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[longtimefan]

I'll take that bet. HE is located in hockey hot beds. Much like syracuse Lax.

It's not like Hockey East is the only conference recruiting NE prep schools. As has been shown with the ECAC winning 2 of the last 3.

 

[Alsacs]

It's not like Hockey East is the only conference recruiting NE prep schools. As has been shown with the ECAC winning 2 of the last 3.

ECAC is fine conference. They will be continue putting multiple teams in the tournament and could win more NCs. However, HE is the better conference IMO. Nobody in ECAC is in the league of BC. BC hockey is akin to Duke hoops. They have the best coach and are contenders pretty much every year. The top conferences will likely be HE, ECAC, WHCA, and Big Ten.

 

[Chip]

Chip, how 'bout some coffee?

No thanks!

 

[longtimefan]

Speaking of college hockey, but on a bit of a tangent--

Now that it's been shown that the Carrier Dome can be configured for hockey, the City of Syracuse should bid for the Frozen Four.

 

[omniorange]

I'll take that bet. HE is located in hockey hot beds. Much like syracuse Lax.

You and others may be right. But I think you may be shortsighted here. How will COA affect the decisions made by these recruits? How will newer shinier facilities affect those decisions? How will major coaches leaving HE programs to go to the B1G impact recruiting?

Now, let's say the B1G demonstrates that hockey can be a $$$-maker all on it's own. What's to prevent them from attempting to lure BC and BU as federated hockey members enticing them with big $$$? Those two institutions by themselves account for about 50% of the HE Frozen Four appearances in this century and 5 of the 6 HE NCs. Or what's to prevent the ACC from starting a conference hockey league which will force BC and ND into it, probably require SU and Pitt to sponsor it, and then invite a couple of other northeastern hockey teams BU and perhaps UConn as federated members?

However, I will concede that if hockey skates along as it currently is, then HE has nothing to worry about. But then how much of the college athletics landscape today is simply business as usual from where it was in the last century, even the early part of the last decade?

Cheers,
Neil

 

[dasher]

You and others may be right. But I think you may be shortsighted here. How will COA affect the decisions made by these recruits? How will newer shinier facilities affect those decisions? How will major coaches leaving HE programs to go to the B1G impact recruiting?

Now, let's say the B1G demonstrates that hockey can be a $$$-maker all on it's own. What's to prevent them from attempting to lure BC and BU as federated hockey members enticing them with big $$$? Those two institutions by themselves account for about 50% of the HE Frozen Four appearances in this century and 5 of the 6 HE NCs. Or what's to prevent the ACC from starting a conference hockey league which will force BC and ND into it, probably require SU and Pitt to sponsor it, and then invite a couple of other northeastern hockey teams BU and perhaps UConn as federated members?

However, I will concede that if hockey skates along as it currently is, then HE has nothing to worry about. But then how much of the college athletics landscape today is simply business as usual from where it was in the last century, even the early part of the last decade?

Cheers,
Neil

The best players usually play at the best schools that are closer to their homes. How many kids like the kid that played for B.U. this year (he went second in the draft) are going to up and leave the Boston area to go play for ohio state? Do you think that a B1G expansion in Lax would hurt syracuse and the ACC? I don't.

 

[dasher]

It's not like Hockey East is the only conference recruiting NE prep schools. As has been shown with the ECAC winning 2 of the last 3.

HE gets the best players. As we have seen in hoops, that cuts both ways. The number of kids that leave school early from HE hurts the league. A school that can keep kids a cut below longer can do well in a NCAA tournament. If we drafted the schools from the HE and the ECAC, the top of the draft would be a heavy HE lean.

 

[omniorange]

The best players usually play at the best schools that are closer to their homes. How many kids like the kid that played for B.U. this year (he went second in the draft) are going to up and leave the Boston area to go play for ohio state? Do you think that a B1G expansion in Lax would hurt syracuse and the ACC? I don't.

And just keep ignoring all of the other stuff I wrote. Georgetown, Nova, and St. John's thought the best of their city kids would stay home when the Big East hit it big in the 80s. Did that continue into the 90s? No. The landscape change.

Personally, I could care less about hockey. So if it somehow manages to continue on like it has been, fine. It isn't at "a whistling past the graveyard" point now, like men's bb was in the 90s, but to deny the fact that it could ever happen to that sport is being short-sighted, imho.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[dasher]

And just keep ignoring all of the other stuff I wrote. Georgetown, Nova, and St. John's thought the best of their city kids would stay home when the Big East hit it big in the 80s. Did that continue into the 90s? No. The landscape change.

Personally, I could care less about hockey. So if it somehow manages to continue on like it has been, fine. It isn't at "a whistling past the graveyard" point now, like men's bb was in the 90s, but to deny the fact that it could ever happen to that sport is being short-sighted, imho.

Cheers,
Neil

There is a big difference. Everyplace has good basketball. There just isn't that much high school hockey in B1G hockey states. They can get kids from Canada and that would make them competitive. But I'm sorry, I don't see kids from mass. heading off to the B1G when they have B.c., B.U., Northeastern, Lowell right next door. I will ask again, do you think the B1G could come in to the Syracuse area and take our best Lax recruits? I don't.

 

[longtimefan]

There is a big difference. Everyplace has good basketball. There just isn't that much high school hockey in B1G hockey states. They can get kids from Canada and that would make them competitive. But I'm sorry, I don't see kids from mass. heading off to the B1G when they have B.c., B.U., Northeastern, Lowell right next door. I will ask again, do you think the B1G could come in to the Syracuse area and take our best Lax recruits? I don't.

Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan all are big in high school hockey. Plus, there is easy access to athletes from Ontario and the prairie provinces.

 

[Scooch]

College hockey is not a revenue generator. That's a fundamental difference from hoops.

 

[dasher]

Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan all are big in high school hockey. Plus, there is easy access to athletes from Ontario and the prairie provinces.

At one time, there was a game between the all star team and the all star team from Mass (high school) They had to stop the series because Mass destroyed them every year. No kidding.

 

[Btstimpy]

Baseball would be a waste of money IMO. The ACC already has 14 teams and if we are going to add a sport atleast hockey would make sense. We would likely try to get into the ECAC where we have local schools and our brand would fit nicely in with. If we needed to add women's sports swimming and diving would be the easiest IMO.
Women's swimming could add a total of 14 scholarships. Women's Diving could add up to 14 scholarships.
Men's hockey can give out a total of 18 scholarships.

So if SU wanted men's hockey they need to dish out atleast 18 scholarships and swimming/diving would make the most IMO.

The rest of the ACC that has swimming & diving would love to see Syracuse add women's swimming & diving. To add it though you'd want to do it right. That involves an olympic caliber aquatics center for the team to use and practice in. Within the ACC, after the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games, a first class aquatics center fell in the lap of Georgia Tech. It has a 50 meter pool with movable bulkhead to change lane length. It has 1 meter and 3 meter spring boards and 3,5,7.5, and 10 meter diving platforms. After Georgia Tech got that, the rest of the ACC one by one has been upgrading aquatics centers. FSU, UVA, VT, UNC, etc. have all done so. Clemson and Maryland chose not to and dropped swimming. The old way was 25 yard pools. Recruits want the better facilities these days. I hope Syracuse chooses to do that. We'd love to welcome another team.

As much as I'd like to see Syracuse join the ACC in baseball because ACC baseball is great, ice hockey probably makes more sense for the geographic region Syracuse is located in. Boston College is trying to do baseball in the north, but it's a struggle. They might actually be better off switching to men's lacrosse. Adding men's hockey at Syracuse would create the third men's hockey team at an ACC school. If the ACC ever considered UConn, they'd be the fourth. Then we could perhaps invite associate members from Hockey East or just arrange an alliance there for the ACC television channel if it gets going. Hockey would help it with more content.

 

[Moontan]

I was going to post that I'd like to see SU restore the swimming & diving program. The program was scrapped when the previous AD deemed that in order to compete that a facility was needed to compete but that there were no available funds to build one. An outrageous figure was quoted. Perhaps ACC money could be used to build a decent natatorium. I'd do that before adding other sports.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would ignite a hockey discussion when I made my original post.

Is America not a great country or what?!

 

[Full_Rebar]

Syracuse should restore wrestling and add w. gymnastics and w.golf. All 3 are ACC sports and if SU reverted Manley back to an arena, it could host wrestling, vball, gymnastics, and w, hoops.