3 losing seasons in last 5 years

[85SUAlum]

Crazy to think of how the season started with such promise and defensive intensity to this. It doesn’t even feel Iike the same year. My goodness

Just when I thought I was back in, they pushed me back out (to paraphrase a classic movie quote).

 

[Cuse12]

The season basically was over after the Hofstra loss. Huge red flag. Then the BC loss basically was the death blow.

I completely will assume our team is trash everytime we lose a regular season game to the colgates, UBs, Hofstras of the world on our home court. Or even honorable mention, we take Youngstown state’s to over time.

 

[Sherman20]

Yup I dont want them to win their conference tournament now. I want contract done as soon as possible "officially"

I want him to do well in the post-season (just not too well) so he comes in with alot of hype when he’s hired. I think they can do a memorandum of understanding before the ncaa tourney starts. Maybe some lawyers on here can confirm that?

 

[Brooky03]

The fact that we made a continuity hire -- and some SUPPORTED that approach -- when the program was in such steep decline was a disastrous choice.

It ultimately didn’t work because Red just isn’t a head coach.

There’s an undertone (or overtone lol) that ‘continuity’ means Red kept doing what JB did when JB was struggling. Red’s offensive and defensive approach never looked like JB’s at any point, though. They both failed in completely unique ways.

A new, outside coach could have worked out better. But, a different continuity hire could have also worked out. Red was the problem, not necessarily continuity.

 

[phil77]

I want him to do well in the post-season (just not too well) so he comes in with alot of hype when he’s hired. I think they can do a memorandum of understanding before the ncaa tourney starts. Maybe some lawyers on here can confirm that?

Yes we can agree on everything before the tournament starts. My worry isnt about him going to another school. My idea is more selfish. If he is our selection, I want him at Syracuse starting the new ERA ASAP. The sooner he can talk to boosters (Melo) and watch tape/evaluate current players before the portal opens, the better. It's only for selfish reasons that I am hoping they lose now.

 

[RF2044]

It ultimately didn’t work because Red just isn’t a head coach.

There’s an undertone (or overtone lol) that ‘continuity’ means Red kept doing what JB did when JB was struggling. Red’s offensive and defensive approach never looked like JB’s at any point, though. They both failed in completely unique ways.

A new, outside coach could have worked out better. But, a different continuity hire could have also worked out. Red was the problem, not necessarily continuity.

Just to clarify, that's not what I mean by continuity, to me. Continuity was making an internal hire when the systemic problems indicated that our program was broken.

 

[br801]

This team was less than the sum of its parts.

Yes, and somehow the gap grew larger as the season progressed.

 

[Brooky03]

Just to clarify, that's not what I mean by continuity, to me. Continuity was making an internal hire when the systemic problems indicated that our program was broken.

The broken part of the program was that we weren’t recruiting. That’s really the depth of it. There was belief that Red could pick up that slack. To that point, Red did do a better job of recruiting and embracing the transfer portal, just maybe not good enough. His on-court coaching/player development was just, frankly, really bad. Which was a Red thing, not a system thing. Naturally, that’s the risk of promoting an assistant coach; you just don’t know.

An outside hire might’ve looked better. People might’ve felt better about it, but I don’t think there’s really a proven way to hire a ‘proven’ coach and correlate that to success. Continuity hires sometimes work out and sometimes don’t. Winning coaches sometimes go somewhere new and keep winning, sometimes they don’t. Other than feeling better, I don’t think there was a safe option. An outside hire could tank a flailing program the same way a continuity hire could and I don’t think the chance of that happening is very different between the two options.

 

[grepal]

But Dook and North Carolina did! So we should too because they are good and in the ACC.

This is what state run media in Syracuse regurgitates without stipulating those programs were not in decline like SU.

Louisville did and failed. Ollie won either a full cupboard but after year 1 UCONN tanked. I have no idea who will be the next coach or AD. I hope they can turn this around.

 

[Jasoncuse]

Looks like the last time we lost 5 in a row in a season was 1968-1969. Actually happened twice that year.

 

[phil77]

Looks like the last time we lost 5 in a row in a season was 1968-1969. Actually happened twice that year.

That doesn't seem good, let me do the math on that... Yup that is not good

 

[RF2044]

The broken part of the program was that we weren’t recruiting. That’s really the depth of it. There was belief that Red could pick up that slack. To that point, Red did do a better job of recruiting and embracing the transfer portal, just maybe not good enough. His on-court coaching/player development was just, frankly, really bad. Which was a Red thing, not a system thing. Naturally, that’s the risk of promoting an assistant coach; you just don’t know.

An outside hire might’ve looked better. People might’ve felt better about it, but I don’t think there’s really a proven way to hire a ‘proven’ coach and correlate that to success. Continuity hires sometimes work out and sometimes don’t. Winning coaches sometimes go somewhere new and keep winning, sometimes they don’t. Other than feeling better, I don’t think there was a safe option. An outside hire could tank a flailing program the same way a continuity hire could and I don’t think the chance of that happening is very different between the two options.

No, the broken part was that our coaching was atrocious. Recruiting was peripheral.

I'm tired of the rationalization.

The good news is that now we're going to hire someone from outside of the internal family tree, and the fan base will once again be exposed to how basketball it is supposed to be played, without being bogged down with nostalgia That clouds everyone's vision to the poor product on the court. That clouds everyone's vision to the poor product on the court

 

[Brooky03]

No, the broken part was that our coaching was atrocious. Recruiting was peripheral.

I'm tired of the rationalization.

The good news is that now we're going to hire someone from outside of the internal family tree, and the fan base will once again be exposed to how basketball it is supposed to be played, without being bogged down with nostalgia That clouds everyone's vision to the poor product on the court. That clouds everyone's vision to the poor product on the court

Agree to disagree, I guess. I don’t think JB’s worst seasons coinciding with his least talented teams was just coincidence. The game certainly never passed him by.

 

[atlanticuse]

Says something about respect for the fans when they allow this damaged ship to completely catch on fire, capsize, sink and then explode.
Whomever the final call for [redacted]-hire Red should never see this program again.

 

[TommyA13]

“Bryan Hodgson if you can hear us, please Bryan Hodgson, please save me, please save me Bryan Hodgson, please. I’m asking you, please save me. Please save me please get these people away from me. In dear God’s name please help us please.” Ignore the language at the top idk what it means, if you know this meme though it’s hilarious).

 

[RF2044]

Agree to disagree, I guess. I don’t think JB’s worst seasons coinciding with his least talented teams was just coincidence. The game certainly never passed him by.

It 100% passed by, he hung on too long, and anything else is revisionist history.

Also, I don't understand why it's relevant for people to try to rationalize away the programs decline.

 

[OrangeFoo]

And that Houston game. I hadn't been that excited watching a Syracuse game in many years. I really thought we had something. Hard to believe this is how it ended.

When your whole strategy is “play hard”… it’s not going to last a whole season.

 

[JaySU22]

Louisville did and failed. Ollie won either a full cupboard but after year 1 UCONN tanked. I have no idea who will be the next coach or AD. I hope they can turn this around.

Actually Ollie’s first 4 years were good then it fell off the cliff in years 5 and 6 due to recruiting dips.

 

[kirbivore]

The season basically was over after the Hofstra loss. Huge red flag. Then the BC loss basically was the death blow.

 

[kirbivore]

Looks like the last time we lost 5 in a row in a season was 1968-1969. Actually happened twice that year.

The last losing season before the 52 year non losing streak of 1969-1970 through 2020-2021 seasons.

 

[PhatOrange]

Unacceptable.

I really look forward to the clean break, and the much needed infusion of competence, new ideas, and new energy.

Mike Hopkins come on down lmao.

 

[Brooky03]

It 100% passed by, he hung on too long, and anything else is revisionist history.

Also, I don't understand why it's relevant for people to try to rationalize away the programs decline.

You don’t understand how commentary on the conditions that caused the program’s decline are relevant to commentary on the merits of a continuity hire?

C’mon, man.

SU isn’t here because we ran too many high ball screens and didn’t understand how to defend Golden State-style offenses.

 

[atlanticuse]

When your whole strategy is “play hard”… it’s not going to last a whole season.

Cue offseason workouts and gym photos

 

[RedtheGOB]

After reading above one of the things that stands out to me as well is how badly we managed our rosters during the downswing too.

I'm not going to go down the list but we were clearly building around the wrong players and our best players were walking out the door.

People can complain about recruiting and the portal but we somehow have been without an Alpha Leader on the court for how long now. We're so soft.

 

[atlanticuse]

After reading above one of the things that stands out to me as well is how badly we managed our rosters during the downswing too.

I'm not going to go down the list but we were clearly building around the wrong players and our best players were walking out the door.

People can complain about recruiting and the portal but we somehow have been without an Alpha Leader on the court for how long now. We're so soft.

challenge is that every year is a turnover.
I was excited to have JJ back last year. I was not excited to have him back this year, but was stoked that Donnie came back.
But now next year... we got zero commits, a bunch of graduates, maybe Luke + Kiyan return? And Sadiq?
This is like Oklahoma State football, who had over 100 roster moves.