.

As far as the D line, it’s not that good., it can be run on. It can be shut down in terms of pass rush for games at a time. Their defense is predicated on containment and preventing big plays with the belief most offenses won’t be able to consistently drive the length of the field without a negative drive killing play or penalty. It’s not a defense based on aggression or individual talent

 

[upperdeck]

I might be in the minority, but I like the “fumble through the endzone is a touchback” rule.

Nothing wrong with the rule. It happens so few times and why do we want to reward the team that does it any more, than not the team that caused it?

Do we change all the fumble rules? The ball always comes back to where its fumbled and not where its recovered?

 

[bpo57]

Nothing wrong with the rule. It happens so few times and why do we want to reward the team that does it any more, than not the team that caused it?

Do we change all the fumble rules? The ball always comes back to where its fumbled and not where its recovered?

I hate the rule. It's one of the dumbest in all of sports.

You fumble just to the left of the pylon (while running left) and you get the ball at the one foot line. You fumble to the right inside the pylon and out of bounds through the end zone then you lose the ball and the other team gets gifted 20 yards, too. The correct approach should have the offensive team keep the ball but move it back out to the 20.

To give the defense a fumble they never recovered and 20 yards as well is asinine. Sounds to me like a rules committee meeting fueled by massive cocaine consumption.

 

[upperdeck]

I hate the rule. It's one of the dumbest in all of sports.

You fumble just to the left of the pylon (while running left) and you get the ball at the one foot line. You fumble to the right inside the pylon and out of bounds through the end zone then you lose the ball and the other team gets gifted 20 yards, too. The correct approach should have the offensive team keep the ball but move it back out to the 20.

To give the defense a fumble they never recovered and 20 yards as well is asinine. Sounds to me like a rules committee meeting fueled by massive cocaine consumption.

is it a leftover from the original rules though when you had to actually touchdown the ball?

 

[bpo57]

is it a leftover from the original rules though when you had to actually touchdown the ball?

The NFL has already indicated that they will review the rule in the off-season. Highly likely the rule will be changed because most everybody hates it.

 

[upperdeck]

The NFL has already indicated that they will review the rule in the off-season. Highly likely the rule will be changed because most everybody hates it.

I dont see why people hate it..

Do we hate the basketball rule when the ball goes out of bounds?

It would make more sense to me that if you fumble the ball anywhere and it goes out of bounds you lose the ball.

 

[bpo57]

I dont see why people hate it..

Do we hate the basketball rule when the ball goes out of bounds?

It would make more sense to me that if you fumble the ball anywhere and it goes out of bounds you lose the ball.

The reasons why it is hated are obvious and pretty well known.

 

[upperdeck]

The reasons why it is hated are obvious and pretty well known.

Its been a rule for a long long time.. why is it only the last few years that people have started to complain?

I ask again, what is wrong with rewarding the defense for the offense losing the ball OB just like we do it in basketball or hockey or soccer or lacrosse or most all sports?

 

[shandeezy7]

Its been a rule for a long long time.. why is it only the last few years that people have started to complain?

I ask again, what is wrong with rewarding the defense for the offense losing the ball OB just like we do it in basketball or hockey or soccer or lacrosse or most all sports?

I’m indifferent but it’s not the same. If you lose it out of bounds outside of the end zone, you just get the ball where it went out (or where you fumbled it). The penalty changes if you fumble it out of the end zone. Not apples to apples.

 

[upperdeck]

I’m indifferent but it’s not the same. If you lose it out of bounds outside of the end zone, you just get the ball where it went out (or where you fumbled it). The penalty changes if you fumble it out of the end zone. Not apples to apples.

Which is why I think the penalty for losing it should always be a turnover.. We should not be rewarding the offense for a mistake.

But we have that same issue with other things that happen.

When you commit a penalty some are enforced from the spot some from the LOS.. Some in the endzone change the location. So its ok to change the rules on how some things are enforced and not others and in this case a penalty results in actual pts..

Holding down field goes to the spot. Behind the line goes to the LOS.. In the endzone becomes pts? Its changes 3 ways?

 

[BuffOrange]

Not a Bills fan but in watching the Bengal loss last year and the Chiefs this year, the DL is way overrated. They weren't banged up this year and got beat up by the Chiefs. Also gotta say the home field Bills mafia advantage is hype. Good teams used to cold weather don't get impacted by that stuff.

Overall home field advantage in the NFL is becoming less and less of an issue. In certain done stadiums due to the sound being contained, it can get so noisy at times that false starts can be an issue necessitating silent counts. Even then, the fans just can’t keep up that energy.

Ask ten random fans/pundits what the best homefields are. Probably nine of them will mention Seattle & KC. One has a better road record the last six years, the other is one game worse than their home record. That's overrated.

 

[Cusefan0307]

If the defense doesn’t recover the fumble and it goes out of bounds the ball should be placed where the fumble occurred.

 

[bpo57]

Its been a rule for a long long time.. why is it only the last few years that people have started to complain?

I ask again, what is wrong with rewarding the defense for the offense losing the ball OB just like we do it in basketball or hockey or soccer or lacrosse or most all sports?

You've got it backwards. We're actually rewarding the defense by giving them the ball AND an additional 20 yards even though they did not recover the fumble.