2027 Recruiting

[4evaOrange]

Kruger was awesome this summer as a rookie in the OJLL. I haven't seen him or Ayden Matthews play much field lacrosse, so I don't know how they compare as college recruits.

Just watched his game winning goal and first goal. And his point accumulation was impressive.

 

[Hawknate144]

4 star is appropriate. he is very talented but still has more to prove in field lacrosse. box stars dont always translate to field. but its obvious IL doesnt watch any box at all...

that was my conclusion, from what I have seen a ranking around 50 feels about right until proven otherwise with regards to field.

 

[FloridaCuse]

i would bet a s***-ton of money that no mens lacrosse programs are fully funded in year one.

But if not in year 1, UNC could be fully funding in year 3 and that's what's relevant for current recruiting of the class that enters school in '27. What is SU going to do?

 

[wgdsr]

Correct, there is no article that has come out stating it. My comment is based on multiple conversations with club coaches/HS coaches.

I asked, how is it that UNC is pulling this off and you’re not seeing the same splashes from other ACC schools. They response was, b/c they are fully funding the program

that's fine, but that's "trust me bro". those guys just... don't know.

as someone else has posted the link on here... unc IS providing ~130 additional scholarships throughout the department if you figure 4-5 of their "major" sports are getting 60+ of their 194.

but that's going to 20+ sports. 35 out of those 130 aren't going to 1 mens sport that hasn't lived up to what their probable expectations are. they just aren't.

 

[FloridaCuse]

that's fine, but that's "trust me bro". those guys just... don't know.

as someone else has posted the link on here... unc IS providing ~130 additional scholarships throughout the department if you figure 4-5 of their "major" sports are getting 60+ of their 194.

but that's going to 20+ sports. 35 out of those 130 aren't going to 1 mens sport that hasn't lived up to what their probable expectations are. they just aren't.

It may be more than 130 going to "other" sports. Football can only add 20 (85 to 105) and basketball is negligible, maybe 1 or 2. Someone else suggested baseball and soccer could be getting a lot. Wildhack has said that we've also added some to field hockey in addition to men's and women's lacrosse.

 

[DoctahLexus]

Highly doubt they are funding 48 scholarships at UNC. Maybe they are funding enough to comfortably give all these top guys a full ride, but 48 would be insane.

 

[ohmilax34]

4 star is appropriate. he is very talented but still has more to prove in field lacrosse. box stars dont always translate to field. but its obvious IL doesnt watch any box at all...

Yeah, I think this is right on. If you look at the top 20 scorers in the OJLL or the BCJALL, it isn't full of college stars. However, if someone puts up major points in these leagues they're likely a high level offensive player and can play on a high level college team. Orangeville loses Deere and L. Matthews next summer, so it'll be interesting to watch the new group of Kruger, A. Matthews, D. Sanderson and others.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Highly doubt they are funding 48 scholarships at UNC. Maybe they are funding enough to comfortably give all these top guys a full ride, but 48 would be insane.

But would it if all they're about is trying to impress the SEC and B1G that they are all in on all of their sports so they can join one of them in say 2030? And who is the other ACC school that may have also fully funded 48? Duke? ND? Might be suprise if it's UVa but they too may be trying to impress the B1G to leave for there also.

 

[Hawknate144]

But would it if all they're about is trying to impress the SEC and B1G that they are all in on all of their sports so they can join one of them in say 2030?

well the SEC doesnt sponsor mens or womens lacrosse and I doubt they will anytime soon

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

See post #763 in this thread where Whitey23 referred us to this article from June where UNC announced that post-House case settlement they have increased scholarships by nearly 200 across their 28 sports.

Carolina Athletics Adapting & Evolving After House Settlement - University of North Carolina Athletics

June 6 marked a historic day for college athletics, as Judge Claudia Wilken officially approved the House vs. NCAA settlement.

goheels.com

I appreciate you taking the time to find that post and share the source with me.

I continue to have doubts any lacrosse program is offering close to 48 scholarships though. 200 new schollies spread out over 28 sports is 7.25 new schollies per sport. Sports like baseball, softball, etc., have low scholly totals as compared to roster sizes as well. Can't see UNC adding 35 new scholarships for mens' lacrosse any time in the near future. (Not trying to "shoot the messenger").

 

[FloridaCuse]

well the SEC doesnt sponsor mens or womens lacrosse and I doubt they will anytime soon

Agree. But it may not be just about lacrosse but about all of their athletic programs and showing how committed they are and how important it is to them. Side issue -- where does UNC lacrosse go if they do go to the SEC? And what would happen to ACC lacrosse, especially if UVa leaves also?

 

[FloridaCuse]

I appreciate you taking the time to find that post and share the source with me.

I continue to have doubts any lacrosse program is offering close to 48 scholarships though. 200 new schollies spread out over 28 sports is 7.25 new schollies per sport. Sports like baseball, softball, etc., have low scholly totals as compared to roster sizes as well. Can't see UNC adding 35 new scholarships for mens' lacrosse any time in the near future. (Not trying to "shoot the messenger").

Good point. You may be right. But maybe they are offering to all new recruits coming in for the '27 class. Same problem for other schools that aren't.

 

[Powellfan]

kruger is ranked no. 25 by ty xanders. he is who i referenced recently. i cant believe IL only ranks him as a 3 star...

I know they probably aren’t as trustworthy as IL and Xanders, but just as another data point, NLF has him ranked 56. It’s still rare to see a player ranked in the top 50’s by two services and only given a three star by IL.

 

[Hawknate144]

I know they probably aren’t as trustworthy as IL and Xanders, but just as another data point, NLF has him ranked 56. It’s still rare to see a player ranked in the top 50’s by two services and only given a three star by IL.

yeah I mentioned that earlier, it doesnt really make a whole lot of sense other than IL ignoring hm because he plays in Canada

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

yeah I mentioned that earlier, it doesnt really make a whole lot of sense other than IL ignoring hm because he plays in Canada

I think their rankings are based primarily on evaluations made during summer club season and I did not see any indication Kruger plays for any club. The three stars they gave were probably just based on the Hill Academy/Orangeville pedigree.

While the three sets of rankings are nice reference points, I trust our coaches as evaluators and trust any kid committing this early in the process is someone who was high on their prospect board.

 

[wgdsr]

It may be more than 130 going to "other" sports. Football can only add 20 (85 to 105) and basketball is negligible, maybe 1 or 2. Someone else suggested baseball and soccer could be getting a lot. Wildhack has said that we've also added some to field hockey in addition to men's and women's lacrosse.

that was also me. baseball actually has some real revenue and expenses behind it, especially for acc (and sec) schools. like, there are coaches getting poached and paid millions plural, 20 -25+ home games with dome like attendance so in the 6 figures in some cases, etc.
you can count on their increase to be in high teens or 20+. softball does okay, too (see... their viewership vs lacrosse) and my guess a commensurate amount with smaller rosters - guess 10 schollies). then women's soccer there, for sure.

that's how i get to 130. you can call it 140 if you like.

this whole convo has taken on a life of its own because a poster heard some things from some club and h.s. coaches.

 

[Hawknate144]

I think their rankings are based primarily on evaluations made during summer club season and I did not see any indication Kruger plays for any club. The three stars they gave were probably just based on the Hill Academy/Orangeville pedigree.

While the three sets of rankings are nice reference points, I trust our coaches as evaluators and trust any kid committing this early in the process is someone who was high on their prospect board.

his IMCLA page says he plays for Rock Stars 2008

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

that was also me. baseball actually has some real revenue and expenses behind it, especially for acc (and sec) schools. like, there are coaches getting poached and paid millions plural, 20 -25+ home games with dome like attendance so in the 6 figures in some cases, etc.
you can count on their increase to be in high teens or 20+. softball does okay, too (see... their viewership vs lacrosse) and my guess a commensurate amount with smaller rosters - guess 10 schollies). then women's soccer there, for sure.

that's how i get to 130. you can call it 140 if you like.

this whole convo has taken on a life of its own because a poster heard some things from some club and h.s. coaches.

I think you alluded to it, but club coaches have every incentive to believe (say) schools are fully funded. My kids are very likely not future D-1 lacrosse players (and I know this) so every year i balance club fees versus a non existent ROI. A lot of parents are delusional enough to think their kid is going D-1 and the scholly at the end of the journey makes the $2k to $10k in club fees a year worth it. More schollies = more incentive to keep paying club fees, faceoff training, goalie training, etc.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

his IMCLA page says he plays for Rock Stars 2008

Isn't that just the junior version of Toronto Rock (NLL)? They've played in some of the same tournies for box that Shrmdougluvr Jr has played in (not same bracket; though he has played Snake Island Muskies and the Kahnahwake a bunch).

 

[Hawknate144]

Isn't that just the junior version of Toronto Rock (NLL)? They've played in some of the same tournies for box that Shrmdougluvr Jr has played in (not same bracket; though he has played Snake Island Muskies and the Kahnahwake a bunch).

yeah they are, I looked them up after I posted that, yeah looks like he plays no club field, which would explain the IL ranking

 

[Whitey23]

Nov 2024

The settlement now places limits on team rosters with schools being able to provide as many scholarships as roster spots. Carolina currently offers the equivalent of 330 full scholarships to 530 of our approximately 850 student-athletes, thanks to the generosity of our Rams Club donors. While the new roster limits will decrease our total number of varsity student-athletes to a maximum of 735

Back of the envelope they have 145 full scholarships to give out to male non-revenue sports and 246 athletes in that bucket.

 

[Cuse On 3]

No Morsell for Cuse.

Just brutal

 

[4evaOrange]

2 more 5* announcing per feldy

Correction 3

 

[Cuse On 3]

Excited about max kruger. However, you’re lying to yourself if you don’t think Syracuse whiffed on a lot of blue chip prospects this class. It’s not even close to being over so let’s see how many more top 100 kids we can snag.

 

[Hawknate144]

2 more 5* announcing per feldy

3 more, he correct himself