A-Gap "Dives" - Please Analyze

[syracuse95]

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Look at the formation for the first play above. Let's analyze what we see pre-snap.

1. Carlos has a NG directly over him.
2. Sev has a man shaded slightly to his right.
3. LB stacked behind the DE.
4. Middle LB stacked behind the NG.
5. Another outside LB showing blitz outside the RT.
6. A CB sneaking into the box, showing blitz as well.

We know the play call is run, either into the A or B gap, hard to tell because it was blown up so quickly.

Before talking about what options could have been, let's see what happened post snap.

1. Sevaris took inside control with an attempt to seal the man shaded over him. (that tells me the run was suppose to be inside.
2. Rhino pulls into the box where the Middle LB is, leaving the outside linebacker free reign into the backfield. (Sev tried to chip him but couldn't handle two men).
3. Carlos gets absolutely blown up and pushed 3 yards back.

Result in the play - loss of 3.

What would I have liked to see:

1. I can't remember what our TE, lined up shaded outside of Sev did, but I remember him not being much help. Can he be responsible for a block of the DE, and have Sev pull into the gap to take in anyone coming in for a run fit? It's a hard block for the TE, but doable.
2. Inexperience from Rhino caused him to run looking for someone and missing the blitzing backer. You'd like to see him adjust and take him on. If Carlos doesn't get blown up, the RB at least has a chance to make a read.
3. Honestly, I would have liked to see an audible. You're getting a look at a heavy box. You have 1 on 1 coverage to both outsides. Can someone get a release and go over the top? Can someone play a quick slant after reading where the safety is? I obviously don't know the play call or what options could have been, but there were passing options there.
4. Do we have the capability of adding a wrinkle where we see the inside CB coming in to show blitz, and hitting the Slot for a quick hitter before the safety comes. Can we bubble the TE out for a quick hitter, leaving the outside WR for a 1 on 1 block, the inside WR for a block on the safety dropping over for coverage? That could be a spot where Bencon can use his speed.

I've always believe offense is a numbers game. Call the change where you have the advantage. I'd have to look at more specific plays continuing, but this Is just a thought after analyzing the first play of the game.

Maybe this was a designed run all the way, but that runs counter to the whole offensive scheme that we are supposedly running.

I obviously don't know our playbook, but the whole premise of the veer and shoot offense is that on most plays the QB has the option of giving to the RB inside, pulling it and running it himself to the outside, or pulling it then setting his feet and throwing it. The pre-snap read tells him whether he's going to run or throw, and it's based on numbers in the box. If the numbers dictate run, then the defensive end man on the LOS dictates RB inside or QB outside run. If the numbers dictate pass, then the coverage and position of the DB dictate the patterns to be run.

Looking at the pre-snap setup, Tommy sees that he's got 6 lined up in the box with a CB showing blitz (making 7), and a Safety with a 9 yard cushion over his slot man. This should have been a passing down. Ideally underneath to the slot receiver.

The whole point of "go fast" is only partly to run a lot of plays. It's also to force the D to commit to an alignment with enough time on the play clock to make the right presnap read. I'm not sure we made the right read here, or several of the other blown up running plays. That said, there are some things about our offense today that look very different from what we were running 3 years ago, so I'm not sure all of the RPO elements are installed at this point.
Either way, even with great execution, running into that defensive alignment was high risk, low reward.

 

[Redrum]

We have an impossible situation
Audibles are hard to do . Allow me one play not purposely throwing anyone under the bus
Trust me tommy has tire marks on him as well

3rd and 20 vs a 3 man rush we leave the back in as well that’s 6 vs 3 . now down and distance says throw or swing it to the back to get some yards and punt or a draw ... but we leave him in and what should happen ... well the Qb should have all day to find one of his 4 guys out vs there 8 and what happened ? Collapsed pocket Tommy slides through picks up 13 and we punt . We must fix this or there are no audibles .

 

[007]

View attachment 187874

Look at the formation for the first play above. Let's analyze what we see pre-snap.

1. Carlos has a NG directly over him.
2. Sev has a man shaded slightly to his right.
3. LB stacked behind the DE.
4. Middle LB stacked behind the NG.
5. Another outside LB showing blitz outside the RT.
6. A CB sneaking into the box, showing blitz as well.

We know the play call is run, either into the A or B gap, hard to tell because it was blown up so quickly.

Before talking about what options could have been, let's see what happened post snap.

1. Sevaris took inside control with an attempt to seal the man shaded over him. (that tells me the run was suppose to be inside.
2. Rhino pulls into the box where the Middle LB is, leaving the outside linebacker free reign into the backfield. (Sev tried to chip him but couldn't handle two men).
3. Carlos gets absolutely blown up and pushed 3 yards back.

Result in the play - loss of 3.

What would I have liked to see:

1. I can't remember what our TE, lined up shaded outside of Sev did, but I remember him not being much help. Can he be responsible for a block of the DE, and have Sev pull into the gap to take in anyone coming in for a run fit? It's a hard block for the TE, but doable.
2. Inexperience from Rhino caused him to run looking for someone and missing the blitzing backer. You'd like to see him adjust and take him on. If Carlos doesn't get blown up, the RB at least has a chance to make a read.
3. Honestly, I would have liked to see an audible. You're getting a look at a heavy box. You have 1 on 1 coverage to both outsides. Can someone get a release and go over the top? Can someone play a quick slant after reading where the safety is? I obviously don't know the play call or what options could have been, but there were passing options there.
4. Do we have the capability of adding a wrinkle where we see the inside CB coming in to show blitz, and hitting the Slot for a quick hitter before the safety comes. Can we bubble the TE out for a quick hitter, leaving the outside WR for a 1 on 1 block, the inside WR for a block on the safety dropping over for coverage? That could be a spot where Bencon can use his speed.

I've always believe offense is a numbers game. Call the change where you have the advantage. I'd have to look at more specific plays continuing, but this Is just a thought after analyzing the first play of the game.

Good analysis. The TE (Benson) stepped to the interior of the line at the snap and did not appear to look to block the DE. I think the movement of the TE in this formation is what the LB stacked behind the DE was keying on. He exploded to the A gap on Benson's first step and was in the backfield as TD was making the handoff. I think the CB "sneaking into the box" was rotating in to cover Benson or the back on a possible swing pass. The SS was rotating out to the slot.

I would guess that one counter to this type of D would be to run more play action off the RB dive. Release the TE up the seam, run slant from the slot behind TE, and go or post routes from X and Z.

I openly acknowledge this is amateur (at best) Monday morning coaching based on one play.

 

[orangepassion]

Would have loved a swing pass to Jordan there. Would love to see a bunch of quick swing passes to Jordan, in general. We have to play to our strengths. Jordan is space is a win for us. Jordan running between the tackles behind 2 new guards is generally a loss for us..at least at this point in the year.
We need quick passes to our quick guys, such as Jordan, Nykeim, Taj away from the sidelines, not forcing a 164-pound receiver (Taj) to try to battle to stay in bounds along the sidelines.

 

[Newhouser]

some refer to it as audible. Some call it a hot read.

so TD has the freedom to check out or does that come from the sideline?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

View attachment 187874

Look at the formation for the first play above. Let's analyze what we see pre-snap.

1. Carlos has a NG directly over him.
2. Sev has a man shaded slightly to his right.
3. LB stacked behind the DE.
4. Middle LB stacked behind the NG.
5. Another outside LB showing blitz outside the RT.
6. A CB sneaking into the box, showing blitz as well.

We know the play call is run, either into the A or B gap, hard to tell because it was blown up so quickly.

Before talking about what options could have been, let's see what happened post snap.

1. Sevaris took inside control with an attempt to seal the man shaded over him. (that tells me the run was suppose to be inside.
2. Rhino pulls into the box where the Middle LB is, leaving the outside linebacker free reign into the backfield. (Sev tried to chip him but couldn't handle two men).
3. Carlos gets absolutely blown up and pushed 3 yards back.

Result in the play - loss of 3.

What would I have liked to see:

1. I can't remember what our TE, lined up shaded outside of Sev did, but I remember him not being much help. Can he be responsible for a block of the DE, and have Sev pull into the gap to take in anyone coming in for a run fit? It's a hard block for the TE, but doable.
2. Inexperience from Rhino caused him to run looking for someone and missing the blitzing backer. You'd like to see him adjust and take him on. If Carlos doesn't get blown up, the RB at least has a chance to make a read.
3. Honestly, I would have liked to see an audible. You're getting a look at a heavy box. You have 1 on 1 coverage to both outsides. Can someone get a release and go over the top? Can someone play a quick slant after reading where the safety is? I obviously don't know the play call or what options could have been, but there were passing options there.
4. Do we have the capability of adding a wrinkle where we see the inside CB coming in to show blitz, and hitting the Slot for a quick hitter before the safety comes. Can we bubble the TE out for a quick hitter, leaving the outside WR for a 1 on 1 block, the inside WR for a block on the safety dropping over for coverage? That could be a spot where Bencon can use his speed.

I've always believe offense is a numbers game. Call the change where you have the advantage. I'd have to look at more specific plays continuing, but this Is just a thought after analyzing the first play of the game.

Yes, we should do #4 a lot more.

 

[blizz]

Box is 6+1. Add to that a zero nose with a linebacker stacked in the A gap. Pre-snap read should be that A gap is closed and a run to the read side is a no-go because the corner is creeping into the box. The correct play is to pull the ball from the inside dive and throw to the slot. Does the slot run a stick route? He should.

 

[GoSU96]

Box is 6+1. Add to that a zero nose with a linebacker stacked in the A gap. Pre-snap read should be that A gap is closed and a run to the read side is a no-go because the corner is creeping into the box. The correct play is to pull the ball from the inside dive and throw to the slot. Does the slot run a stick route? He should.

I'm surprised that doesn't end up snapping it over to to NJ like you say.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

View attachment 187874

Look at the formation for the first play above. Let's analyze what we see pre-snap.

1. Carlos has a NG directly over him.
2. Sev has a man shaded slightly to his right.
3. LB stacked behind the DE.
4. Middle LB stacked behind the NG.
5. Another outside LB showing blitz outside the RT.
6. A CB sneaking into the box, showing blitz as well.

We know the play call is run, either into the A or B gap, hard to tell because it was blown up so quickly.

Before talking about what options could have been, let's see what happened post snap.

1. Sevaris took inside control with an attempt to seal the man shaded over him. (that tells me the run was suppose to be inside.
2. Rhino pulls into the box where the Middle LB is, leaving the outside linebacker free reign into the backfield. (Sev tried to chip him but couldn't handle two men).
3. Carlos gets absolutely blown up and pushed 3 yards back.

Result in the play - loss of 3.

What would I have liked to see:

1. I can't remember what our TE, lined up shaded outside of Sev did, but I remember him not being much help. Can he be responsible for a block of the DE, and have Sev pull into the gap to take in anyone coming in for a run fit? It's a hard block for the TE, but doable.
2. Inexperience from Rhino caused him to run looking for someone and missing the blitzing backer. You'd like to see him adjust and take him on. If Carlos doesn't get blown up, the RB at least has a chance to make a read.
3. Honestly, I would have liked to see an audible. You're getting a look at a heavy box. You have 1 on 1 coverage to both outsides. Can someone get a release and go over the top? Can someone play a quick slant after reading where the safety is? I obviously don't know the play call or what options could have been, but there were passing options there.
4. Do we have the capability of adding a wrinkle where we see the inside CB coming in to show blitz, and hitting the Slot for a quick hitter before the safety comes. Can we bubble the TE out for a quick hitter, leaving the outside WR for a 1 on 1 block, the inside WR for a block on the safety dropping over for coverage? That could be a spot where Bencon can use his speed.

I've always believe offense is a numbers game. Call the change where you have the advantage. I'd have to look at more specific plays continuing, but this Is just a thought after analyzing the first play of the game.

They knew what was coming. They have 2 DL, 2 LBs, and a DB all near the LOS and shaded to that hole. At the very least we should run to the right where there are less bodies.

 

[Chip]

In watching game again I noticed also that our backs failed to see daylight where there was some on a few runs. Wrong cuts cost us on at least 3 or 4 runs by both guys. I guess when you lose backs 1 and 2 this is what you get.

I thought Adams struggled with this more often than I expected last year. But was somewhere that Jarveon was very good (and Mo). No surprise why they had the most long gainers on the ground.

One of the early drives, Jordan gets some space. If he just kept going north/south and ran hard, at least a 10 yard gain, maybe more. But he tried to make a cut left, he wasn't very quick laterally, the the DB just easily stood him up and stopped him for about a 6 yard gain. Then a false start, then a punt.

They can't try to do too much, because it will end up being too little.

 

[baggerbob]

View attachment 187874

Look at the formation for the first play above. Let's analyze what we see pre-snap.

1. Carlos has a NG directly over him.
2. Sev has a man shaded slightly to his right.
3. LB stacked behind the DE.
4. Middle LB stacked behind the NG.
5. Another outside LB showing blitz outside the RT.
6. A CB sneaking into the box, showing blitz as well.

We know the play call is run, either into the A or B gap, hard to tell because it was blown up so quickly.

Before talking about what options could have been, let's see what happened post snap.

1. Sevaris took inside control with an attempt to seal the man shaded over him. (that tells me the run was suppose to be inside.
2. Rhino pulls into the box where the Middle LB is, leaving the outside linebacker free reign into the backfield. (Sev tried to chip him but couldn't handle two men).
3. Carlos gets absolutely blown up and pushed 3 yards back.

Result in the play - loss of 3.

What would I have liked to see:

1. I can't remember what our TE, lined up shaded outside of Sev did, but I remember him not being much help. Can he be responsible for a block of the DE, and have Sev pull into the gap to take in anyone coming in for a run fit? It's a hard block for the TE, but doable.
2. Inexperience from Rhino caused him to run looking for someone and missing the blitzing backer. You'd like to see him adjust and take him on. If Carlos doesn't get blown up, the RB at least has a chance to make a read.
3. Honestly, I would have liked to see an audible. You're getting a look at a heavy box. You have 1 on 1 coverage to both outsides. Can someone get a release and go over the top? Can someone play a quick slant after reading where the safety is? I obviously don't know the play call or what options could have been, but there were passing options there.
4. Do we have the capability of adding a wrinkle where we see the inside CB coming in to show blitz, and hitting the Slot for a quick hitter before the safety comes. Can we bubble the TE out for a quick hitter, leaving the outside WR for a 1 on 1 block, the inside WR for a block on the safety dropping over for coverage? That could be a spot where Bencon can use his speed.

I've always believe offense is a numbers game. Call the change where you have the advantage. I'd have to look at more specific plays continuing, but this Is just a thought after analyzing the first play of the game.

You suggestions are why a guy like Jordan should be like Phillips in the slot. Give Tommy the option of a quick hitter over the middle to slow down the pressure.