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2024 Preseason Thread

Consigliere said:
And no professional football teams based in Buffalo.?
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The only football team whose corporate headquarters that is based in New York is the Buffalo Bills.

Both the New York Giants and New York Jets corporate offices are in New Jersey.
 
This seems like a big ask for the SU offense.

You would be asking for all the returning players to equal or exceed their point totals, and for Mule (73), English (20) and Stevens (29) to outscore the point totals of Simmons (36) and Kirst (37) and Cook (14). I am a little dubious that Mule will be able to equal his scoring total from last year (given the competition upgrade), but I also think English, especially, and Stevens should score more than they did last year. That said, it would be an increase of 35 points.

Where the other 78 come from? If the returning starters from last year each score five more points than they did last year, which I think seems kind of reasonable to assume, they would still be 48 points off. If they each score 10 extra points (possible, certainly), they would still be 18 points off. Maybe I have my math off. Perhaps a combination of Deere, Kohn and Olexo moving back to LSM makes up the shortfall. They could get close but it's a tall mountain to climb, especially with their schedule.

Arestia makes all the arguments for why it could happen, I think it mostly hinges on Kohn winning a LOT more face-offs. Fingers crossed, as you'd think SU would be a lot better for it.
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"Syracuse will score more points than any team in school history​

Maybe the tallest of all tall orders we’re making here. In 1986, Syracuse played 17 games and, as a team, scored 260 goals and 198 assists, that’s 458 points. The most points in school history in a single season. The Roy Simmons Jr led Orange actually lost in the Final Four that season, losing a close one to UVA. Syracuse had an attackman you may have heard of, John Zulberti, who put up 74 points as a freshman, a Cuse record that still stands. Last year, Syracuse had 345 points. That’s a big gap to get to 458. Where will those 123 points come from? A few places. The transfer portal, where Jake Stevens, Sam English and Christian Mule bring their points to the Orange. Mule alone had 73 a year ago with Lehigh. The portal also will deliver some extra possessions courtesy of faceoff specialist Mason Kohn coming from Tufts. The new guys, like Trey Deere who will arrive on campus as one of the most skilled players on the team. And of course, the growth of players who are already there. Joey Spallina spent his summer in Orangeville, honing indoor lacrosse skills in the OJLL, where he had 148 points in 32 games, 4th in the league. His teammate at Cuse, Finn Thomson, led the OJLL in scoring with 170 points in 27 games. A pair of Cuse weapons return to school for their sophomore seasons having combined for 318 points indoors over the summer. I look across that list and I see a team that can score 100 more points than they did a year ago."

 
Powellfan said:
This seems like a big ask for the SU offense.

You would be asking for all the returning players to equal or exceed their point totals, and for Mule (73), English (20) and Stevens (29) to outscore the point totals of Simmons (36) and Kirst (37) and Cook (14). I am a little dubious that Mule will be able to equal his scoring total from last year (given the competition upgrade), but I also think English, especially, and Stevens should score more than they did last year. That said, it would be an increase of 35 points.

Where the other 78 come from? If the returning starters from last year each score five more points than they did last year, which I think seems kind of reasonable to assume, they would still be 48 points off. If they each score 10 extra points (possible, certainly), they would still be 18 points off. Maybe I have my math off. Perhaps a combination of Deere, Kohn and Olexo moving back to LSM makes up the shortfall. They could get close but it's a tall mountain to climb, especially with their schedule.

Arestia makes all the arguments for why it could happen, I think it mostly hinges on Kohn winning a LOT more face-offs. Fingers crossed, as you'd think SU would be a lot better for it.
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English missed 7 of Princeton's 15 games last season. He was on pace for finishing the year with points in the high 30s. I think he will certainly put up more than 20 for us next year. Stevens may get a few more points but we will also be using him on the wing heavily. If we strictly played him as an offensive player then he would probably score a good amount more, but I doubt we do that. Mule even if he plays full time starting attack will not hit 75 points for us.

Still a totally bonkers prediction, but to get anywhere close we would need Hiltz to play to his full potential this season. I think he is capable of a 70 point season. Too many almosts and mental mistakes from him last season that he is certainly capable of cleaning up. Then of course the other cheat code for more points is to play and win playoff games!
 
Powellfan said:
This seems like a big ask for the SU offense.

You would be asking for all the returning players to equal or exceed their point totals, and for Mule (73), English (20) and Stevens (29) to outscore the point totals of Simmons (36) and Kirst (37) and Cook (14). I am a little dubious that Mule will be able to equal his scoring total from last year (given the competition upgrade), but I also think English, especially, and Stevens should score more than they did last year. That said, it would be an increase of 35 points.

Where the other 78 come from? If the returning starters from last year each score five more points than they did last year, which I think seems kind of reasonable to assume, they would still be 48 points off. If they each score 10 extra points (possible, certainly), they would still be 18 points off. Maybe I have my math off. Perhaps a combination of Deere, Kohn and Olexo moving back to LSM makes up the shortfall. They could get close but it's a tall mountain to climb, especially with their schedule.

Arestia makes all the arguments for why it could happen, I think it mostly hinges on Kohn winning a LOT more face-offs. Fingers crossed, as you'd think SU would be a lot better for it.
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"Syracuse will score more points than any team in school history​

Maybe the tallest of all tall orders we’re making here. In 1986, Syracuse played 17 games and, as a team, scored 260 goals and 198 assists, that’s 458 points. The most points in school history in a single season. The Roy Simmons Jr led Orange actually lost in the Final Four that season, losing a close one to UVA. Syracuse had an attackman you may have heard of, John Zulberti, who put up 74 points as a freshman, a Cuse record that still stands. Last year, Syracuse had 345 points. That’s a big gap to get to 458. Where will those 123 points come from? A few places. The transfer portal, where Jake Stevens, Sam English and Christian Mule bring their points to the Orange. Mule alone had 73 a year ago with Lehigh. The portal also will deliver some extra possessions courtesy of faceoff specialist Mason Kohn coming from Tufts. The new guys, like Trey Deere who will arrive on campus as one of the most skilled players on the team. And of course, the growth of players who are already there. Joey Spallina spent his summer in Orangeville, honing indoor lacrosse skills in the OJLL, where he had 148 points in 32 games, 4th in the league. His teammate at Cuse, Finn Thomson, led the OJLL in scoring with 170 points in 27 games. A pair of Cuse weapons return to school for their sophomore seasons having combined for 318 points indoors over the summer. I look across that list and I see a team that can score 100 more points than they did a year ago."

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I don’t see any team in the current over-coached era scoring more than the free flowing Run n Gun teams of SU’s past.

Certainly not without a :30 second shot clock and/or a schedule full of cream puffs.
 
Haven't ever seen these before.

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Syracuse
The top transfer class, including Princeton stars and some face-off help from DIII, plus the continued maturation of Joey Spallina and his class: Are the Orange back?
 
Powellfan said:
This seems like a big ask for the SU offense.

You would be asking for all the returning players to equal or exceed their point totals, and for Mule (73), English (20) and Stevens (29) to outscore the point totals of Simmons (36) and Kirst (37) and Cook (14). I am a little dubious that Mule will be able to equal his scoring total from last year (given the competition upgrade), but I also think English, especially, and Stevens should score more than they did last year. That said, it would be an increase of 35 points.

Where the other 78 come from? If the returning starters from last year each score five more points than they did last year, which I think seems kind of reasonable to assume, they would still be 48 points off. If they each score 10 extra points (possible, certainly), they would still be 18 points off. Maybe I have my math off. Perhaps a combination of Deere, Kohn and Olexo moving back to LSM makes up the shortfall. They could get close but it's a tall mountain to climb, especially with their schedule.

Arestia makes all the arguments for why it could happen, I think it mostly hinges on Kohn winning a LOT more face-offs. Fingers crossed, as you'd think SU would be a lot better for it.
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"Syracuse will score more points than any team in school history​

Maybe the tallest of all tall orders we’re making here. In 1986, Syracuse played 17 games and, as a team, scored 260 goals and 198 assists, that’s 458 points. The most points in school history in a single season. The Roy Simmons Jr led Orange actually lost in the Final Four that season, losing a close one to UVA. Syracuse had an attackman you may have heard of, John Zulberti, who put up 74 points as a freshman, a Cuse record that still stands. Last year, Syracuse had 345 points. That’s a big gap to get to 458. Where will those 123 points come from? A few places. The transfer portal, where Jake Stevens, Sam English and Christian Mule bring their points to the Orange. Mule alone had 73 a year ago with Lehigh. The portal also will deliver some extra possessions courtesy of faceoff specialist Mason Kohn coming from Tufts. The new guys, like Trey Deere who will arrive on campus as one of the most skilled players on the team. And of course, the growth of players who are already there. Joey Spallina spent his summer in Orangeville, honing indoor lacrosse skills in the OJLL, where he had 148 points in 32 games, 4th in the league. His teammate at Cuse, Finn Thomson, led the OJLL in scoring with 170 points in 27 games. A pair of Cuse weapons return to school for their sophomore seasons having combined for 318 points indoors over the summer. I look across that list and I see a team that can score 100 more points than they did a year ago."

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I think SU will definitely increase their point totals from last year but break the all time record, I don't see it. First off SU plays multiple teams with good defenses ie Army, Hop, ND etc and you always have that one game where a goalie stands on his head or the tam just can't put the ball in the goal. Not to mention there's no guarantee SU doesn't have a few games like last year where they're struggling to win faceoffs resulting in much less possessions. I get Dan's points but you'd need so many things to go right especially against this top top three SOS in the country.
 
Powellfan said:
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Few interesting notes from those pics.

Kempney is playing SSDM against Tenaglia, I believe has has been moved to SSDM full time.

In the Sam English pic, Caccamo looks like he may have a short stick guarding English (a bit tough to tell).

Olexxo winding up taking a shot, likely means he is running at LSM.
 
JeremyCuse said:
Few interesting notes from those pics.

Kempney is playing SSDM against Tenaglia, I believe has has been moved to SSDM full time.

In the Sam English pic, Caccamo looks like he may have a short stick guarding English (a bit tough to tell).

Olexxo winding up taking a shot, likely means he is running at LSM.
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I believe Kempney was moved to SSDM over the fall. Interested to see where he lands in the rotation.

It’s really hard to tell with the Caccamo picture. I thought it was a short stick too at first sight but it doesn’t look like a natural movement from someone with a shorty. I zoomed in and everything but still can’t tell lol. Feels like they should figure out a spot for him but no idea where it is.

Hard to read too much into the Olexo picture, there is zero context. He could have just been feeling very aggressive. Close defenders are allowed to take shots on goal. Also no idea what the drill was. I’m sure all players take opportunities to work on their shot. That said come February 3rd I’m sure you’ll be proven correct!
 
Wonder if this is true or if someone in the SI department got ambitious.

 
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