69 to 7.....

[Dinkyspond]

The only bubble we'll see this season is the NIT bubble. The goalposts for 21-22 have moved. A .500 record and an NIT. We are out of the NCAA discussion before the end of January..A new low for the program.

 

[HoustonCuse]

You don’t think Buddy and Cole didn’t come into the year with expectations? If you’re going to blame Benny on this team then shame on you. Blame it on the two seniors not on a freshman.

I know you didn’t direct this at me, but I do feel compelled that I have no blame or malice towards Benny. Based on his HS ranking, he should be a good player. He just hasn’t shown anything other than athleticism yet. I would, of course, prefer that we didn’t have to play Buddy and Jimmy such big minutes but they’re really all we’ve got. Yes that is definitely JBs fault but he didn’t stack the deck here, he brought Benny in with the hopes he’d be able to help and he has given him a good number of chances. It just hasn’t come together for the guy yet. I hope it does, but games aren’t typically where you suddenly improve.

 

[Cuse12]

Newton was better last year as a Frosh then Benny is this year.

I literally forgot about him because we turn players over like pancakes now days.

This actually infuriates me. Woody was good.

 

[Cuse12]

Again, we seem to have different memories of someone’s freshman season.

And this season isn’t shot.

This season is the definition of SHOT for Syracuse. We have different levels of expectations here. And when we haven’t been ranked in conference play in 8 years… yes almost a DECADE. There’s a problem. This season is shot as shot can be.

 

[newmexicuse]

It’s so frustrating to see these posts over and over. Just step back and look at it without the lens of your hatred for the Boeheim family. Buddy and Jimmy are far better basketball players in every single facet than Benny is. For all the grief you people dole out about substitution decisions, you are now arguing that demonstrably bad players be force fed minutes. You’re arguing for the very thing you claim to be against. You think the coach only gives minutes to Buddy and Jimmy because of their last name, but you want to limit their minutes based only on their last name.

Wow, you so miss the point here. The game was a non-competitive runaway. Yeah, Bennie has a long ways to go, nobody here is disputing that. The issue is.....can Bennie be brought along enough to provide help from time to time this season ?? That can only possibly way for that to happen if he gets some PT. This game was an opportunity to get Bennie that PT without any risk to the outcome.

This team is in serious jeopardy of having its mediocrity transcend the Streak. Changes pretty clearly need to happen if there is to be improvement. Symir is improving w PT, why can we not see if Bennie can also improve to provide some help ? Clearly this team's weakness is lack of athleticism, and Bennie is arguably our best pure athlete after Jesse. The D is horrid, Bennie has the quickness to potentially guard the three point line and still be able to help inside, his potentially helping and improving is more than about his scoring.

You say I hate the Boeheim family. That is just plain ridiculous. I have the opinion, as do many others on this forum, that the game has passed Jimmy by, and that it is time for a change. It is indisputable that the program has been on a long, slow decline. We are not talking one or two bad seasons here. Everybody gets passed by by Father Time sooner or later. Father Time and the evolution of the game have caught up with Jimmy IMHO. That opinion does not make me a hater. I value Jimmy's accomplishments as much as any fan on this forum, but that does not mean it is not time to move on.

As for his kids, I have zero issue with either one of them. They both try hard, and it is not their fault if Dad shows favoritism (and, yes, I believe Jimmy does show favoritism). I would love to have Buddy and Jimmy on any college level squad, the problem is that there is something really wrong with recruiting, coaching, and roster construction when they both need to play 35 MPG, give or take. And it is inexcusable that there is no decline in those minutes in a runaway game that precludes anybody else getting a chance to play or develop.

 

[City of Cuse]

Wow, you so miss the point here. The game was a non-competitive runaway. Yeah, Bennie has a long ways to go, nobody here is disputing that. The issue is...can Bennie be brought along enough to provide help from time to time this season ?? That can only possibly way for that to happen if he gets some PT. This game was an opportunity to get Bennie that PT without any risk to the outcome.

He has played some significant minutes this season.

The minutes may be better given to someone that is physically and mentally ready this year. Not saying to give up on him, just saying his big jump will likely happen over the summer not while getting a shellacking from duke.

 

[kcsu]

I know you didn’t direct this at me, but I do feel compelled that I have no blame or malice towards Benny. Based on his HS ranking, he should be a good player. He just hasn’t shown anything other than athleticism yet. I would, of course, prefer that we didn’t have to play Buddy and Jimmy such big minutes but they’re really all we’ve got. Yes that is definitely JBs fault but he didn’t stack the deck here, he brought Benny in with the hopes he’d be able to help and he has given him a good number of chances. It just hasn’t come together for the guy yet. I hope it does, but games aren’t typically where you suddenly improve.

This is exactly the type of game he should be playing in the entire second half.
Jimmy's a good player. Cole has been disappointing. They are both similar and neither on brings much in the way of D and they are both average athletically.
I agree Benny is raw but he needs to see game minutes. Games are completely different than practice. There is no comparison. Benny's upside is twice Coles or Jimmy's. The season is a wash. Baring a miracle we are not making the tournament. Play the kid 25 a game and watch. He will miraculously get better.

 

[Cuse181]

You don’t think Buddy and Cole didn’t come into the year with expectations? If you’re going to blame Benny on this team then shame on you. Blame it on the two seniors not on a freshman.

Of course they had expectations and they haven’t lived up to those either. This is a vacuum conversation though, and my point is that benny’s expectations are what is making people upset about his lack of playing time, not his actual performances. If he was a 3 star no one would bat an eye that he isn’t seeing the floor, but since someone gave him 5 stars last year he was supposed to be the next Dion waiters even though he obviously just isn’t there yet.

I’m also not blaming him, he didn’t give himself the rating and I never said he is the reason the team is trash this year. You’re arguing yourself on that point.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

He has played some significant minutes this season. View attachment 213104
The minutes may be better given to someone that is physically and mentally ready this year. Not saying to give up on him, just saying his big jump will likely happen over the summer not while getting a shellacking from duke.

Some people make it seem like he hasn't had ANY opportunities this year. Ten games in double figure minutes including four over 20 minutes. JAB might be old in some aspects but he is trying to work Benny in when he feels it's right. It's a lot different than with Kadary last year but it's good to see Symir earning more minutes lately.

Hopefully Benny will earn more minutes soon as well.

 

[Bayside44]

I literally forgot about him because we turn players over like pancakes now days.

This actually infuriates me. Woody was good.

He's also a non-entity on a 10-8 hoops team. Sometimes it's on the player.

 

[Day2]

This season is the definition of SHOT for Syracuse. We have different levels of expectations here. And when we haven’t been ranked in conference play in 8 years… yes almost a DECADE. There’s a problem. This season is shot as shot can be.

 

[Day2]

Wow, you so miss the point here. The game was a non-competitive runaway. Yeah, Bennie has a long ways to go, nobody here is disputing that. The issue is...can Bennie be brought along enough to provide help from time to time this season ?? That can only possibly way for that to happen if he gets some PT. This game was an opportunity to get Bennie that PT without any risk to the outcome.

This team is in serious jeopardy of having its mediocrity transcend the Streak. Changes pretty clearly need to happen if there is to be improvement. Symir is improving w PT, why can we not see if Bennie can also improve to provide some help ? Clearly this team's weakness is lack of athleticism, and Bennie is arguably our best pure athlete after Jesse. The D is horrid, Bennie has the quickness to potentially guard the three point line and still be able to help inside, his potentially helping and improving is more than about his scoring.

You say I hate the Boeheim family. That is just plain ridiculous. I have the opinion, as do many others on this forum, that the game has passed Jimmy by, and that it is time for a change. It is indisputable that the program has been on a long, slow decline. We are not talking one or two bad seasons here. Everybody gets passed by by Father Time sooner or later. Father Time and the evolution of the game have caught up with Jimmy IMHO. That opinion does not make me a hater. I value Jimmy's accomplishments as much as any fan on this forum, but that does not mean it is not time to move on.

As for his kids, I have zero issue with either one of them. They both try hard, and it is not their fault if Dad shows favoritism (and, yes, I believe Jimmy does show favoritism). I would love to have Buddy and Jimmy on any college level squad, the problem is that there is something really wrong with recruiting, coaching, and roster construction when they both need to play 35 MPG, give or take. And it is inexcusable that there is no decline in those minutes in a runaway game that precludes anybody else getting a chance to play or develop.

The two statements I bolded are not facts. It is also possible to improve during practice, and that’s what Torrence has done.

 

[Madbiker]

Yes, Benny has not shown much on the offensive end. But in all honesty it's hard to show anything when you get one 3-4 minute stretch per game and immediately get pulled if you make a mistake.