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[RyanCuse44]

It just goes to show how much money was made from the players activities for all these decades.

A quick google search shows that the television rights to just the NCAA Tournament is worth $1.8 billion annually. The NFL players get 48% of that revenue. If the rosters of the 68 teams in the NCAA tournament got 48% of just the TV rights revenue, they would be paid over $977k per player. That doesn’t count any other source of revenue… The players are dramatically underpaid, even now.

Players that have gone to the Blue Blood schools have been getting paid for years way before this illegally, which the NCAA did nothing about.

 

[Niastri]

Players that have gone to the Blue Blood schools have been getting paid for years way before this illegally, which the NCAA did nothing about.

They’ve been getting paid in $1000 per month car leases, unlimited bar tabs and $1000 birthday cards, when their actual worth was 1000s of times that much.

 

[RyanCuse44]

They’ve been getting paid in $1000 per month car leases, unlimited bar tabs and $1000 birthday cards, when their actual worth was 1000s of times that much.

Oh I bet kids going to Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, and others were getting A LOT more than that, plus helping parents get jobs or fake jobs, housing, etc.

 

[nocohalo]

The tv rights revenue funds the other sports and divisions. Players knew this was the agreement and social norm when they wanted to play college basketball and football. You always had the option to immediately go pro or play in a different pro league out of hs. Any player getting money beyond their scholarship, stipend, meals and housing is overpaid.

 

[Niastri]

The tv rights revenue funds the other sports and divisions. Players knew this was the agreement and social norm when they wanted to play college basketball and football. You always had the option to immediately go pro or play in a different pro league out of hs. Any player getting money beyond their scholarship, stipend, meals and housing is overpaid.

I won’t go point by point over how absurd I find your comments. That is all.

 

[hoopsupstate]

It just goes to show how much money was made from the players activities for all these decades.

A quick google search shows that the television rights to just the NCAA Tournament is worth $1.8 billion annually. The NFL players get 48% of that revenue. If the rosters of the 68 teams in the NCAA tournament got 48% of just the TV rights revenue, they would be paid over $977k per player. That doesn’t count any other source of revenue… The players are dramatically underpaid, even now.

The tv money for professional sports is just for one sport. All sports have to be funded in college.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I won’t go point by point over how absurd I find your comments. That is all.

Some of that was true. Some was false (depending on the era). Some was opinion.

re: the 'Social Norm' thing, though—should Little Leaguers get paid? There's hotdog, sodiepop, and popcorn revenue to divvy up. Profit margin on that stuff is pretty high. Texas high school football—they fill pretty good sized stadiums. 16-year olds deserve a cut of the box office, no?

isn't there a thing in corporations and universities, where if you create something while employed/enrolled, using corporate or university equipment, that product belongs to the corporation or university? The 'social' and legal norm was that schools were a training and educational platform, not a revenue sharing vehicle. And, as an educational device, it's responsible for the entirety of the student body, not just the part that generates the most revenue.

 

[nocohalo]

I don't have any issue with the true spirit of NIL. Commercials, memorabilia, autographs, promotional things etc. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. Aside from that, players are getting more than their fair value through the amenities provided by their scholarships. There's a part of me that wants to see a worst case scenario where all olympic sports get scrapped because of this nonsense. When everyone sees us get humiliated at the olympics maybe this "think of the poor players!" dynamic will cease to exist.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It just goes to show how much money was made from the players activities for all these decades.

A quick google search shows that the television rights to just the NCAA Tournament is worth $1.8 billion annually. The NFL players get 48% of that revenue. If the rosters of the 68 teams in the NCAA tournament got 48% of just the TV rights revenue, they would be paid over $977k per player. That doesn’t count any other source of revenue… The players are dramatically underpaid, even now.

This is a great post.

The human brain can't fathom the degree of financial exploitation that existed pre-NIL.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The tv rights revenue funds the other sports and divisions. Players knew this was the agreement and social norm when they wanted to play college basketball and football. You always had the option to immediately go pro or play in a different pro league out of hs. Any player getting money beyond their scholarship, stipend, meals and housing is overpaid.

On the opposite end, this is not a great post.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

On the opposite end, this is not a great post.

 

[FireballPhil]

On the opposite end, this is not a great post.

I slightly disgree. This has been hashed over and over but the issue for years is that those under scholarship were never allowed to make any money at all, not necessarily NIL. When you have a player, say like Billy who was paid a minimal sum to ref games at the local Y cause sanctions on the school that was a problem. The kids are supposed to be in school for an education and in return for their play everything related to school was paid for. They are not there to essentially make college sports minor league teams for the pros.

TV rights are paid because the studios get a ton more money in advertising fees than they pay out. That is their business. Do they make a ton off the college athlete? Absolutely, but they are also for profit institutions. To say college players deserve a piece of the pie because they play the sport being aired is not dissimilar to someone who is sick asking the drug companies to pay them for taking their drug, as the curing effect on ones health creates an atmosphere of trust and people flock to the drug boosting profits. Both industries rake in billions each year off the backs of normal hard working people. So how can you say that just because someone is an athlete they deserve NIL, but someone in any other industry does not?

In a free market economy, companies make decisions to advance as much as possible the revenue stream. Walmart, Amazon, Insurance, Sports, Grocery-including all aspects of the food industry-, are all in the game to make a profit. Do you expect the grocery store to pay you every time you tell someone you shop at Wegmans, or bought that off Amazon, or bought a car from this dealership, or you took a drug that saved your life and you spread the news on how good the drug was for you?

Yes, the money made off these kids, and really the population as a whole is obscene. Our internet, cable, streaming costs are high because they pay for the right to broadcast the game. The end result is you and I pay more because we demand to watch the sport and are willing to pay for it. Is it right for a player to not get paid for making ESPN rich? Is it right that I go to work every day and make my salary while my corporation rakes in billions per year? Why shouldn't I get a bigger piece of the pie? Just because I don't play sports? If they had sports at the plant, would I get paid more? If I join the Y and play in their league, should I get paid? If you say no, why not?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I slightly disgree. This has been hashed over and over but the issue for years is that those under scholarship were never allowed to make any money at all, not necessarily NIL. When you have a player, say like Billy who was paid a minimal sum to ref games at the local Y cause sanctions on the school that was a problem. The kids are supposed to be in school for an education and in return for their play everything related to school was paid for. They are not there to essentially make college sports minor league teams for the pros.

TV rights are paid because the studios get a ton more money in advertising fees than they pay out. That is their business. Do they make a ton off the college athlete? Absolutely, but they are also for profit institutions. To say college players deserve a piece of the pie because they play the sport being aired is not dissimilar to someone who is sick asking the drug companies to pay them for taking their drug, as the curing effect on ones health creates an atmosphere of trust and people flock to the drug boosting profits. Both industries rake in billions each year off the backs of normal hard working people. So how can you say that just because someone is an athlete they deserve NIL, but someone in any other industry does not?

In a free market economy, companies make decisions to advance as much as possible the revenue stream. Walmart, Amazon, Insurance, Sports, Grocery-including all aspects of the food industry-, are all in the game to make a profit. Do you expect the grocery store to pay you every time you tell someone you shop at Wegmans, or bought that off Amazon, or bought a car from this dealership, or you took a drug that saved your life and you spread the news on how good the drug was for you?

Yes, the money made off these kids, and really the population as a whole is obscene. Our internet, cable, streaming costs are high because they pay for the right to broadcast the game. The end result is you and I pay more because we demand to watch the sport and are willing to pay for it. Is it right for a player to not get paid for making ESPN rich? Is it right that I go to work every day and make my salary while my corporation rakes in billions per year? Why shouldn't I get a bigger piece of the pie? Just because I don't play sports? If they had sports at the plant, would I get paid more? If I join the Y and play in their league, should I get paid? If you say no, why not?

Gonna be honest, you completely lost me with the comparison you're making. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Niastri]

Gonna be honest, you completely lost me with the comparison you're making. It doesn't make sense to me.

I agree, a better comparison would be athletes to movie stars.

Or, of course, to professionals in the same sport. Nobody blinks an eye at the Max contracts players get in the NBA. The NCAA makes almost as much money on basketball as the NBA. Yet people are astonished at the top players making $6 million for a season now that there is a free market?

The thing that stinks is that the NCAA and the schools are still pocketing all the actual revenue, and fans are picking up the bulk of the players salaries.

I guess it was coming from us one way or the other, but it seems much more honest the way the pro leagues do it. We pay to watch the players, they get some of the money.

In college, we pay to watch the players play, all the money goes to the school or the NCAA, then we also donate to pay the players. The law suit settlement is a step closer to the way it eventually will need to be.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The thing that stinks is that the NCAA and the schools are still pocketing all the actual revenue, and fans are picking up the bulk of the players salaries.

I guess it was coming from us one way or the other, but it seems much more honest the way the pro leagues do it. We pay to watch the players, they get some of the money.

Yeah, this is the part of NIL that's turned out to be total horse manure.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I agree, a better comparison would be athletes to movie stars.

Or, of course, to professionals in the same sport. Nobody blinks an eye at the Max contracts players get in the NBA. The NCAA makes almost as much money on basketball as the NBA. Yet people are astonished at the top players making $6 million for a season now that there is a free market?

The thing that stinks is that the NCAA and the schools are still pocketing all the actual revenue, and fans are picking up the bulk of the players salaries.

I guess it was coming from us one way or the other, but it seems much more honest the way the pro leagues do it. We pay to watch the players, they get some of the money.

In college, we pay to watch the players play, all the money goes to the school or the NCAA, then we also donate to pay the players. The law suit settlement is a step closer to the way it eventually will need to be.

But many are still in debt up to their ears.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Wonder what more moves will happen when players who are in the nba draft and the transfer portal decide to return to college. Are teams saving places for them just in case???

 

[RF2044]

Wonder what more moves will happen when players who are in the nba draft and the transfer portal decide to return to college. Are teams saving places for them just in case???

For the right player, they will. Others could be SOL.

 

[FireballPhil]

Gonna be honest, you completely lost me with the comparison you're making. It doesn't make sense to me.

my point is simply that being a basketball player is one occupation. To say there should be an NIL structure just because they are the players on the team is insane. You can extrapolate that to every other profession, as they all have "superstars". People are focusing only on the entertainment industry, especially when you compare movie stars to players. Does Taylor Swifts band get paid as much as she does? It takes them all to be a team and put on a show. If you have superstar salesmen should they get NIL? All areas of work has different incentive systems but we forget that these guys and gals are college students. They get a bunch of stuff for free in exchange for playing the sport. The schools make money and then fund scholarships. Or improve dorms. Or whatever, trying to improve the livelihood of all students, just not a few players.Are they being taken advantage of because companies are making money off of them? No because they are not supposed to be professionals. they are supposed to be students. Who get an education while refining and honing their skills. They have stepped up in serious talent level steps because not every high school kid is good enough to go to a D1 school. But they aren't professionals. If they can prove they have learned and honed their skill to a more elite level, it will become their job, and then they will get the pay and bonuses. It is very sad that a college kid is making 100x more than most people on this board and throughout the world. It is sad that those who don't have the money end up paying more because they jack up prices on everything, including sports. I am even more sorry it doesn't make sense to you, because the world needs more empathy. Are we, by pushing NIL, taking away the last few years of true fun before they have to actually work? The great majority are not going to be pros. So let them be college students.

 

[nocohalo]

Again, the only way it reverts is letting it continue and resulting in Olympic sports getting eradicated. Only then will the people who think it's a great idea learn.

 

[ar inj]

The great majority are not going to be pros. So let them be college students.

They are being allowed to be college students and like all other students they are being allowed to make a buck in whatever it is they do when they are not a student.

Now we can certainly discuss the utterly absurd amounts of money that are changing hands and most everything else about the current “system.”

 

[djcon57]

Again, the only way it reverts is letting it continue and resulting in Olympic sports getting eradicated. Only then will the people who think it's a great idea learn.

Learn that the general public doesn’t really care about Olympic sports or even the Olympics in 2025?

 

[longtimefan]

Learn that the general public doesn’t really care about Olympic sports or even the Olympics in 2025?

If we start flopping in the Olympics, the nativist/nationalist Yahoos among us chanting "USA! USA!" (like the FL Panther fans taunting the Leafs, although Toronto has twice as many Americans on its roster) might have second thoughts.

 

[Sherman20]

They’ve been getting paid in $1000 per month car leases, unlimited bar tabs and $1000 birthday cards, when their actual worth was 1000s of times that much.

I guess you never heard of Will Wade’s “strong ass offer.” Parents of players receiving jobs, cars, bags of cash. It was way more than unlimited bar tabs.

 

[FireballPhil]

They are being allowed to be college students and like all other students they are being allowed to make a buck in whatever it is they do when they are not a student.

Now we can certainly discuss the utterly absurd amounts of money that are changing hands and most everything else about the current “system.”

oh I agree. The whole Billy at the Y thing was ridiculous. Over $100? Really? Yes it led to cheating by certain schools, and yes that part of the rule needed changed. Shame on the NCAA for letting it get this bad.