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"BYU quarterback Jake Retzlaff is planning to transfer from the school, sources confirmed to ESPN on Sunday. He is facing a suspension after admitting to premarital sex, a violation of the school's honor code that surfaced during his response to a civil lawsuit..."

An honor code written by King Hammurabi. What a heathen Retzlaff is to think he can engage in such a wanton and profane act in an unconsecrated relationship. For shame for shame!!!
He’s lucky though - a few years ago the penalty for such carnal acts was a swift and sure stoning. He’s getting off easy (so to speak).
 
CA Monk said:
"BYU quarterback Jake Retzlaff is planning to transfer from the school, sources confirmed to ESPN on Sunday. He is facing a suspension after admitting to premarital sex, a violation of the school's honor code that surfaced during his response to a civil lawsuit..."

An honor code written by King Hammurabi. What a heathen Retzlaff is to think he can engage in such a wanton and profane act in an unconsecrated relationship. For shame for shame!!!
He’s lucky though - a few years ago the penalty for such carnal acts was a swift and sure stoning. He’s getting off easy (so to speak).
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That quote seems to seriously downplay the rape allegation
 
CA Monk said:
"BYU quarterback Jake Retzlaff is planning to transfer from the school, sources confirmed to ESPN on Sunday. He is facing a suspension after admitting to premarital sex, a violation of the school's honor code that surfaced during his response to a civil lawsuit..."

An honor code written by King Hammurabi. What a heathen Retzlaff is to think he can engage in such a wanton and profane act in an unconsecrated relationship. For shame for shame!!!
He’s lucky though - a few years ago the penalty for such carnal acts was a swift and sure stoning. He’s getting off easy (so to speak).
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As a BYU alum, there are parts of BYU's Honor Code I disagree with, but the University takes Honor Code violations seriously in part because all students are very clear on the commitments they make when they agree to the Honor Code.

Is it very atypical of what many consider to be the college experience? Absolutely. But it is a University backed by a religion and for many things in the Honor Code it's consistent with things asked of the general church's membership's conduct.

Certainly, BYU gets accused of preferential treatment of athletes at times, but they also have a history of enforcing the Honor Code when it's not convenient (see Brandon Davies during Jimmer's big year in hoops). With a case like this, there's no way they were going to look the other way. Regardless of whether Ratzlaff is guilty of what he was accused of, he knew by coming to BYU what the Honor Code was and meant for his time there, and he admitted to not keeping his commitments.

Last thought on BYU's Honor Code - in some cases it's actually a recruiting tool. For athletes the pitch is that you can be in an environment that is 100% dedicated to your positive development as a player and student. It can be attractive to a person with a certain type of focus.
 
OrangeTarheel said:
That quote seems to seriously downplay the rape allegation
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I originally placed this post in its own thread entitled "Meanwhile, Back in 1952...BC," but the mods moved it here so it appears I was piggybacking on this serious charge. Nope. Rape is intolerable.

However sex is irresistible (mostly) and I find it humorously archaic that it is sequestered and prohibited just when you're awash in its potent triggers. I mean I've heard that sex is a nice thing that can be shared and enjoyed rather than repressed and forbidden. Institutions can do as they like within the law, i just think this honor code is laugh out loud (snicker out loud at least) moralizing and I'm sure there are many coeds who flout this Victorian/religious restriction. BTW, if you feel differently that's fine. Whatever works for you.
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I didn't include the rape allegation because, irrespective of the circumstance, Mr. Retzlaff still would've been compelled to separate or suffer a penalty from the university for bumping uglies. Seems ludicrous and anachronistic under that circumstances (discovered to have had consensual sex).

We're a long way from SU Football fandom here.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
As a BYU alum, there are parts of BYU's Honor Code I disagree with, but the University takes Honor Code violations seriously in part because all students are very clear on the commitments they make when they agree to the Honor Code.

Is it very atypical of what many consider to be the college experience? Absolutely. But it is a University backed by a religion and for many things in the Honor Code it's consistent with things asked of the general church's membership's conduct.

Certainly, BYU gets accused of preferential treatment of athletes at times, but they also have a history of enforcing the Honor Code when it's not convenient (see Brandon Davies during Jimmer's big year in hoops). With a case like this, there's no way they were going to look the other way. Regardless of whether Ratzlaff is guilty of what he was accused of, he knew by coming to BYU what the Honor Code was and meant for his time there, and he admitted to not keeping his commitments.

Last thought on BYU's Honor Code - in some cases it's actually a recruiting tool. For athletes the pitch is that you can be in an environment that is 100% dedicated to your positive development as a player and student. It can be attractive to a person with a certain type of focus.
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Always look forward to your posts for balance, insight and some chuckles.
 
CA Monk said:
I originally placed this post in its own thread entitled "Meanwhile, Back in 1952...BC," but the mods moved it here so it appears I was piggybacking on this serious charge. Nope. Rape is intolerable.

However sex is irresistible (mostly) and I find it humorously archaic that it is sequestered and prohibited just when you're awash in its potent triggers. I mean I've heard that sex is a nice thing that can be shared and enjoyed rather than repressed and forbidden. Institutions can do as they like within the law, i just think this honor code is laugh out loud (snicker out loud at least) moralizing and I'm sure there are many coeds who flout this Victorian/religious restriction. BTW, if you feel differently that's fine. Whatever works for you.
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I didn't include the rape allegation because, irrespective of the circumstance, Mr. Retzlaff still would've been compelled to separate or suffer a penalty from the university for bumping uglies. Seems ludicrous and anachronistic under that circumstances (discovered to have had consensual sex).

We're a long way from SU Football fandom here.
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Oh yeah, and I didn’t mean to suggest you were approving of that quote.

To play devils advocate - being married used to mean there was some financial support in place in case a baby appeared. With the prevalence of birth control options waiting for marriage does seem a bit archaic.

I had to scroll back to the top to see what this thread was supposed to be about. Portals indeed!
 
orange126 said:
Always look forward to your posts for balance, insight and some chuckles.
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Appreciate that, thank you.

You won't hear me disagree with anyone that thinks BYU's Honor Code is old fashioned. It definitely is. That's kind of the point, at least in part, to be honest.

But it's not a secret. Nobody should be caught off guard or misunderstand what it commits incoming and current students to.

It's not for everybody, and certainly not every student keeps the commitments as they claimed they would. In some cases it's honest circumstances of young people getting into stuff prohibited by the Honor Code (it also includes abstaining from alcohol and drugs, for example), and hopefully that gets worked out in a way that doesn't harm the student's academic progress and permits them to continue their studies at BYU. In other cases there are students that agree to the Honor Code with no intention of keeping it. I don't really understand the thinking there, because there are WAY more stereotypical party schools one could go to, but that's a choice some make.

I will say though, for the most part the students BYU has are there because they want to be, understand the Honor Code, and don't have any problems living by it.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
Appreciate that, thank you.

You won't hear me disagree with anyone that thinks BYU's Honor Code is old fashioned. It definitely is. That's kind of the point, at least in part, to be honest.

But it's not a secret. Nobody should be caught off guard or misunderstand what it commits incoming and current students to.

It's not for everybody, and certainly not every student keeps the commitments as they claimed they would. In some cases it's honest circumstances of young people getting into stuff prohibited by the Honor Code (it also includes abstaining from alcohol and drugs, for example), and hopefully that gets worked out in a way that doesn't harm the student's academic progress and permits them to continue their studies at BYU. In other cases there are students that agree to the Honor Code with no intention of keeping it. I don't really understand the thinking there, because there are WAY more stereotypical party schools one could go to, but that's a choice some make.

I will say though, for the most part the students BYU has are there because they want to be, understand the Honor Code, and don't have any problems living by it.
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There's really nothing wrong with upholding an agreement that you enter into as long as you understand all the circumstances.
It's the same as when I entered the Army Security Service in 1964. I realized that once I completed my training that I wasn't able to talk about it outside of my base .
 
baggerbob said:
There's really nothing wrong with upholding an agreement that you enter into as long as you understand all the circumstances.
It's the same as when I entered the Army Security Service in 1964. I realized that once I completed my training that I wasn't able to talk about it outside of my base .
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Did you just violate the non-disclosure rule?
 

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