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Ok, so now with Sidibe coming back with some expectation that he'll be healthy, a big question out there is whether the Sidibe we got at the end of 2020's season is the player to expect going forward.

So I nerded out on sports reference and wanted to see just what the numbers looked like comparing those 5 magical games he had with the rest of the season. The five game splits went like this:

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Rest of the season went like this (excuse the funky format, not sure why it got weird):

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A few things stand out. Going from an average of 23 minutes per game to 30 is a sizable jump, especially considering his personal fouls stayed roughly the same. He also accomplished a whole lot more in his minutes on the offensive end - FGAs going from 3.5 to 5.2 is a bigger increase than the minutes jump would suggest, but what's really interesting is the FTAs going from 1.5 to 4.2. That's a significant difference. His shooting percentages improved a little, but his averages there were already pretty good for a center. The rebounding took a massive jump, as well as the shotblocking and steals. Game score is a funky stat, but a rough way to think of it is 10 is an average game, below is a poor game, and over 10 is above average.

I'm really not sure what to make of this. Was he more involved in the gameplan on offense? Did the rebounding fuel other parts of his game? Did the lightbulb just turn on and burn really brightly? He still had a lot of fouls for as well as he played.

Coming off of an injury I'm still not sure what we're getting. I think he rebounds well. He'll be pretty efficient on offense because he'll stick to attempts at the rim. I don't think he's a particularly strong shot blocker. Good chance foul trouble remains an issue if he logs big minutes. I'm not sure he starts.
 
He had 10 rebounds in the game before your 5. So you probably could have used last 6 which is when he really elevated his play. What don’t you like about his blocked shots? Even in the last 5 you highlighted he averaged 3. For the season he was 7th in the ACC I believe. I also like to point out he was 2nd in the team and 15th in the ACC in steals. Pretty damn good for a center.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
Ok, so now with Sidibe coming back with some expectation that he'll be healthy, a big question out there is whether the Sidibe we got at the end of 2020's season is the player to expect going forward.

So I nerded out on sports reference and wanted to see just what the numbers looked like comparing those 5 magical games he had with the rest of the season. The five game splits went like this:

View attachment 199898

Rest of the season went like this (excuse the funky format, not sure why it got weird):

View attachment 199899
View attachment 199901

A few things stand out. Going from an average of 23 minutes per game to 30 is a sizable jump, especially considering his personal fouls stayed roughly the same. He also accomplished a whole lot more in his minutes on the offensive end - FGAs going from 3.5 to 5.2 is a bigger increase than the minutes jump would suggest, but what's really interesting is the FTAs going from 1.5 to 4.2. That's a significant difference. His shooting percentages improved a little, but his averages there were already pretty good for a center. The rebounding took a massive jump, as well as the shotblocking and steals. Game score is a funky stat, but a rough way to think of it is 10 is an average game, below is a poor game, and over 10 is above average.

I'm really not sure what to make of this. Was he more involved in the gameplan on offense? Did the rebounding fuel other parts of his game? Did the lightbulb just turn on and burn really brightly? He still had a lot of fouls for as well as he played.

Coming off of an injury I'm still not sure what we're getting. I think he rebounds well. He'll be pretty efficient on offense because he'll stick to attempts at the rim. I don't think he's a particularly strong shot blocker. Good chance foul trouble remains an issue if he logs big minutes. I'm not sure he starts.
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Going back to those games I recall a few things-

1- BS was running the floor and getting easy buckets beating his man down the court
2- The guy we saw as a freshman returned. He was making post moves quickly and finishing strong
3- He was doing exactly what we saw Jesse starting to do better which is locate get to the board first and grabbing it up high vs letting it come down where it's a free for all.
 
rrlbees said:
He had 10 rebounds in the game before your 5. So you probably could have used last 6 which is when he really elevated his play. What don’t you like about his blocked shots? Even in the last 5 you highlighted he averaged 3. For the season he was 7th in the ACC I believe. I also like to point out he was 2nd in the team and 15th in the ACC in steals. Pretty damn good for a center.
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Yeah I thought about going back 6 but the scoring turnaround hadn't happened yet, so I went with 5.

3 blocks per game is amazing. I just don't think Sidibe is that guy over a season. By the standards of some of the shot blockers we've had he's on the lower level.
 
Would have been nice to see him this year. Now he's missed an entire season to try to get up to speed. If we get around 6 and 6 w/ a few combined blocks/steals from him in 15-20 minutes, I will take it. I expect Jesse to provide around the same production. Both have foul troubles but it's not that big of an issue with both of them available (assuming they are available).
 
If he is healthy he is a force. If not i hope that Jim uses him strategically and doesnt play him over a healthy Jesse or Frank.
These three players give us the best combination at the 5 since i can remember. I really hope that Frank sticks with us as i believe the combination of the intense practice competition and ACC games makes him a pro in 2 years.
 
Gotothehole said:
Has he ever been healthy.? Let’s just move on and let the young guys develop. He should be moving on
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Not really. He has had some spurts but for the most part has been injured. JB says hes fine but i seriously doubt its more than Jim talk. Regardless its good for Sid as he has another year to advance his education and benefit from the other support he will receive from SU.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
Ok, so now with Sidibe coming back with some expectation that he'll be healthy, a big question out there is whether the Sidibe we got at the end of 2020's season is the player to expect going forward.

So I nerded out on sports reference and wanted to see just what the numbers looked like comparing those 5 magical games he had with the rest of the season. The five game splits went like this:

View attachment 199898

Rest of the season went like this (excuse the funky format, not sure why it got weird):

View attachment 199899
View attachment 199901

A few things stand out. Going from an average of 23 minutes per game to 30 is a sizable jump, especially considering his personal fouls stayed roughly the same. He also accomplished a whole lot more in his minutes on the offensive end - FGAs going from 3.5 to 5.2 is a bigger increase than the minutes jump would suggest, but what's really interesting is the FTAs going from 1.5 to 4.2. That's a significant difference. His shooting percentages improved a little, but his averages there were already pretty good for a center. The rebounding took a massive jump, as well as the shotblocking and steals. Game score is a funky stat, but a rough way to think of it is 10 is an average game, below is a poor game, and over 10 is above average.

I'm really not sure what to make of this. Was he more involved in the gameplan on offense? Did the rebounding fuel other parts of his game? Did the lightbulb just turn on and burn really brightly? He still had a lot of fouls for as well as he played.

Coming off of an injury I'm still not sure what we're getting. I think he rebounds well. He'll be pretty efficient on offense because he'll stick to attempts at the rim. I don't think he's a particularly strong shot blocker. Good chance foul trouble remains an issue if he logs big minutes. I'm not sure he starts.
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Please be advised that SWC has hacked your account.
 
Day2 said:
We’re not going to fill every roster spot this year anyway. Why would anyone want a capable center to move on?
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I think we end up with a full roster if Q comes back, 12 schollies if he doesn’t but not wanting Bourama back is crazy talk after watching the last couple of years lol

Give me all of the competent centers please
 
UpstateSM said:
I think we end up with a full roster if Q comes back, 12 schollies if he doesn’t but not wanting Bourama back is crazy talk after watching the last couple of years lol

Give me all of the competent centers please
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Jesse Edwards says hello​

 
The problem with having multiple centers is JB is going to play one of the forwards at center around 15mpg. That’s what he did when he had Chukwu, Sid and Marek. Someone is going to get the short end of the stick.
 
Gotothehole said:
Bees thats my point . 5 years taking up a roster spot
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i was responding to your question if he’s ever been healthy.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
Ok, so now with Sidibe coming back with some expectation that he'll be healthy, a big question out there is whether the Sidibe we got at the end of 2020's season is the player to expect going forward.

So I nerded out on sports reference and wanted to see just what the numbers looked like comparing those 5 magical games he had with the rest of the season. The five game splits went like this:

View attachment 199898

Rest of the season went like this (excuse the funky format, not sure why it got weird):

View attachment 199899
View attachment 199901

A few things stand out. Going from an average of 23 minutes per game to 30 is a sizable jump, especially considering his personal fouls stayed roughly the same. He also accomplished a whole lot more in his minutes on the offensive end - FGAs going from 3.5 to 5.2 is a bigger increase than the minutes jump would suggest, but what's really interesting is the FTAs going from 1.5 to 4.2. That's a significant difference. His shooting percentages improved a little, but his averages there were already pretty good for a center. The rebounding took a massive jump, as well as the shotblocking and steals. Game score is a funky stat, but a rough way to think of it is 10 is an average game, below is a poor game, and over 10 is above average.

I'm really not sure what to make of this. Was he more involved in the gameplan on offense? Did the rebounding fuel other parts of his game? Did the lightbulb just turn on and burn really brightly? He still had a lot of fouls for as well as he played.

Coming off of an injury I'm still not sure what we're getting. I think he rebounds well. He'll be pretty efficient on offense because he'll stick to attempts at the rim. I don't think he's a particularly strong shot blocker. Good chance foul trouble remains an issue if he logs big minutes. I'm not sure he starts.
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He averaged almost 3 more offensive rebounds a game during that good stretch. Bourama has never been much of a passer. I bet he took a quality shot inside 5 feet after getting most of those rebounds and got fouled on a bunch of them.

My memory is that we used the pick and roll with him more late, and he was more assertive finishing late. He has done very little traditional low post play scoring, where he gets good position down low, gets the ball and converts.

It was reported Bourama hit the weight room hard last summer and gained over 20 pounds from his junior season. It was reported he played really well in the preseason, where he was playing at a level good enough to possibly make an all conference team.

Given all that and the recent news the issue with him not playing this season was an infection that is now gone, and there is reason for hope he can play at or above the level he was at those last 5 games.

I thought people were underrating Quincy greatly going into the past season because they weren't taking into account that he played hurt (torn groin) the whole previous season.

I think there is reason to think Bourama is the guy that may do a lot better than a lot of people are thinking next season.

That said, I was impressed with what Jesse did last year late too. What if Bourama adds another 20 pounds of muscle this summer, and Jesse does the same?

Call me crazy but I think we are going to take a big step forward with the play of our centers next season.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
The problem with having multiple centers is JB is going to play one of the forwards at center around 15mpg. That’s what he did when he had Chukwu, Sid and Marek. Someone is going to get the short end of the stick.
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He really needs to stop doing that.
 
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