Personnel changes on the OL

[shu 49]

I think that is coming. I suspect we will see play action out of the sets that have been heavy run, especially some of the stuff we put on tape vs HC. Personnel groupings have also been a signal on running plays.

A big one lol

 

[upperdeck]

I think we are losing site of one of the things Fran has said. Kyle is running RPO much more than we are calling run or pass

the play from the grouping has more to do with what the D is doing than what the play is calling for.

I have a feeling often from the bunch set we have the match in the box they want to make the play be a run and if you watch plays many should work but execution is poor.

This is much more than we run when we bunch things.

much like why last week become pass heavy Kyle saw pass first plays.

 

[OburgCuse]

The “Addazzio” though will never happen with HCFB.. Just my humble opinion but unless he knows him personally i don't think that will ever happen

There is a relationship. Addazio first hired Fran to the Temple staff in 2012. Addazio was also with Erob at Texas A&M the last couple of years so lots of familiarity with staff. I assumed Addazio was a shoe in (contract wasn’t renewed at A&M) if both parties wanted it. Just not sure which party

 

[FrancoPizza]

There is a relationship. Addazio first hired Fran to the Temple staff in 2012. Addazio was also with Erob at Texas A&M the last couple of years so lots of familiarity with staff. I assumed Addazio was a shoe in (contract wasn’t renewed at A&M) if both parties wanted it. Just not sure which party

Would be a great question for the call in show. Or maybe a private email if it’s a sensitive topic.

 

[Cuse181]

Honestly I could care less if they run at all now. It barely functions and 3rd and longs without a sack we still have a shot. I want 3 chances to throw.

its not like teams honor the play action any more anyway.

Syracuse does, theyve been burned by it multiple times

 

[Cuse181]

Highest attempts per game in the country, it’s gonna happen

Sack rate is 41st according to one stat place, and the sack rate is half of what it was last year.

Also havent played a pass defense outside the bottom 30% of the country... that helps quite a bit.

 

[shu 49]

When the tackles get beat 1x1 on the outside by speed rushers thats bad footwork or skill issue. But that comes with practice and we have seen we only seem to have 1 speed rusher on the roster to practice with.

When we get beat inside its often on stunts and many times its just bad handling of the stunt. We hand off guys and no one slides to take the handoff. You watch good teams do it and they get that extra push to move the D to the guy they are handing off to and we seldom do that.

On running plays we often just get beat, It cant be possible that every teams DT are just stronger than our oline is it?

I see us just not pushing hsrd enough or we dont wanna before too far out on RPO but who caresin mymind if we block a guy downfield too far lol. ourline doesnt have that knock your d in the dirt mentality. we badly needit to win coming up games.

 

[DomeHolmes]

When the tackles get beat 1x1 on the outside by speed rushers thats bad footwork or skill issue. But that comes with practice and we have seen we only seem to have 1 speed rusher on the roster to practice with.

When we get beat inside its often on stunts and many times its just bad handling of the stunt. We hand off guys and no one slides to take the handoff. You watch good teams do it and they get that extra push to move the D to the guy they are handing off to and we seldom do that.

On running plays we often just get beat, It cant be possible that every teams DT are just stronger than our oline is it?

Two good points here. Your first point is correct about bad footwork. On obvious passing plays, the tackles’ hand is not in the dirt, and he’s already mostly standing up and angled toward the wide set speed rusher. The tackle needs to look and see if there is contain from an OLB behind the defensive end. if there is none, he should not have to worry about the DE dipping inside him because the quarterback can escape to a clean rollout. That allows the tackle to focus almost exclusively on not getting beat by a guy rushing right by him. All it requires is a step toward the DE and long arms. (It’s kind of like a soccer goalie coming out toward a breakaway player to cut down the angle.)

with your third question, I don’t think it’s strength. I think it’s explosiveness, athleticism, and nastiness. Not to be too critical of Bradford but in the play I described the other post, a nasty guy who weighs 310 does not pass up an opportunity to light up a 220 pound linebacker, Who is right in his wheelhouse.

However, with holy Cross, the guy that blew up Petry a few times I believe was number 98. That guy was legit and if he’s an underclassmen could definitely play FCS.

 

[OrangeFreek]

There is a relationship. Addazio first hired Fran to the Temple staff in 2012. Addazio was also with Erob at Texas A&M the last couple of years so lots of familiarity with staff. I assumed Addazio was a shoe in (contract wasn’t renewed at A&M) if both parties wanted it. Just not sure which party

I did not know this. Interesting

 

[SyraGus]

Also havent played a pass defense outside the bottom 30% of the country... that helps quite a bit.

Flip side of the coin: those pass defense stats would be rated higher if they didn't have to contend with SU.

 

[shu 49]

Two good points here. Your first point is correct about bad footwork. On obvious passing plays, the tackles’ hand is not in the dirt, and he’s already mostly standing up and angled toward the wide set speed rusher. The tackle needs to look and see if there is contain from an OLB behind the defensive end. if there is none, he should not have to worry about the DE dipping inside him because the quarterback can escape to a clean rollout. That allows the tackle to focus almost exclusively on not getting beat by a guy rushing right by him. All it requires is a step toward the DE and long arms. (It’s kind of like a soccer goalie coming out toward a breakaway player to cut down the angle.)

with your third question, I don’t think it’s strength. I think it’s explosiveness, athleticism, and nastiness. Not to be too critical of Bradford but in the play I described the other post, a nasty guy who weighs 310 does not pass up an opportunity to light up a 220 pound linebacker, Who is right in his wheelhouse.

However, with holy Cross, the guy that blew up Petry a few times I believe was number 98. That guy was legit and if he’s an underclassmen could definitely play FCS.

I think your right about length but with true speed rudhersu gotta,@ 6'8 get a good kick back keeping center of gravity thru hips and legs. Neither tackles did this at Stanford. I seen both with bad kick and slight lunge while defenderwas already under and past hip to QB. Big guys gotta have mobility, big kick, and explosive hands to slow defender down.

 

[Cuse181]

Flip side of the coin: those pass defense stats would be rated higher if they didn't have to contend with SU.

Sure, chicken or the egg.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I think your right about length but with true speed rudhersu gotta,@ 6'8 get a good kick back keeping center of gravity thru hips and legs. Neither tackles did this at Stanford. I seen both with bad kick and slight lunge while defenderwas already under and past hip to QB. Big guys gotta have mobility, big kick, and explosive hands to slow defender down.

Did they not evaluate this on film before signing the portal starters? I don’t understand why we’re discovering this in game 3.

 

[DomeHolmes]

I think your right about length but with true speed rudhersu gotta,@ 6'8 get a good kick back keeping center of gravity thru hips and legs. Neither tackles did this at Stanford. I seen both with bad kick and slight lunge while defenderwas already under and past hip to QB. Big guys gotta have mobility, big kick, and explosive hands to slow defender down.

All true, I was speaking specifically about the “extra wide” set we saw a few times from speed rushers. Specifically versus Cruz and Washington. In this game (and last week), the rushers they used in these sets I don’t even think have been smaller defense ends. I think they’ve been linebackers and even defensive backs (for extra quickness) and I think the tape is out that both of those guys can be speed rushed in this manor. So if they do not have the requisite lateral movement, cutting down the angle by stepping toward them can be effective, by ensuring at minimum, you get your hands on them. Even with the slower speed of our tackles, if they just took their first step as a slide step to the right, at least they are getting in the way. The three times I can remember us getting beat with this type of rush, all they did was lean and whiff. I’ll be looking carefully Friday to see if UNLV lines up anyone that wide. I suspect they will.

 

[upperdeck]

the key is dont get into 3rd and long where teams go do stuff with undersized guys.

 

[GoSU96]

the key is dont get into 3rd and long where teams go do stuff with undersized guys.

On 3rd and 10 or more they converted on 8 of 16 attempts passing Into 1st downs. On 3rd and 7-9 they are 6 of 12 with 4 1st downs.

Every poor rep does not equal every rep.

 

[DomeHolmes]

I think your right about length but with true speed rudhersu gotta,@ 6'8 get a good kick back keeping center of gravity thru hips and legs. Neither tackles did this at Stanford. I seen both with bad kick and slight lunge while defenderwas already under and past hip to QB. Big guys gotta have mobility, big kick, and explosive hands to slow defender down.

Just went back to look to see if what I thought was true about undersized guys at DE. It turns out their two “defensive ends” on the third long were a safety (220) and a linebacker (235). I watched a lot of the plays in the first half and quite often the tackles are not getting enough depth. Then I looked at the 40 second mark of the second period. Washington does a great job getting enough depth to give the speed rusher the only option of going inside and getting washed in the pile. that is the blueprint for neutralizing the speed rush with your feet. It shows it’s something he’s capable of and should be repeatable.

 

[DomeHolmes]

I think we are losing site of one of the things Fran has said. Kyle is running RPO much more than we are calling run or pass

the play from the grouping has more to do with what the D is doing than what the play is calling for.

I have a feeling often from the bunch set we have the match in the box they want to make the play be a run and if you watch plays many should work but execution is poor.

This is much more than we run when we bunch things.

much like why last week become pass heavy Kyle saw pass first plays.

What I should have said was inside the 10 yard line. We always run out of that formation.

 

[upperdeck]

One interesting thing that always puzzled me and it was brought up on Meathead radio today by Jimbo today. He was talking about formations and audibles and such, and mentioned that you in some cases can make the offense audible to a play by playing a certain D with a formation.

I know that Dinos team did it, I just wonder how much this offense is doing it.

We go bunch so the D goes to whatever and Kyle is being drilled to do X when he sees something. if the D knows we go bunch and show a look do we have the correct variations

Just an example of why we run so much from a formation in areas of the field. We go bunch the D goes to 5-6 in the box does that make the RPO become more run heavy, Which we dont do well and the Ds know that so show a look that will more often became a run and an easier play to stop?

Sounds like a SWC question for next week

 

[DomeHolmes]

Also havent played a pass defense outside the bottom 30% of the country... that helps quite a bit.

We definitely skew the numbers for Ohio and Georgia Tech, in their other four games they each give up about 200 yards a game which is right in the middle of the pack. For Stanford, they would still be ranked in the low 100s , except since their run defense is so good, teams are kind of forced to pass against them. Also, UNLV comes in a little bit hyped up as a good defense, but Kansas and Houston are last and second to last in the big 12 in passing offense, and their numbers versus UNLV are not much different than their averages.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Why do fans on this site think they know more than the coaches? The coaches see these kids in practice and this is what they do for a living. I was surprised about some of the OL starters...but I TRUST THE COACHES KNOW MORE THAN I DO...

Personally, I am undefeated with my coaching decisions.

 

[upperdeck]

it gets lost in the clutter but Stan ran for 236 against Clemson 361 total
they ran for 173 and 351 total vs SU

GT ran for 190.224 and 112 vs SU then came back for 190 and 100 vs LOU

We have issues but our D has played as good or better than what every other team has seen since the beginning of the OHIO Game

We need to do the same on offense.
teams have thrown 210-230-150-316 against UNLV

we need to run enough to make them honor it but the pass is where we can win the game. We cant throw
4 picks like Fresno did and give them several gift TDS

 

[shu 49]

Did they not evaluate this on film before signing the portal starters? I don’t understand why we’re discovering this in game 3.

Ya know, now that u said that, i bet Stanford knew how too attack Washington from their win against them last year in Colorado.

 

[shu 49]

All true, I was speaking specifically about the “extra wide” set we saw a few times from speed rushers. Specifically versus Cruz and Washington. In this game (and last week), the rushers they used in these sets I don’t even think have been smaller defense ends. I think they’ve been linebackers and even defensive backs (for extra quickness) and I think the tape is out that both of those guys can be speed rushed in this manor. So if they do not have the requisite lateral movement, cutting down the angle by stepping toward them can be effective, by ensuring at minimum, you get your hands on them. Even with the slower speed of our tackles, if they just took their first step as a slide step to the right, at least they are getting in the way. The three times I can remember us getting beat with this type of rush, all they did was lean and whiff. I’ll be looking carefully Friday to see if UNLV lines up anyone that wide. I suspect they will.

Exactly

 

[Niastri]

Also havent played a pass defense outside the bottom 30% of the country... that helps quite a bit.

This is a chicken or the egg situation... If you've only played 3-4 games and one of them somebody put up almost 400 yards and 4 touchdowns on you, you're going to be a low ranking in pass defense.