3 wasted years

[Brooky03]

No one hates Gerry. Not one post has said that.

A lot of people are skeptical of the hire. If Gerry McNamaras career was the exact same except he grew up in Strongsville, OH and won a national title at Louisville and made it to the NCAAs as the head coach of Austin Peay …. He literally wouldn’t be on our list top 25 candidates most likely. Nothing in the metrics show Anything special on either side of the ball.

I am well aware people will say “his guys play hard!!” Great … I’m sure they do. I’m sure they would at Austin Peay because that’s how he coaches. But there are a ton of good coaches that can do that … with a more proven track record.


I’m happy he went here, but he got the job because he went here.

I also believe that the NIL factor is real …. And i understand why GMac draws the most NIL cash from the donor base … I get all the reasons.

Based on some reactions here GMac is the best choice for the general fan base, which I get it too.

GMac probably offers the most ROI for the admin for the immediate future. Donor support + ticket sales + higher general fan interest + easy espn/media headlines…..it may not look good initially on the court but the general vibes will be good .

Hodgson would probably be met with less excitement overall by the fanbase than GMac will. Based on posts here by people who would know …. The donor support wasn’t quite there for BH. Easy to see how that leads to less excitement in the general fan base.


I just don’t think the best choice was made for the basketball product on the court. It seemed like the emphasis was what the drive the most initial revenue

What if BH was a worse choice for the basketball product on the floor?

 

[Brooky03]

Why is this so hard for people to accept?

I think the problem is the inconstant application of logic. BH, for example, was propped up for turning around 2 programs in 3 years. Gerry turned around 1 program in 2 years. They’re each 0-1 in the tournament. We’re supposed to act like Gerry’s was a fluke or not really that impressive while BH’s was ‘omg this dude’s incredible.’ BH runs a cool offense; he recruited well for Oats (who didn’t have trouble landing guys after BH left).

Schertz turned us down.

The school looked at outside hires sincerely. For different reasons, Gerry ended up working out. The idea that he wasn’t a viable candidate to begin with is what I take issue with. NIL matters a lot. If donors were willing to write bigger checks for Gerry because they remember his days at SU fondly, that goes at the top of his resume. That’s not something that can be dismissed.

 

[Briancuse]

Hodgson had two more years H/C than GMac that’s it. It wasn’t Wooden, look at KU. It’s all a crap shoot. GMac will be fine. Root for you team or go away.

Root for what I tell you to root for or your a fraud. Did I get that right? Lol

 

[orange79]

Hodgson had two more years H/C than GMac that’s it. It wasn’t Wooden, look at KU. It’s all a crap shoot. GMac will be fine. Root for you team or go away.

Settle down.

 

[Brooky03]

"Root for you team or go away"

You can root for the team, while still acknowledging that Gerry was always going to get the role because of the ghosts of program past pulling the strings. Let's hope those ghosts don't drag the program to hell with them.

Based on what’s been said here by insiders, no, Gerry was not always going to get the role.

 

[bnoro]

Based on what’s been said here by insiders, no, Gerry was not always going to get the role.

Based on what was said by insiders, Hodgson was a no from JAB, which left us with Schertz who told us no when we started.

So rather than conduct a "national search" because we knew JAB wouldn't allow it, we picked the path of least resistance.

 

[miamicuse]

I blame wildhack and the bot.

For this one I don't. It's 98% on JB.

If JB wanted GMac to take over, and he really really meant it, he should have elevated Gerry over Red in the totem pole so that JW and the board would not be faced with that impossible task of passing over Red who's next in line, not to mention the optics and political reality if that were to happen. JB is in charge of his assistants, he should have done his job and take succession into account in the first place.

 

[miamicuse]

Based on what was said by insiders, Hodgson was a no from JAB, which left us with Schertz who told us no when we started.

So rather than conduct a "national search" because we knew JAB wouldn't allow it, we picked the path of least resistance.

So JAB still has the right of refusal to the position even now?

 

[Ringostar57]

Once upon a time there was this guy, barely past thirty years old who had been offered a D3 coaching position, who had a couple of years as an assistant coach. An alum who played shooting guard/wing and bled his schools colors and actually recruited his alma mater for the vacant D1 head coaching position. Vehemently said I am your man! He got it, the rest is history. A lot of know nothings offering absolutely nothing of late. The point is he didn't have the resume that GMAC has now.

 

[bnoro]

Once upon a time there was this guy, barely past thirty years old who had been offered a D3 coaching position, who had a couple of years as an assistant coach. An alum who played shooting guard/wing and bled his schools colors and actually recruited his alma mater for the vacant D1 head coaching position. Vehemently said I am your man! He got it, the rest is history. A lot of know nothings offering absolutely nothing of late. The point is he didn't have the resume that GMAC has now.

Yeah, the landscape of college basketball is exactly the same now as it was when "this guy" took over

 

[Cusefan0307]

Based on what was said by insiders, Hodgson was a no from JAB, which left us with Schertz who told us no when we started.

So rather than conduct a "national search" because we knew JAB wouldn't allow it, we picked the path of least resistance.

Or we picked the guy who would give us the most NIL infusion.

 

[Briancuse]

Based on what was said by insiders, Hodgson was a no from JAB, which left us with Schertz who told us no when we started.

So rather than conduct a "national search" because we knew JAB wouldn't allow it, we picked the path of least resistance.

I think we all know gmac was 3rd in line. Schertz was the clear number one with bh being 2 before he went psycho on them. Still would love to know what exactly happened in those talks.

 

[bnoro]

Or we picked the guy who would give us the most NIL infusion.

If we were so short-sighted to pick a guy that would give us the most NIL this year, than we deserve everything we get.

If you hired a Hodgson/Schertz (or even Martelli Jr), and they had enough success year one to make the tournament, year two would be just as good or better as year one this year.

On the flip side, Gerry might bring in more this year, but if he doesn't win this year, we're in big trouble.

 

[Brooky03]

Based on what was said by insiders, Hodgson was a no from JAB, which left us with Schertz who told us no when we started.

So rather than conduct a "national search" because we knew JAB wouldn't allow it, we picked the path of least resistance.

Hodgson was a no from the donors. Unless the implication is the donors would follow JB, which still wouldn’t count as a no from JB because he’d be under no obligation to back BH.

BH wanted NIL dollars that weren’t there, no?

JB was not in a position to allow or disallow anything. Some people with deep pockets might listen to him, but that’s a far cry from what you are alluding to. I know your perspective is that you’re reading between the lines of what insiders have shared, but I think you’re doing a bit more than that because you have beef.

 

[Ringostar57]

Everybody talkin NIL infusion. Stop talkin and infuse. To Bonoro been 72 years since I walked on to campus. Seen lots of change, more than you can imagine.

 

[bnoro]

Hodgson was a no from the donors. Unless the implication is the donors would follow JB, which still wouldn’t count as a no from JB because he’d be under no obligation to back BH.

BH wanted NIL dollars that weren’t there, no?

JB was not in a position to allow or disallow anything. Some people with deep pockets might listen to him, but that’s a far cry from what you are alluding to. I know your perspective is that you’re reading between the lines of what insiders have shared, but I think you’re doing a bit more than that because you have beef.

I want Gerry to be successful, I really do. But this was not the right time to hire him and I fear JB & the program alums have put him in an impossible position.

Reading between the lines? The insiders have made it pretty clear that Boeheim had a lot to do with this.

 

[Brooky03]

I want Gerry to be successful, I really do. But this was not the right time to hire him and I fear JB & the program alums have put him in an impossible position.

Reading between the lines? The insiders have made it pretty clear that Boeheim had a lot to do with this.

They made it clear Boeheim had an opinion on which guy he liked more. I haven’t read anything that suggested JB said no to Hodgson, or that he had that power. It’s certainly possible I missed something, though.

 

[Blanko97]

Great Gerry hate guys.
What a fan base on this board.

You're right, the university line has been disseminated, therefore you must support

 

[Blanko97]

They made it clear Boeheim had an opinion on which guy he liked more. I haven’t read anything that suggested JB said no to Hodgson, or that he had that power. It’s certainly possible I missed something, though.

there was a post on page like 865 of the search thread saying JB vetoed BH. True or not, we will never know but this isn't something that is being pulled from thin air

 

[Blanko97]

Love the optimism, nice !! There seems to be this opinion that any body from the “Syracuse family” can’t coach “. Gmac is not Red . Lets give him a chance !

name another JB disciple (and no, Pitino doesn't count or else he is also from Bruce O'Neil's tree) who has been successful?

 

[Brooky03]

there was a post on page like 865 of the search thread saying JB vetoed BH. True or not, we will never know but this isn't something that is being pulled from thin air

This is the one I saw from one of the insiders I trust:

So a couple of things.

JB has a long memory. Post game comments by Oats in 16&17 were bookmarked in his brain and the story about Trey Autry added fuel to his fire. He was not going to give his blessing to Hodgson and he still has friends who are donors. Hodgson felt unwelcome and bolted.

Don’t know how much JB would have supported guys like Schertz, Martelli Jr Skinn etc…but I don’t think it mattered. I don’t think Shertz was getting the money he wanted to leave and the rest don’t move the NIL needle like GMAC. If his NIL is north of $12M than he’s going to be really good shape. I don’t think BB had too many options once the Hail Mary to Schertz failed.

JB came to the table with a gut shot straight, and hit it on the turn when Gerry won the tournament.

Hop is NOT coming back to be an assistant coach. Would he come as part of the GM staff?!?! Doubt it, but don’t know for sure.

I assume Kiyan and Sadiq are wanted by Gerry. Would not be surprised if Betsey and Kingz are as well - though Kingz waiver would have to be pursued.

Donnie’s the wildcard. No idea. I bet Hodgson makes a run at him.

I don’t see George here next year.

Gerry desperately needs a PG, PF and a Center. And another shooter if Kingz isn’t.

This points to JB not liking Hodgson. And we know there are donors loyal to JB. With awareness of those things, this is still different than JB being in the driver seat and having the power to veto a guy. It sounds like the donors have the power. If enough donors are listening to JB, that’s not a JB problem. I’d say be mad at the donors, not the ex-coach offering his assessment of a guy.

This also points to Hodgson being the one who backed out, which was referenced a few times. Ok, so he was uncomfortable with the vibes. We have new leadership. If he was the right guy for the job, he could have and would have found a way to make it work, imo.

Hodsgon’s demeanor never gave me the warm and fuzzies. Idk, I can’t help but feel like we maybe dodged a bullet. Time will tell.

 

[Blanko97]

This is the one I saw from one of the insiders I trust:



This points to JB not liking Hodgson. And we know there are donors loyal to JB. With awareness of those things, this is still different than JB being in the driver seat and having the power to veto a guy. It sounds like the donors have the power. If enough donors are listening to JB, that’s not a JB problem. I’d say be mad at the donors, not the ex-coach offering his assessment of a guy.

This also points to Hodgson being the one who backed out, which was referenced a few times. Ok, so he was uncomfortable with the vibes. We have new leadership. If he was the right guy for the job, he could have and would have found a way to make it work, imo.

Hodsgon’s demeanor never gave me the warm and fuzzies. Idk, I can’t help but feel like we maybe dodged a bullet. Time will tell.

Insiders seemed to claim BH didnt drop out and it was for PR. and for god sake who cares what his demeanor is? JB was a total dick and he won 1100 games.

 

[Brooky03]

name another JB disciple (and no, Pitino doesn't count or else he is also from Bruce O'Neil's tree) who has been successful?

Most coaches have poor coaching trees. It’s more common to have nobody succeed than it is to have multiple guys succeed. This is true across sports. I think it’s because being a head coach is so dependent on personality and motivation and ego. There are lots of guys who can understand all of the steps needed to be a good coach; they could lead TED talks on coaching philosophy and strategies and fundamentals. But doing it is fundamentally different.

Mike Tomlin coached very successfully for a very long time. His coaching tree was poop until one guy emerged with a very successful run and a Super Bowl. Gerry could be that one guy (or he could suck. We don’t know).

 

[Brooky03]

Insiders seemed to claim BH didnt drop out and it was for PR. and for god sake who cares what his demeanor is? JB was a total dick and he won 1100 games.

JB didn’t tell a young man his dad was getting fired. Some brush that off, but that is a crazy lack of judgment for an adult, heat of the moment or not.

Regardless, BH’s resume was never as head and shoulders above the other candidates as it was portrayed here. This might be getting tangential, but his ‘turnarounds’ weren’t the miracles they were propped up to be. He has talent, but Kenpom numbers do not a coach make. Is his resume better than Gerry’s? Sure, by a little. I just don’t understand the thinking that he’s a sure thing and we passed on a home run for a groundout.

 

[Briancuse]

JB didn’t tell a young man his dad was getting fired. Some brush that off, but that is a crazy lack of judgment for an adult, heat of the moment or not.

Regardless, BH’s resume was never as head and shoulders above the other candidates as it was portrayed here. This might be getting tangential, but his ‘turnarounds’ weren’t the miracles they were propped up to be. He has talent, but Kenpom numbers do not a coach make. Is his resume better than Gerry’s? Sure, by a little. I just don’t understand the thinking that he’s a sure thing.

Jb treated reporters like dirt for years. I dont condone what bh did. But if your not going to hire a good coach over that. It's pretty petty.