A few stats for our four most important scorers through 5 games

[cliftonparksufan]

MINUTES PLAYED
Judah 153
JJ 180
Chris 146
Justin 149

SHOTS MADE/ATTEMPTED
Judah 32/73
JJ 26/68
Chris 25/69
Justin 12/35

TOTAL POINTS
Judah 106
JJ 64
Chris 64
Justin 33

POINTS PER MINUTE
Judah .69
JJ .36
Chris .44
Justin .22

I won't include shooting percentage since it's pretty ugly along with 3 point percentage. Surprisingly Judah only has a few more shots than JJ and Chris, but he has drawn the most fouls and has taken three times as many FT's as anyone else. Not that Justin is setting the world on fire, but it would be nice to see him be a little more aggressive in his shooting, which I would hope the coaches would be telling him. Especially considering he has played more minutes than Chris with 34 less shot attempts. McLeod is shooting 8-8 in his field goal percentage. Hopefully our guys are recognizing that, and we know there are issues, but somehow they need to work more plays for the big guy.

2023-24 Men's Basketball Cumulative Statistics

The official 2023-24 Men's Basketball cumulative statistics for the Syracuse University Orange

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[OttoinGrotto]

Here's the thing about Taylor - he's not passing up shots. I know a lot of people want him to be more aggressive, but it's not like he's open all the time and just not letting it fly.

He has a hard time getting open, especially against better competition. You can see him working for it and trying to get to spots, it just doesn't result in good looks. I don't know if it's speed, I don't know if it's athleticism, I don't know if it's court sense, but for whatever reason it's rare that Taylor is in position for good looks, especially relative to Bell. Bell shoots a lot but they aren't bad shots. He just gets open. Taylor shooting more means he's probably forcing himself to take a lot more difficult shots. I'm not sure that's great for the offense either.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Here's the thing about Taylor - he's not passing up shots. I know a lot of people want him to be more aggressive, but it's not like he's open all the time and just not letting it fly.

He has a hard time getting open, especially against better competition. You can see him working for it and trying to get to spots, it just doesn't result in good looks. I don't know if it's speed, I don't know if it's athleticism, I don't know if it's court sense, but for whatever reason it's rare that Taylor is in position for good looks, especially relative to Bell. Bell shoots a lot but they aren't bad shots. He just gets open. Taylor shooting more means he's probably forcing himself to take a lot more difficult shots. I'm not sure that's great for the offense either.

True, but he needs to use his size and girth to create shots, especially mid range. Chris is a touch taller but a lot thinner and he is able to create good looks. He just needs to convert more on a consistent basis.

 

[tbonezone]

a team that can't make open threes probably ain't gonna make the tourney. just today's reality.

 

[malpearl31]

MINUTES PLAYED
Judah 153
JJ 130
Chris 146
Justin 149

SHOTS MADE/ATTEMPTED
Judah 32/73
JJ 26/68
Chris 25/69
Justin 12/35

TOTAL POINTS
Judah 106
JJ 64
Chris 64
Justin 33

POINTS PER MINUTE
Judah .69
JJ .49
Chris .44
Justin .22

I won't include shooting percentage since it's pretty ugly along with 3 point percentage. Surprisingly Judah only has a few more shots than JJ and Chris, but he has drawn the most fouls and has taken three times as many FT's as anyone else. Not that Justin is setting the world on fire, but it would be nice to see him be a little more aggressive in his shooting, which I would hope the coaches would be telling him. Especially considering he has played more minutes than Chris with 34 less shot attempts. McLeod is shooting 8-8 in his field goal percentage. Hopefully our guys are recognizing that, and we know there are issues, but somehow they need to work more plays for the big guy.

2023-24 Men's Basketball Cumulative Statistics

The official 2023-24 Men's Basketball cumulative statistics for the Syracuse University Orange

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180 minutes played for JJ, not 130. JJ’s averaging 36 mpg - highest on the roster.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

180 minutes played for JJ, not 130. JJ’s averaging 36 mpg - highest on the roster.

Typo. Thanks. Couldn't read my chicken scratch. Makes it look even worse.

 

[two3zone]

Here's the thing about Taylor - he's not passing up shots. I know a lot of people want him to be more aggressive, but it's not like he's open all the time and just not letting it fly.

He has a hard time getting open, especially against better competition. You can see him working for it and trying to get to spots, it just doesn't result in good looks. I don't know if it's speed, I don't know if it's athleticism, I don't know if it's court sense, but for whatever reason it's rare that Taylor is in position for good looks, especially relative to Bell. Bell shoots a lot but they aren't bad shots. He just gets open. Taylor shooting more means he's probably forcing himself to take a lot more difficult shots. I'm not sure that's great for the offense either.

I’m not sure I saw Bell take an open shot yesterday, before yesterday he seemed to be open but against Gonzaga I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a player in Orange force up so many bad jumpers in a single game.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I’m not even sure what we are trying to run on offense besides Judah or JJ head down to the basket so I’m not sure how anyone could think Bell or Taylor would get an open look.

 

[orangefog]

I haven't been able to watch the last two games (thankfully), but do any of our guys set screens aside from the center picking at the top and then neither popping nor rolling? No back screens, no backdoor cuts, pretty much no cutting at all. Just stand around the three point line and hope your defender falls asleep and leaves you open for a moment. That's our offense.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I haven't been able to watch the last two games (thankfully), but do any of our guys set screens aside from the center picking at the top and then neither popping nor rolling? No back screens, no backdoor cuts, pretty much no cutting at all. Just stand around the three point line and hope your defender falls asleep and leaves you open for a moment. That's our offense.

Theres been zero off ball movement or screens whatsoever.

 

[two3zone]

Theres been zero off ball movement or screens whatsoever.

Whomever has the ball shoots it or drives it after one or two at the most passes around the perimeter, I’ve seen more complex offenses at LA Fitness. I can’t imagine Red rolling whatever this scheme out, at least I hope it’s not.

 

[orangefog]

Theres been zero off ball movement or screens whatsoever.

To me, we can complain about the players, but the issue is the coaching. We're 5 games in, so the jury is still out, but I don't think our coaches know how to coach offense.

 

[two3zone]

To me, we can complain about the players, but the issue is the coaching. We're 5 games in, so the jury is still out, but I don't think our coaches know how to coach offense.

I’m on the other side, I think we start 3 selfish players, 1 player who isn’t ready for this level and another guy who has no business getting any minutes and that’s without mentioning anyone on the bench, those selfish guys dominate the ball and unfortunately you really can’t take out Mintz or Starling because the alternatives to them are not good. He doesn’t have an easy job right now but he really needs to get this guys on board with whatever he’s trying to do on offense, if this is what he wants to do then Ill admit I’m a little concerned.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Here's the thing about Taylor - he's not passing up shots. I know a lot of people want him to be more aggressive, but it's not like he's open all the time and just not letting it fly.

He has a hard time getting open, especially against better competition. You can see him working for it and trying to get to spots, it just doesn't result in good looks. I don't know if it's speed, I don't know if it's athleticism, I don't know if it's court sense, but for whatever reason it's rare that Taylor is in position for good looks, especially relative to Bell. Bell shoots a lot but they aren't bad shots. He just gets open. Taylor shooting more means he's probably forcing himself to take a lot more difficult shots. I'm not sure that's great for the offense either.

Taylor has a true jump shot and a high release. He can get it off but it’s slow and I see him fading a lot right now. Ideally we run him off down screens like we used to do with Andy, but that requires great body control and he was a master at getting square. He’s clearly got good size and strength and it would be great if he had more of a post up game to shoot from 10’ or so.

On the other side, Bell is a set shooter with a much faster release. He’s the guy that should be getting catch and shoot looks, which is happening, often from the baseline where he has had success. Unfortunately it’s been extremely streaky.

 

[Cusefan0307]

To me, we can complain about the players, but the issue is the coaching. We're 5 games in, so the jury is still out, but I don't think our coaches know how to coach offense.

Posters close to Red claim we aren’t executing what was installed which I guess is a completely different problem.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Taylor has a true jump shot and a high release. He can get it off but it’s slow and I see him fading a lot right now. Ideally we run him off down screens like we used to do with Andy, but that requires great body control and he was a master at getting square. He’s clearly got good size and strength and it would be great if he had more of a post up game to shoot from 10’ or so.

On the other side, Bell is a set shooter with a much faster release. He’s the guy that should be getting catch and shoot looks, which is happening, often from the baseline where he has had success. Unfortunately it’s been extremely streaky.

They also aren’t isolation players and that’s what they are being forced to do out there. It’s insanity.

 

[orangefog]

I’m on the other side, I think we start 3 selfish players, 1 player who isn’t ready for this level and another guy who has no business getting any minutes and that’s without mentioning anyone on the bench, those selfish guys dominate the ball and unfortunately you really can’t take out Mintz or Starling because the alternatives to them are not good. He doesn’t have an easy job right now but he really needs to get this guys on board with whatever he’s trying to do on offense, if this is what he wants to do then Ill admit I’m a little concerned.

You may be right. But, guys not moving tells me that they aren't taught how to move. Selfish players should get benched. I would take a properly coached yet less talented player over a ball stopping ball hog any day of the week. The selfish player will either adapt or leave, either way the offense would be better with players willing to run it. Anyway, I just don't think our guys have been taught how to run an offense. I hope that the coaches and players start watching really good teams and recognize they need to figure this out.

 

[orangefog]

Posters close to Red claim we aren’t executing what was installed which I guess is a completely different problem.

It is hard to believe that every player has refused to play the way the coach wants them to. Benny has been suspended for something. How about suspend players for not obeying the coach?

 

[MikeSU02]

I missed the last two games. But here’s my take on the season so far and I’m using Chris Bell as the focus, but to be clear, I can go in on most of the guys:

Chris Bell has started 35 games for SU and has a career PER less than 10. His eFG is under .500 for his career and under .450 this year. He doesn’t rebound and doesn’t get assists. His defense speaks for itself.

And I can’t tell you he should necessarily be benched (or at least not start) bc of how poor some of the other guys are playing.

I know this is a marathon and not a sprint, so I’m fine with being patient.

But while Red has some work to do, guys like Bell, JT, JJ, etc have a lot of work to do. Judah, I’m very scared that he’s playing his own game. I get we need him and he has put up some big aggregate numbers, but for a lead guard, I need to measure him on how the full team improves bc of him.

I am excited for the type of guys that Red is bringing in next year. I think we have redundancy with JJ and Judah and Red is learning on the fly.

Need to be able to inbound the ball, tho.

 

[upperdeck]

I’m not sure I saw Bell take an open shot yesterday, before yesterday he seemed to be open but against Gonzaga I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a player in Orange force up so many bad jumpers in a single game.

I don't think he took that many not open shots.. With his shot a guy near him doesn't mean he isn't open. h forced a couple when attack though. Almost all his 3s were pretty clear looks.

If you are a shooter like he is that doesn't elevate, it doesn't even matter if guys are near your feet.

 

[tbonezone]

To me, we can complain about the players, but the issue is the coaching. We're 5 games in, so the jury is still out, but I don't think our coaches know how to coach offense.

and this is the problem with the all in house hiring policies at Syracuse. no fresh ideas. same old.

 

[FrancoPizza]

To me, we can complain about the players, but the issue is the coaching. We're 5 games in, so the jury is still out, but I don't think our coaches know how to coach offense.

These are the same exact coaches as last year, more or less. I guess it was too much to hope that they had new ideas.

 

[sufandu]

Posters close to Red claim we aren’t executing what was installed which I guess is a completely different problem.

Yeah. When a coach installs something, and the playerw don't run it, what does that say? Do they not understand it? Are they ignoring the coach? Which would be worse?

 

[AlaskaSU]

Concerned that JJ is Coaches pet. He is terribly inefficient and gets more minutes than he deserves. Taylor, on the other hand, is more efficient but does not get his shot off enough. On good teams neither would be starting. Same for Bell although he could be a good role player off the bench. And, we do not have a center who would start for a good team.

Cope has a high ceiling. He is by far our most athletic player, but still a project.

Brown at PF and Benny at small forward would be our best lineup along with Cope and Judah and Hima when healthy.

 

[Zepharus]

Here's the thing about Taylor - he's not passing up shots. I know a lot of people want him to be more aggressive, but it's not like he's open all the time and just not letting it fly.

He has a hard time getting open, especially against better competition. You can see him working for it and trying to get to spots, it just doesn't result in good looks. I don't know if it's speed, I don't know if it's athleticism, I don't know if it's court sense, but for whatever reason it's rare that Taylor is in position for good looks, especially relative to Bell. Bell shoots a lot but they aren't bad shots. He just gets open. Taylor shooting more means he's probably forcing himself to take a lot more difficult shots. I'm not sure that's great for the offense either.

He put on too much bulk. Its affecting his shooting. Also whats with his stoke?? at the apex of his shot, his offhand is ON TOP of the ball. Very odd