23-0 Run

[moqui]

Yes, but, the most impressive feat was closing out the game the way they did. Granted Leslie was out, but he was gassed. Syracuse's depth proved too much for them to overcome. Various ways to skin a cat.

when the opponent is a mediocre team with no depth and, as you note, a gassed star, it should temper that impression, IMO. I want to see the Orange face a quality opponent at full strength.

 

[cusetown1]

when the opponent is a mediocre team with no depth and, as you note, a gassed star, it should temper that impression, IMO. I want to see the Orange face a quality opponent at full strength.

I think NCST is a little better than mediocre, I guess we will have to wait and see.

 

[tbonezone]

depth was most definately a deciding factor here . 4 wolfpack starters avg'd 35 minutes and the 5th cj leslie (who i thought was really impressive.how in hell did they ever land him?) would have played 40 had he not cramped up .if you break the game down into 10 minute quarters they outscored us 33/49 to start both halfs. once the legs went we ran away from them. hubert humonkulous davis was spot on when he drilled that our strength was our bench. i think i even heard the mookster getting a shout out.

 

[moqui]

I think NCST is a little better than mediocre, I guess we will have to wait and see.

Palm: 64
RealTimeRPI: 72
KenPom: 75
Sagarin: 75

granted, these numbers make them look like giants compared to the rest of SU's schedule, but NC State will, once again, be NIT State; aka, mediocre

 

[Flacusian]

If we can get Southerland to consistently hit a few of those 3's then we are as scary as a cancer diagnosis. He is still hard to figure. Nothing but net from East Kyahts and then followed up with an airball. Sheesh. The thing that I find strange is watching how giddy he gets after he's hit a few. He seems childlike in his demeanor. I'd guess that the vacillations in temperment play into the inconsistentcy.

 

[CorduroyG]

don't forget the corollary to that 23-0 run, NCSU's 21-4 run spanning the two halves to erase the entire SU lead. That run exposed fatal flaws in Syracuse's offense (that's right, offense, not defense) that we will see more and more of as the schedule gets more difficult: no interior game to get a necessary basket when the bombs aren't falling, and the de facto go-to guy (Waiters) is an undisciplined shot hunter who has as much capacity to create multiple consecutive empty possessions as he does to make an electric play.

When the Orange start playing good teams, they are going to come down to earth hard. 23-0 runs are like a seasonal cocktail that goes off the menu when December winds down. Unless something changes (and I have some hope that could be the case), then I expect the Orange to be out of the top ten by March and unlikely to advance to the 2nd weekend of the tournament.

I am very happy with the win, the undefeated record, the #1 ranking and would love to be wrong, but my experience tells me that my eyes are lusting over false gold.

So dion was the most at fault during the 21-4 run spanning the 2 halves? Come on, he shot 9-14 on the game and only 2 turnovers, so how exactly was he an "undiscipled shot hunter"? lol I swear dion has to have a triple double with zero turnovers for some people not to criticize him. I can picture you watching a cuse game where dion is playing amazing, then takes 1 bad shot and you say to everyone "SEE!! I TOLD YOU HES AN UNDISCIPLINED SHOT HUNTER!!!"

We ended the virginia tech game on a 30-16 run, we ended the stanford game on an 18-5 run, and we ended the nc state game on a 25-9 run. Are those kinds of runs in tight games either midway or late in the 2nd half to close out games seasonal cocktails too? I guess since none of those teams are good then they dont mean anything.

 

[HakAttack]

It's Moqui, between him and Blue Curtain I don't know who complains more!

 

[VaSaltine]

I think we.toyed with them.

Agree. I never got the sense that this game was EVER in doubt. When we turn it up it's scary good.

 

[moqui]

So dion was the most at fault during the 21-4 run spanning the 2 halves?

never wrote that, did I? I never assigned any "fault" to anyone. The point I made is that this team can go ice cold because it lacks a true go-to scorer in the post, and the guy who they rely on for must-convert possessions is, for all his talent, an undisciplined wild card.

It's Moqui, between him and Blue Curtain I don't know who complains more!

Hey, I understand that the vast majority of this forum is made up of kool-aid guzzling fanboys who lack either the desire or the capacity for critical analysis. I don't post for y'all.

 

[tbonezone]

hey schoolboys! chill! i take the freekin time to rewind the play by play and break down the points by quarters,who scored what and when and now you want to lockup the friggin' thread for your petty mudslingin' who said what??? i think not !

 

[Flacusian]

I expect the Orange to be out of the top ten by March and unlikely to advance to the 2nd weekend of the tournament.

Who are the 10 teams that are going to supercede the Orange by March 1st? There is a difference between having a critical analysis which points out areas that are percived as weaknesses and having a hyper critical viewpoint that is chicken little like and projecting negative outcomes which although remotely possible are highly unlikely. Every team in the Nation has flaws/ weaknesses of sorts and the difference between the top teams and the others is the fact that they develop ways to mimimize the impact of them or work to correct them over the course of the season. Syracuse, while having some shortcomings has some assets which many other teams simply do not have. Experienced upperclassmen, size, speed, a defense which wreaks havoc on other teams, a hall of fame coach, depth and superior conditioning, just to mention a few.
To paint such a negative picture of the team as they sit at #1 in both polls is simply WRONG. I'm going to save your post for future use since I think it will be a gift that keeps on giving well into the future.

 

[SUfanNC]

Palm: 64
RealTimeRPI: 72
KenPom: 75
Sagarin: 75

granted, these numbers make them look like giants compared to the rest of SU's schedule, but NC State will, once again, be NIT State; aka, mediocre

It's great to use stats but the funny thing about them is they change. I think that NC State will be a tourny team. They have some solid players and a new coach. If they can keep the injury bug from getting them. Only time will tell.

 

[moqui]

Who are the 10 teams that are going to supercede the Orange by March 1st? There is a difference between having a critical analysis which points out areas that are percived as weaknesses and having a hyper critical viewpoint that is chicken little like and projecting negative outcomes which although remotely possible are highly unlikely.

I don't have to name the exact ten teams. But, I think the Orange are probably going to lose 4 to 7 games in BE play, primarily because of the familiarity of other coaches with JB's style wedded to the lack of a low post scorer on must-convert possessions. Historically, if you lose multiple games in relatively short succession, you fall rapidly. And, I wouldn't call losing that many games "unlikely;" over the last ten seasons, the Orange have averaged 6 BE losses per year and have less than 4 only twice. Heck, even what I consider to be JB's best team ever, the 88-89 squad, lost 6 Big East games

To paint such a negative picture of the team as they sit at #1 in both polls is simply WRONG. I'm going to save your post for future use since I think it will be a gift that keeps on giving well into the future.

actually, it is just called an opinion, don't be so sensitive. and feel free to keep the post - I don't run from my opinions and admit when I am wrong, with or without a reminder

 

[VaBeachOrFan]

That 23-0 run was SU basketball at its fluid best! Shutdown defense coupled with seamless offense. We saw that when SU thrashed UNC in 2009-10 and in the first half of the NC game when GMAC torched the Jayhawks. I stay thirsty for moments like that.-VBOF (with apologies to the most interesting man in the world).