A Great Read

[OrangePA]

Pfft. Your stance on talent and how much fans don't know makes every criticism baseless in your eyes.

Oh please, Otto!

You don't think I was referring to you, do you??

Perish the thought!

 

[kingottoiii]

First all teams get injuries. Wasn't Toledo missing like half their team against us? Wasn't Cincy without their star QB? Pitt without its star RB? Did Wake not lose its starting QB? Sure if we were totally healthy we could have won another game or two. But we could have also lost another game or two had our opponents been at full strength.

I think injuries definitely played a part in finishing 0-5 but let's not rewrite history here. The D was bad ALL season. Five of our first six games vs 1A opponents we allowed over 400 yards. FIVE of SIX. The only game we didn't was offensively inept RU. Tulane put up 471 yards and 34 points on us!!!! The last five games we allowed over 400 only once. We actually allowed over 50 total ypg less the last five vs the first six D1A games.

Rushing did go way up the last half vs the first half but that has to do with a lot of factors and not just injuries. We played from behind, in which your opponents will rush more than pass. We played teams that are more run first in the second half of the season. The first half saw some pass happy teams. Our first half numbers were greatly skewed by RU getting a whopping 5 yards rushing against us. Also we likely were more conscious of the pass since we were giving up 325 yards per game the first six.

The fact is the D was bad all year long. We were just as close to losing to Wake, RI, Toledo, and Tulane as we were to beating RU, UConn, and Pitt.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I'm sure the staff knew that but the kid writing the story probably didn't, so he wrote about it.

Agreed, I am sure what the staff is doing is spending more time on stuff of this nature

 

[OrangePA]

It was a good article. Just watching the defense, you could see something was very wrong. Mikhail looked like he had nothing to give, just as he said, like he was playing on a drained battery. Almost all the secondary had casts on, linebackers and linemen were trying to play with one arm, people were limping badly and struggling to get up play after play. Fife and drum all the way.

DM talks as little as possible about injuries so opponents don't know linebacker A has a separated right shoulder, or a strained MCL in his left knee, and should be attacked on that side. It is frustrating to us as fans when we don't know what is going on but I would rather be in that position than for DM to throw the injured guys under the bus and go public with all the injury problems.

I don't know what is more disturbing: all the injuries that happened or the fact they we opted to continue to play with badly hurt players instead of playing their backups. The depth last year was just not there...we had a good starting 11 and a couple of capable backups. Then walk-ons and true frosh we wanted to redshirt. Not much else. At least this season, we truly have some decent options if DEs, DTs, LBs, safeties or CBs go down with injury. We aren't where we need to be but we are in a far better position to weather an injury storm this season than last season.

Revealing that they chose the banged up guys over the back-ups.

 

[OrangePA]

First all teams get injuries. Wasn't Toledo missing like half their team against us? Wasn't Cincy without their star QB? Pitt without its star RB? Did Wake not lose its starting QB? Sure if we were totally healthy we could have won another game or two. But we could have also lost another game or two had our opponents been at full strength.

I think injuries definitely played a part in finishing 0-5 but let's not rewrite history here. The D was bad ALL season. Five of our first six games vs 1A opponents we allowed over 400 yards. FIVE of SIX. The only game we didn't was offensively inept RU. Tulane put up 471 yards and 34 points on us!!!! The last five games we allowed over 400 only once. We actually allowed over 50 total ypg less the last five vs the first six D1A games.

Rushing did go way up the last half vs the first half but that has to do with a lot of factors and not just injuries. We played from behind, in which your opponents will rush more than pass. We played teams that are more run first in the second half of the season. The first half saw some pass happy teams. Our first half numbers were greatly skewed by RU getting a whopping 5 yards rushing against us. Also we likely were more conscious of the pass since we were giving up 325 yards per game the first six.

The fact is the D was bad all year long. We were just as close to losing to Wake, RI, Toledo, and Tulane as we were to beating RU, UConn, and Pitt.

Ah, so it really was coaching, is that the point of the post?

Regarding Cincy, their backup QB was very solid - little drop off there.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

First all teams get injuries. Wasn't Toledo missing like half their team against us? Wasn't Cincy without their star QB? Pitt without its star RB? Did Wake not lose its starting QB? Sure if we were totally healthy we could have won another game or two. But we could have also lost another game or two had our opponents been at full strength.

I think injuries definitely played a part in finishing 0-5 but let's not rewrite history here. The D was bad ALL season. Five of our first six games vs 1A opponents we allowed over 400 yards. FIVE of SIX. The only game we didn't was offensively inept RU. Tulane put up 471 yards and 34 points on us!!!! The last five games we allowed over 400 only once. We actually allowed over 50 total ypg less the last five vs the first six D1A games.

Rushing did go way up the last half vs the first half but that has to do with a lot of factors and not just injuries. We played from behind, in which your opponents will rush more than pass. We played teams that are more run first in the second half of the season. The first half saw some pass happy teams. Our first half numbers were greatly skewed by RU getting a whopping 5 yards rushing against us. Also we likely were more conscious of the pass since we were giving up 325 yards per game the first six.

The fact is the D was bad all year long. We were just as close to losing to Wake, RI, Toledo, and Tulane as we were to beating RU, UConn, and Pitt.

You're right. The secondary couldn't make a big stop to save its life last season. The tackling was bad. The line backers were out of position.

But at the same time, it didn't help that the front four couldn't get a rush going. And that might be explained by no healthy bodies + little depth.

Chandler was hurt, Marinovich was hurt, Boatman was hurt, Bromley was hurt, Goggins was hurt, Crume was hurt, Robinson was hurt. Welsh didn't have the size for DT and Simmons wasn't ready. That leaves Sharpe (penalty waiting to happen) as the only healthy viable option at the end of last year.

 

[PhatOrange]

You mean to tell that the players actually like HCDM...say it ain't so:

There’s plenty of times where he would like to just come out and say, ‘This player or this player or this player,’” Marinovich said. “But he’s got integrity. He’s an honest guy, and I think he’s a hell of a coach.”
Marrone protected his players, opting not to stand at the podium and disclose injuries to the media when all five former players said it would have been easy to. They lauded him for it, calling him a true players’ coach.

And in a post standard picture today there is Marrone giving RAnderson a chest bump. Nah, he doesn't relate to the players at all.

 

[PhatOrange]

Revealing that they chose the banged up guys over the back-ups.

the backups were hurt to and their backups were walkons or redshirting. The only thing revealing about it is they are still trying to build a roster 1-85 and need more depth.

 

[rrlbees]

I'm sure the staff knew that but the kid writing the story probably didn't, so he wrote about it.

That's what I am thinking too.

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[TheOrangeBuddha]

Nice article but something doesn't make sense. They had to know that stronger neck muscles help with minimizing concussions. When my kid played pop warner they did neck exercises. One kid would push against another kids helmet from the front then each side then the back while the player pushed against the resistance. The trainer used to describe it to the kids as the neck muscles acting as shock absorbers for the head.

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It just seems like our strength and conditioning program is entirely reactionary instead of having any vision. Even if the SC staff knew of this, the fact that it is more emphasized (as explained by the writer) this year is the important part of the article.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Ah, so it really was coaching, is that the point of the post?

Regarding Cincy, their backup QB was very solid - little drop off there.

Come on, there backup QB was awful, they scored three points the week before against Rutgers and he wasnt much better the rest of the season after our game. Can you ever admit a failure on the coaching staff?

 

[Millhouse]

It just seems like our strength and conditioning program is entirely reactionary instead of having any vision. Even if the SC staff knew of this, the fact that it is more emphasized (as explained by the writer) this year is the important part of the article.

i don't know anything about other schools' head SC coaches. i wonder how many of them look like hicks and are as old as hicks

these guys don't.

http://www.scarletknights.com/football/coaches/staff-strength.asp

http://www.uoflsports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/moorer_pat00.html

i know it's superficial but it just doesn't make sense to me that a guy in charge of taking care of yourself doesn't take care of himself like he should

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Come on, there backup QB was awful, they scored three points the week before against Rutgers and he wasnt much better the rest of the season after our game. Can you ever admit a failure on the coaching staff?

I've seen how this one goes before. You'll be reminded that Munchie was a highly rated recruit.

But remember, stars don't matter.

And so it goes.

 

[Crusty]

If there is any truth to the story, it explains a lot. With just a couple of fewer injuries we might ahve one one more game and gone to a bowl.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Oh please, Otto!

You don't think I was referring to you, do you??

Perish the thought!

Nah, you provide your helpful reminders to me frequently because I'm fairly vocal, but I'm not all that special that people post specifically for my benefit. You're democratic about reminding everyone how little we all know and how out of place we are to assess the team in anything but positives.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I've seen how this one goes before. You'll be reminded that Munchie was a highly rated recruit.

But remember, stars don't matter.

And so it goes.

Its fine to be extra supportive of the coaching staff and sometimes they are unfairly blamed but jesus sometimes a spade is a spade. The BE isnt the SEC light its the worst BCS conference and were talking about a true freshman QB who looked horrible. There was a huge drop off from the starter to him.

 

[BlueCurtain]

Injuries happen to every team. Hate when it is perceived that we were snake-bitten far beyond what is reasonable in Div 1A. That is just short of saying the coaches get a free pass because of bad luck.

The bottom line is a lack of depth. That's on the coaches if this continues to be a problem going forward.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Injuries happen to every team. Hate when it is perceived that we were snake-bitten far beyond what is reasonable in Div 1A. That is just short of saying the coaches get a free pass because of bad luck.

The bottom line is a lack of depth. That's on the coaches if this continues to be a problem going forward.

It looks like the team is much better balanced this year than it's been in HCDM's first three years. Well, aside from the OLine.

 

[dollarbill44]

Come on, there backup QB was awful, they scored three points the week before against Rutgers and he wasnt much better the rest of the season after our game. Can you ever admit a failure on the coaching staff?

All the backup had to do was hand off to Pead. My mother could have stepped in at QB for Cincy and won that game.

 

[ImperialOrange]

That sheds a whole new light on last years losing streak. Maybe the locker room wasn't nearly as divisive as we thought it was.

It actually explains to me why there may have been divisions in the locker room. Seeing alot of guys not practice all week and then get named the starter is hard for other guys out there busting their hump all week. Add to that the players apperently didn't know why guys were getting out of practice and still playing it could very easily look like a case of playing favorites on the surface.

 

[kcsu]

Why the heck didnt he play guys who werent hurt. Marinovich was useless i dont get it

 

[IthacaBarrel]

sometimes, I think a story is what it is and there is no conspiracy theories. I think marrone put the guys out there that gave us the best chance to win

 

[Millhouse]

sometimes, I think a story is what it is and there is no conspiracy theories. I think marrone put the guys out there that gave us the best chance to win

it's part of the reason i'm pessimistic about this season. have a tough time believing we're going to have a good defense if our returning players were worse than the injured guys last year who went 1-6 in conference.

 

[GoSU96]

i don't know anything about other schools' head SC coaches. i wonder how many of them look like hicks and are as old as hicks

these guys don't.

http://www.scarletknights.com/football/coaches/staff-strength.asp

http://www.uoflsports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/moorer_pat00.html

i know it's superficial but it just doesn't make sense to me that a guy in charge of taking care of yourself doesn't take care of himself like he should

Luthor is there to add balance.

 

[GoSU96]

it's part of the reason i'm pessimistic about this season. have a tough time believing we're going to have a good defense if our returning players were worse than the injured guys last year who went 1-6 in conference.

Huh?

They all played, those returning players are many of the guys that were hurt.