ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[djorange1989]

The 4 most at risk ACC schools are absolutely Syracuse, Duke, Boston College, and Wake Forest.
B1G - UNC, UVA, GT, Miami
SEC - FSU, Clemson, NC State, VTech
Big 12 - Louisville, Pitt

Bull poop, SU would go to the Big 12 easily

 

[NYCCuse826]

This desperation isn't a good look. When you're caught with your pants down, this is what happens.

 

[Sherman20]

Fan bases and brands matter a lot as the media world moves from cable networks to streaming subscriptions. UVA has a large fan base that’ll subscribe for a multitude of sports, even if their football is a perennial underachiever.

Population growth matters for the schools themselves. Those Midwest-bases colleges are eager to increase their presence in NoVa and NC. More out of state kids = more tuition money.

The Streaming bubble is also bursting. A lot of this big money may be gone in a decade. Then what do these nonsensical conferences do?

 

[SU91]

Rice is a bigger TV market and you can make them a travel partner with SMU, reducing travel costs. It will also help get full ACCN fees in Texas. Plus it makes it easier to recruit Texas kids if you have two schools there.

Rice? The temptation is to say “no way”…BUT, I like it. Screw all this. Let’s just create an academically-oriented conference. Maybe rubbing elbows with the elite will bring back some of Cuse’s mojo. We’re never going to compete for championships anyway. The monetary gap is never going to be closed. There’s a very good chance SU is left in the dust with more realignment (I disagree with the overly optimistic posters here who think we’re some kind of prize). Let’s jettison Louisville while we’re at it. Seriously, SU being a part of a conference that represents academic integrity and student-athletes would actually be a breath of fresh air. I could get behind that program and we might actually have a chance to win too.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Rice? The temptation is to say “no way”…BUT, I like it. Screw all this. Let’s just create an academically-oriented conference. Maybe rubbing elbows with the elite will bring back some of Cuse’s mojo. We’re never going to compete for championships anyway. The monetary gap is never going to be closed. There’s a very good chance SU is left in the dust with more realignment (I disagree with the overly optimistic posters here who think we’re some kind of prize). Let’s jettison Louisville while we’re at it. Seriously, SU being a part of a conference that represents academic integrity and student-athletes would actually be a breath of fresh air. I could get behind that program and we might actually have a chance to win too.

I don't see the point in adding just SMU alone.

The ACC would have Stanford, Cal, SMU, Rice, Notre Dame BC, SU, Pitt, UVA, VA Tech, UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, Clemson, GA Tech, FSU, Miami. That is a pretty darn good list of schools.

Then you have Louisville. Academically it would be nice to kick them out for Tulane or Villanova or even UConn. But athletically you can't.


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Even better can we trade Louisville now for Vanderbilt?

 

[Chris02M]

Short term sure. I suppose that is what is motivating the ACC these days though as half the conference has their foot out the door.

acc is not going anywhere in the near future

 

[sutomcat]

ACC talking to SMU now

We make be seeing the very beginnings of the end game state of the ACC forming now.

It looks like the public schools may be leaving, and maybe they will be replaced by private schools, often with better academics.

If Clemson, FSU, GT, UNC, UVA, UL, NC State and VT leave, I think that clears out all the public school folks from the conference.

You are left with

Syracuse
Wake Forest
Boston College
Duke
Notre Dame* *=(abstaining for football as always)
Pittsburgh (I think it is private; I know it is a grey area type school)

And Miami. Now Miami is going to go somewhere else because that is what she always does. Not good with commitments.

But if you add Stanford and Cal (which is a public but one of if not the most selective publics out there) and SMU, you might be looking at most of the ACC circa 2036. Tulane might make sense at some point.

Who knows, maybe Vandy and Northwestern decide they want to compete with peer schools into of semi pro football factories and also eventually join. Maybe TCU sometime down the road as well.

The ACC will probably do what they always do here. I.e. nothing. But if they do add these schools, I think it is the presidents driving thingS and it might signal a whole new philosophy for the conference.

Maybe the semi pro wannabes in the ACC allow the ACC to add private school replacements now in exchange for a 50% reduction in their exit fees? Could the ACC schools work together on an exit strategy and a new beginning? I doubt it but one can dream.

 

[CousCuse]

Rice is a bigger TV market and you can make them a travel partner with SMU, reducing travel costs. It will also help get full ACCN fees in Texas. Plus it makes it easier to recruit Texas kids if you have two schools there.

Tulane football had a huge year last year and looks like they will stay on track. They beat USC in the Cotton bowl, was a great game.

 

[Scotch]

I don't see the point in adding just SMU alone.

The ACC would have Stanford, Cal, SMU, Rice, Notre Dame BC, SU, Pitt, UVA, VA Tech, UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, Clemson, GA Tech, FSU, Miami. That is a pretty darn good list of schools.

Then you have Louisville. Academically it would be nice to kick them out for Tulane or Villanova or even UConn. But athletically you can't.

SMU does absolutely nothing for me. We are not at that stage of desperation. That’s a big drop from from Stanford.

 

[Willy75]

We make be seeing the very beginnings of the end game state of the ACC forming now.

It looks like the public schools may be leaving, and maybe they will be replaced by private schools, often with better academics.

If Clemson, FSU, GT, UNC, UVA, UL, NC State and VT leave, I think that clears out all the public school folks from the conference.

You are left with

Syracuse
Wake Forest
Boston College
Duke
Notre Dame* *=(abstaining for football as always)
Pittsburgh (I think it is private; I know it is a grey area type school)

And Miami. Now Miami is going to go somewhere else because that is what she always does. Not good with commitments.

But if you add Stanford and Cal (which is a public but one of if not the most selective publics out there) and SMU, you might be looking at most of the ACC circa 2036. Tulane might make sense at some point.

Who knows, maybe Vandy and Northwestern decide they want to compete with peer schools into of semi pro football factories and also eventually join. Maybe TCU sometime down the road as well.

The ACC will probably do what they always do here. I.e. nothing. But if they do add these schools, I think it is the presidents driving thingS and it might signal a whole new philosophy for the conference.

Maybe the semi pro wannabes in the ACC allow the ACC to add private school replacements now in exchange for a 50% reduction in their exit fees? Could the ACC schools work together on an exit strategy and a new beginning? I doubt it but one can dream.

Pitt went public a while back. Army and Navy might be interested in this kind of group. Also Georgia Tech.
I like this as a fall back a lot better than the Big12

 

[NYCCuse826]

We make be seeing the very beginnings of the end game state of the ACC forming now.

It looks like the public schools may be leaving, and maybe they will be replaced by private schools, often with better academics.

If Clemson, FSU, GT, UNC, UVA, UL, NC State and VT leave, I think that clears out all the public school folks from the conference.

You are left with

Syracuse
Wake Forest
Boston College
Duke
Notre Dame* *=(abstaining for football as always)
Pittsburgh (I think it is private; I know it is a grey area type school)

And Miami. Now Miami is going to go somewhere else because that is what she always does. Not good with commitments.

But if you add Stanford and Cal (which is a public but one of if not the most selective publics out there) and SMU, you might be looking at most of the ACC circa 2036. Tulane might make sense at some point.

Who knows, maybe Vandy and Northwestern decide they want to compete with peer schools into of semi pro football factories and also eventually join. Maybe TCU sometime down the road as well.

The ACC will probably do what they always do here. I.e. nothing. But if they do add these schools, I think it is the presidents driving thingS and it might signal a whole new philosophy for the conference.

Maybe the semi pro wannabes in the ACC allow the ACC to add private school replacements now in exchange for a 50% reduction in their exit fees? Could the ACC schools work together on an exit strategy and a new beginning? I doubt it but one can dream.

You are no better than the American Athletic with this bunch. You've become their peer.

 

[SU91]

We make be seeing the very beginnings of the end game state of the ACC forming now.

It looks like the public schools may be leaving, and maybe they will be replaced by private schools, often with better academics.

If Clemson, FSU, GT, UNC, UVA, UL, NC State and VT leave, I think that clears out all the public school folks from the conference.

You are left with

Syracuse
Wake Forest
Boston College
Duke
Notre Dame* *=(abstaining for football as always)
Pittsburgh (I think it is private; I know it is a grey area type school)

And Miami. Now Miami is going to go somewhere else because that is what she always does. Not good with commitments.

But if you add Stanford and Cal (which is a public but one of if not the most selective publics out there) and SMU, you might be looking at most of the ACC circa 2036. Tulane might make sense at some point.

Who knows, maybe Vandy and Northwestern decide they want to compete with peer schools into of semi pro football factories and also eventually join. Maybe TCU sometime down the road as well.

The ACC will probably do what they always do here. I.e. nothing. But if they do add these schools, I think it is the presidents driving thingS and it might signal a whole new philosophy for the conference.

Maybe the semi pro wannabes in the ACC allow the ACC to add private school replacements now in exchange for a 50% reduction in their exit fees? Could the ACC schools work together on an exit strategy and a new beginning? I doubt it but one can dream.

I wonder if schools like UVA and UNC stay in the “academic conference” instead of chasing more money? I know that comment sounds naive at this very moment.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Newhouser]

Rice? The temptation is to say “no way”…BUT, I like it. Screw all this. Let’s just create an academically-oriented conference. Maybe rubbing elbows with the elite will bring back some of Cuse’s mojo. We’re never going to compete for championships anyway. The monetary gap is never going to be closed. There’s a very good chance SU is left in the dust with more realignment (I disagree with the overly optimistic posters here who think we’re some kind of prize). Let’s jettison Louisville while we’re at it. Seriously, SU being a part of a conference that represents academic integrity and student-athletes would actually be a breath of fresh air. I could get behind that program and we might actually have a chance to win too.

I'm a proud alum but lumping us under the academic oriented schools seems like our PR spin. Only in the world of college athletics does Rice, SMU, Stanford and Cal give two thoughts about us academically.

 

[Scotch]

Wow, don’t love the tone of this article.

 

[Sherman20]

To your point, the following article notes that the B1G offered Washington and Oregon loans up to $10MM/ year against future earnings to cover travel.

UW president: Big Ten move was necessary to deliver ‘stability for our players, for our coaches, for our teams’

Ana Mari Cauce, UW's president, says the Pac-12's proposed media-rights deal with Apple+ fell short of what the Huskies expected and 'was not going to secure' the conference. She and athletic director Jen Cohen also addressed the Apple Cup question.

www.seattletimes.com

Though, I assume their travel costs were already significant flying up and down the Pacific coast.

I still don’t understand how the ACC didn’t make a power move for the best PAC 12 schools months ago or a year ago before the Big 12 and Big 10 swooped in. Foolishness. Ive said it over and over again: This is now about stabilizing things and outflanking the Big 12 as the third best/highest revenue conference, in case there are defections down the road.

 

[Chris02M]

I still don’t understand how the ACC didn’t make a power move for the best PAC 12 schools months ago before the Big 12 land Big 10 swooped in. Foolishness. Ive said it over and over again: This is now about stabilizing things and outflanking the Big 12 as the third best/highest revenue conference, in case there are defections down the road.

because the teams available didnt move the bottom line significantly and it takes 2 to tengo

 

[Stevenson]

Why do people want west coast teams in the ACC? How do they add net monetary value? Why are the academics even in the conversation?

I’m not getting the push to do something. Sounds like the old Big East logic.

 

[Bayside44]

I thought UVA and VT were attached at the hip? What will the Virginia POLS do if VT is being snubbed?

Those days are over

 

[sutomcat]

You are no better than the American Athletic with this bunch. You've become their peer.

Disagree. You have 2 of your oldest rivals in with you (assuming now that Pitt would also be in) You have great academic institutions that will do things the right way. There won’t be scandals with recruits and strippers.

Maybe it isn’t perfect but I like playing in a league with peer institutions at great locations that everyone respects. This league would get good, not great TV revenue and would be very good at Olympic sports.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some public schools that get left out of the Big 2 also end up joining. Maybe UNC and UVA decide they want to do college sports the right way, and make their athletes go to class and graduate.

And who knows, maybe even UConn finally finds a home here.

 

[Toga]

Their potential fanbase size is large. But how do they capture that potential? They haven't been relevant in FB or BBall since basically the 50s.


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To expand on that...

Cal hasn't been to the Rose Bowl since 1958. Since then they do have 2 Co Champs where they lost the tie breaker. They have been ranked in the Top 24 only 4x and ranked 25th another 3x since that 1958 season.

Since making the BBall NCG in 1960 they have one PAC regular season championship and have made the Sweet 16 only 2x. They do have an NIT title during that time.

 

[Sherman20]

We make be seeing the very beginnings of the end game state of the ACC forming now.

It looks like the public schools may be leaving, and maybe they will be replaced by private schools, often with better academics.

If Clemson, FSU, GT, UNC, UVA, UL, NC State and VT leave, I think that clears out all the public school folks from the conference.

You are left with

Syracuse
Wake Forest
Boston College
Duke
Notre Dame* *=(abstaining for football as always)
Pittsburgh (I think it is private; I know it is a grey area type school)

And Miami. Now Miami is going to go somewhere else because that is what she always does. Not good with commitments.

But if you add Stanford and Cal (which is a public but one of if not the most selective publics out there) and SMU, you might be looking at most of the ACC circa 2036. Tulane might make sense at some point.

Who knows, maybe Vandy and Northwestern decide they want to compete with peer schools into of semi pro football factories and also eventually join. Maybe TCU sometime down the road as well.

The ACC will probably do what they always do here. I.e. nothing. But if they do add these schools, I think it is the presidents driving thingS and it might signal a whole new philosophy for the conference.

Maybe the semi pro wannabes in the ACC allow the ACC to add private school replacements now in exchange for a 50% reduction in their exit fees? Could the ACC schools work together on an exit strategy and a new beginning? I doubt it but one can dream.

Where are all those public schools gonna go? Only a few of them have value to the SEC and Big 10—Florida State, UNC, maybe Clemson and Miami. Neither of those conferences want NC State and Virginia Tech and certainly not Louisville and Pitt.

 

[kcsu]

Disagree. You have 2 of your oldest rivals in with you (assuming now that Pitt would also be in) You have great academic institutions that will do things the right way. There won’t be scandals with recruits and strippers.

Maybe it isn’t perfect but I like playing in a league with peer institutions at great locations that everyone respects. This league would get good, not great TV revenue and would be very good at Olympic sports.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some public schools that get left out of the Big 2 also end up joining. Maybe UNC and UVA decide they want to do college sports the right way, and make their athletes go to class and graduate.

And who knows, maybe even UConn finally finds a home here.

I like it as well and have been a proponent of SMU as they are an excellent school in a huge market.
Question, Would San Diego state be considered? Or is Rice the play.
Also as to ACC not making a play. They did. Unfortunately the key decision maker, ESPN was in a weak position and we lost out.

 

[djorange1989]

because the teams available didnt move the bottom line significantly and it takes 2 to tengo

Yep, I am not defending the reactive ACC but no way the 4 schools that went to the Big 12 would have chosen the ACC over the B12. And forget about Oregon and Washington, they would have been a pipe dream. None of those teams want to go to a conference with 6-7 whiny and unhappy teams and a contract that keeps revenues stagnant until 2036

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Is this bad for FSU?

It sounds bad.