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4.53 was Erv Phillips reported 40 time this summer. I know these times mean jack, but was anyone else disappointed? I guess I thought he would've been more in the 4.4-4.45 range for a guy perceived by many to be one of the fastest on the team. This also assumes he had a few runs that day and 4.53 was his best run.
 
4.53 was Erv Phillips reported 40 time this summer. I know these times mean jack, but was anyone else disappointed? I guess I thought he would've been more in the 4.4-4.45 range for a guy perceived by many to be one of the fastest on the team. This also assumes he had a few runs that day and 4.53 was his best run.

He has also said he has tested and run faster before.
 
Which brings me to a question. Supposedly almost no one runs a sub 4.5 at the NFL combine. Yet you see college and even HS kids often with reported electronically timed sub 4.5s. Why is this? Are there different quality levels of electronic timing devices? Some other explanation? Is there a human factor when being electronically timed? I don't get it.
 
4.53 was Erv Phillips reported 40 time this summer. I know these times mean jack, but was anyone else disappointed? I guess I thought he would've been more in the 4.4-4.45 range for a guy perceived by many to be one of the fastest on the team. This also assumes he had a few runs that day and 4.53 was his best run.
was he really thought of as being the fastest? i thought he played quick not fast last year
 
Its possible also that the new turf and fill has a slight drag while running timed sprints.
 
4.53 was Erv Phillips reported 40 time this summer... was anyone else disappointed?

In 2014 4.53 would have put him on the better side of mid-pack of the top 100 at the combine.

Disappointed???? :confused:
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It could be HS kids don't have NFL weight and putting on 20-30 pounds of muscle for the NFL shows slows them down a bit.
 
Depends on the surface. Turf vs grass vs track. 40 times are useless in football but a 4.53 is properly quick. Regardless what were his, estime, etcs 5, 10, or 20 yard splits? What were their broad jump, vert or cone drills? I'd rather know how fast over those distances run repeatedly in game, explosiveness, and agility. 40 times are for go routes and kick coverage... and thats about it.
 
It could be HS kids don't have NFL weight and putting on 20-30 pounds of muscle for the NFL shows slows them down a bit.
SBNation has an article on line comparing the pro, college and high school 40 times for a number of football players. Seems almost all players lose about a tenth of a second in college and pros over their high school forty times. Weight, more accurate equipment, more honest testing?
 
Not worried about Erv at all. Him and Bris are insanely quick, which means getting open for Hunt. Someone with a 4.53 can easily break one for 6.
 
In 2014 4.53 would have put him on the better side of mid-pack of the top 100 at the combine.

Disappointed???? :confused:
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I think it's fair to say that one of Erv's best attributes is his speed. He now plays a position that depends on very good speed. I'm not saying that 4.53 is bad, I just would have expected him to be a 4.4 speed guy. And who knows, maybe he is and didn't have the best test day.

I also think that at the D-1 power 5 level, 95% of the team would kill for a 4.53 time. But to be successful a team at this level has to have 3-5 players that can run a sub 4.5 on a consistent basis.
 
4.53 was Erv Phillips reported 40 time this summer. I know these times mean jack, but was anyone else disappointed? I guess I thought he would've been more in the 4.4-4.45 range for a guy perceived by many to be one of the fastest on the team. This also assumes he had a few runs that day and 4.53 was his best run.

4.53 and Georgetown still sucks!
 
i would've guessed that was his time last year so i'm not disappointed - i thought his speed was overrated last year
 
I think it's fair to say that one of Erv's best attributes is his speed. He now plays a position that depends on very good speed. I'm not saying that 4.53 is bad, I just would have expected him to be a 4.4 speed guy. And who knows, maybe he is and didn't have the best test day.

I also think that at the D-1 power 5 level, 95% of the team would kill for a 4.53 time. But to be successful a team at this level has to have 3-5 players that can run a sub 4.5 on a consistent basis.

Not to pile on, but I think you are underestimating just how fast 4.53 is. Way fewer than the 5% you attribute to D1 power 5 run that fast.

I'd say that him being clocked at 4.53 is probably more of an accurate depiction, compared to the embellished 4.4 / 4.3 times we always see reported. Meanwhile, those times would be amongst the fastest at the NFL combine, but those numbers get thrown out with regularity with recruits. I'd venture to say that the vast majority of guys with elite speed capabilities run a tick slower than their reported times -- in other words, right on par with what Erv was clocked at. He's plenty fast, just not Qadry Ismail. Few are.
 
He is more quick than fast. His vision allows him to see things open up before others do. He also has great feet that allows him to make suddle moves and bursts. Which makes him look faster on the field. Coming out of high school, he was a 4.5 guy.
 
Straight line speed is essential, especially for WRs and DBs, and, to a lesser extent, RBs. So is lateral quickness, balance, vision and strength. Without every knowing Erv's 40, it is obvious from watching him play that he has the lateral quickness, balance and vision that few others on the team possess. That's why he played so much as a true Freshman.
 
Not to pile on, but I think you are underestimating just how fast 4.53 is. Way fewer than the 5% you attribute to D1 power 5 run that fast.

I'd say that him being clocked at 4.53 is probably more of an accurate depiction, compared to the embellished 4.4 / 4.3 times we always see reported. Meanwhile, those times would be amongst the fastest at the NFL combine, but those numbers get thrown out with regularity with recruits. I'd venture to say that the vast majority of guys with elite speed capabilities run a tick slower than their reported times -- in other words, right on par with what Erv was clocked at. He's plenty fast, just not Qadry Ismail. Few are.
problem is they might've timed him the same flawed way they do for everyone else
 
problem is they might've timed him the same flawed way they do for everyone else

I think it is far less likely that Erv is a 4.7 guy who got clocked fast being measured by coaches at the collegiate level than it is for kids at combines to get overestimated with some guy standing there with a stopwatch.

Plus, straight line speed is overrated in football. Philips has good vision and good feet, he makes strong cuts and hits openings fast. That's more important IMO than him having no elusiveness but running a shade faster in an artificial 40 yard dash.
 
Not disappointed at all. I thought it was just a more accurately reported time. 4.53 is blazing fast. I’m so tired of people thinking that’s slow. That time would be as fast as any middie to ever suite up for SU lax team except a few. And there’s always a few true 4.4 kids. But if Erv ran .04 tenths of a second faster – what’s that an eye blink – he’s in the 4.4 range. Much ado about nothing and you don’t need a stop watch to see how football fast he is. For Erv it’s about his ankle breaking cuts and short burst.
 
Not disappointed at all. I thought it was just a more accurately reported time. 4.53 is blazing fast. I’m so tired of people thinking that’s slow. That time would be as fast as any middie to ever suite up for SU lax team except a few. And there’s always a few true 4.4 kids. But if Erv ran .04 tenths of a second faster – what’s that an eye blink – he’s in the 4.4 range. Much ado about nothing and you don’t need a stop watch to see how football fast he is. For Erv it’s about his ankle breaking cuts and short burst.
longest run last year was 17 yards. longest pass was 9 but when mcf***it only throws bubble screens into triple coverage, what can you do

i'm less sold than others. not saying anything bad about him, i'm just saying i didn't see what other people saw last year
 
Millhouse said:
longest run last year was 17 yards. longest pass was 9 but when mcf***it only throws bubble screens into triple coverage, what can you do i'm less sold than others. not saying anything bad about him, i'm just saying i didn't see what other people saw last year

I think he needs to show more this year for sure. But I think I was most excited to see how he moved vs McFarlane, Morris - quick, good eyes, one cut then burn.
 
But to be successful a team at this level has to have 3-5 players that can run a sub 4.5 on a consistent basis.

I never personally agreed with this idea. Every year our fastest players on the team that we tout, end up being somewhat disappointing by the time the season is over. Our best WR's the last few years are never our fastest guys. West, Lemon, Sales, and Mike Williams. Even our 2nd and 3rd best players in receiving stats (which aren't impressive) are not typically the fastest guys in the WR/TE corp. Broyld, Clark, Provo...
 

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