ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[TexanMark]

Has Bill Walton been seen since the PAC-12 was drawn and quartered? Hope the big guy's OK.

I hate it...killing all that tradition

Larry Scott ran them off a cliff

 

[TexanMark]

It's certainly a kick the can down the road scenario for sure but for the moment changes the landscape and should restart the clock for a couple years unless FSU and Clemson want to send a 1.6 B stimulus to the conference.

I think the ACC wants to get to 2030 or so and be able to backfill. I figure 2-4 teams are gone by 2032.

 

[Acesn8s]

I hate it...killing all that tradition

Larry Scott ran them off a cliff

I wont lie, cant wait to read your tailgating guide for Palo Alto and Berkeley lol

 

[Orangezoo]

I think the ACC wants to get to 2030 or so and be able to backfill. I figure 2-4 teams are gone by 2032.

The way things have gone that seems like an eternity but even 2028 being when things heat back up ain't bad.

 

[Hoo's That]

I wont lie, cant wait to read your tailgating guide for Palo Alto and Berkeley lol

The Farm is a really. really nice place. What made me giggle a little bit when I visited was seeing Hewlett Hall right next to Packard Hall.

 

[BKCuse]

It needs to be stipulated that to get into the ACC they need to ditch the damn tree.

No way. The tree is awesome,

 

[BKCuse]

I guess I hope we add Stanford & Cal but it makes me sick to know they killed the PAC-12. I lived in LA for 6 years and the PAC-12 was awesome.
SMU is such a weird addition. I get it’s about the Dallas / TX market but it’s so dumb for SMU to play in the ACC.

 

[Orangefan1]

If the teams that don’t want expansion can be compensated to stay how much money would it take?
Looks like SMU donors have a ton of money to throw around. I’m just saying that perhaps they name their price and increase the longevity of the GOR five more years. It makes sense to me to ask them this question

 

[sutomcat]

No way. The tree is awesome,

The two best mascot in college sports are Otto and The Tree. When/if Calford joins the ACC, the presser needs to feature a photo op of them meeting and hugging.

 

[SURules]

The two best mascot in college sports are Otto and The Tree. When/if Calford joins the ACC, the presser needs to feature a photo op of them meeting and hugging.

That would be an awesome photo shoot and imagine

 

[CousCuse]

The two best mascot in college sports are Otto and The Tree. When/if Calford joins the ACC, the presser needs to feature a photo op of them meeting and hugging.

Tree hugging Otto, OMG.!

 

[Chris02M]

I guess I hope we add Stanford & Cal but it makes me sick to know they killed the PAC-12. I lived in LA for 6 years and the PAC-12 was awesome.
SMU is such a weird addition. I get it’s about the Dallas / TX market but it’s so dumb for SMU to play in the ACC.

not anymore dumb than ucla and usc to play in the Bigten

 

[Franz69]

If the teams that don’t want expansion can be compensated to stay how much money would it take?
Looks like SMU donors have a ton of money to throw around. I’m just saying that perhaps they name their price and increase the longevity of the GOR five more years. It makes sense to me to ask them this question

I didn't have "SMU Saves The ACC" on my bingo card.

 

[All4SU]

Most fans want to stay in the ACC. The fear, that I share, is that with the yearly increase in the financial divide it will make it harder to compete. What I mean by that is perception. There is already constant talk about the Power 2 so how long will it be before elite recruits only want to play in those two conferences. Once that happens, it will be extremely difficult to keep up and win at a consistent high level.

At some point, you have to bloom where you are planted. Want the ACC to prosper? Work to get more ACC teams up to par. Clemson wasn’t always good. FSU looks to be getting sone of their previous mojo back - time will tell. Miami had great years. GTech, Pitt, VT, UNC all have potential to be impactful on the national scene. And yes, even Syracuse - who seems to go in 15-20 year cycles could be a player again. But in this age of instant gratification, jumping at the next bag of cash is short-sighted and counter productive. It’s up to the ACC teams to raise the performance of the ACC - and it’s not all about money.

 

[Scooch]

Most fans want to stay in the ACC. The fear, that I share, is that with the yearly increase in the financial divide it will make it harder to compete. What I mean by that is perception. There is already constant talk about the Power 2 so how long will it be before elite recruits only want to play in those two conferences. Once that happens, it will be extremely difficult to keep up and win at a consistent high level.

Yeah, there’s no way to run a competitive football program when a school is only making $40-50 million a year in media rights. And has a bottomless pit of booster money.

Do people even hear themselves?

Who gives a crap if Indiana and Ole Miss make more media money? There’s like 8 programs in those 2 conferences that Clemson competes with for national HS recruits and big name transfers. They can’t hoard all of them.

We are so through the looking glass with this nonsense.

 

[CuseCactus]

Yeah, there’s no way to run a competitive football program when a school is only making $40-50 million a year in media rights. And has a bottomless pit of booster money.

Do people even hear themselves?

Who gives a crap if Indiana and Ole Miss make more media money? There’s like 8 programs in those 2 conferences that Clemson competes with for national HS recruits and big name transfers. They can’t hoard all of them.

We are so through the looking glass with this nonsense.

I think long after I’m gone, there will be quite a 30 for 30 on all this.

Where does it end?

Programs buying private jets for players - so that they can fly mom and dad to Dubai for the weekend?

Perhaps in addition to the indoor playing field, lazy river and players lounge - colleges will build a space station for players? So that they can rehab in zero gravity?

 

[Hoo's That]

I didn't have "SMU Saves The ACC" on my bingo card.

Few, if any, did.

 

[Orangezoo]

Yeah, there’s no way to run a competitive football program when a school is only making $40-50 million a year in media rights. And has a bottomless pit of booster money.

Do people even hear themselves?

Who gives a crap if Indiana and Ole Miss make more media money? There’s like 8 programs in those 2 conferences that Clemson competes with for national HS recruits and big name transfers. They can’t hoard all of them.

We are so through the looking glass with this nonsense.

This is a couple years old and includes most of the big guys but it's also a good example of the perceptions that come about you noted. You can spend a lot of money and not see the results as compared to your peers.

Top 25 highest spending college football programs in the nation

Sportico compiled the data for every college athletics department to compare spending at each one, from Ohio State all the way down to ULM.

www.on3.com

 

[Bayside44]

Yeah, there’s no way to run a competitive football program when a school is only making $40-50 million a year in media rights. And has a bottomless pit of booster money.

Do people even hear themselves?

Who gives a crap if Indiana and Ole Miss make more media money? There’s like 8 programs in those 2 conferences that Clemson competes with for national HS recruits and big name transfers. They can’t hoard all of them.

We are so through the looking glass with this nonsense.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Madbiker]

I didn't have "SMU Saves The ACC" on my bingo card.

Can anyone explain why the ACC finds SMU the least bit attractive? A small private school that delivers no eyeballs. I don't get it.

 

[Orangezoo]

https://www.si.com/college/tmg/mark-blaudschun/aac-expansion-west

AAC vs MWC heating up

 

[pokercuse08]

The ACC "owns" the GoR Anyone who leaves the ACC before the GoR expires in 2036 owes the ACC a huge check as an exit fee, PLUS the departing team must sign over all their TV money from the new conference to the ACC. so any team leaving before the expiration better have some really deep pockets lined up to pay the exit fee and fund the program by replacing the lost TV money.

What's ESPN's interest in this, though? I mean, hypothetically let's say the ACC were to add UT Permian Basin and St. Anselm, and lose FSU and Clemson. Surely, ESPN would be entitled to something based on the drop in quality TV inventory?

I thought it was the exit fee went to the ACC to be split up by schools, and the TV rights were still held by the ACC and thus, through the end of the contract, ESPN. So all of FSU's home games, including SEC/B1G conference games, would be on ESPN. Then the media money they got in the new conference, if any, would go to the ACC to split up. But given that their media rights wouldn't be theirs, the new conference probably wouldn't give them money until the media rights were available.

 

[pokercuse08]

How? Nobody has figured out how to break the GOR and exit fees. The remaining schools have no incentive to allow either team leave early. What is the magic method that teams and teams of legal eagles cannot figure out but internet wannabe contract and entertainment attorneys have solved?

Wasn't there some discussion on here about the conference possibly being dissolved with a simple majority vote, and that dissolving the GOR?

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Stanford, Cal, and SMU come in without voting rights for a period of several years. That would POSSIBLY (because we don't know if it can actually be dissolved this way) mean that you only needed eight votes to dissolve the conference. It's fairly easy to count to eight teams the B1G and SEC would take. Four they definitely want, you can very reasonably get them to six to eight, so they may only have to take like two extra teams they may or may not actually want in order to get the ACC to dissolve itself.

But that's all a big IF, because we don't know if that's actually how dissolving the conference works - and it may come down to a court case (or two or three). You'd also have to have FOX and ESPN negotiate over some of the media rights to make it a clean break. FOX would probably have to pay ESPN for the rights of the schools that go to the B1G.

But it's all at least feasible, and if there's enough extra money for FOX and ESPN to make over the next ~decade by doing it now, they'll try to find a way.

 

[Hoo's That]

What's ESPN's interest in this, though? I mean, hypothetically let's say the ACC were to add UT Permian Basin and St. Anselm, and lose FSU and Clemson. Surely, ESPN would be entitled to something based on the drop in quality TV inventory?

I thought it was the exit fee went to the ACC to be split up by schools, and the TV rights were still held by the ACC and thus, through the end of the contract, ESPN. So all of FSU's home games, including SEC/B1G conference games, would be on ESPN. Then the media money they got in the new conference, if any, would go to the ACC to split up. But given that their media rights wouldn't be theirs, the new conference probably wouldn't give them money until the media rights were available.

Para 1 - I think they could demand a "look-in" and cut the contract payout.

Para 2 - Exactamente. I was incorrect about the payout from their new conference, the ACC and ESPN would hold the rights to broadcast any departee's home games. It wouldn't really affect a departure to the SEC since ESPN holds their rights, but it would be a big hurt to the B1G since their contract is with Fox.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Wasn't there some discussion on here about the conference possibly being dissolved with a simple majority vote, and that dissolving the GOR?

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Stanford, Cal, and SMU come in without voting rights for a period of several years. That would POSSIBLY (because we don't know if it can actually be dissolved this way) mean that you only needed eight votes to dissolve the conference. It's fairly easy to count to eight teams the B1G and SEC would take. Four they definitely want, you can very reasonably get them to six to eight, so they may only have to take like two extra teams they may or may not actually want in order to get the ACC to dissolve itself.

But that's all a big IF, because we don't know if that's actually how dissolving the conference works - and it may come down to a court case (or two or three). You'd also have to have FOX and ESPN negotiate over some of the media rights to make it a clean break. FOX would probably have to pay ESPN for the rights of the schools that go to the B1G.

But it's all at least feasible, and if there's enough extra money for FOX and ESPN to make over the next ~decade by doing it now, they'll try to find a way.

No you cannot dissolve with 8.

There aren’t 8 schools that want to leave right now. At best you have FSU, Clemson, Miami. The rest of the schools rather be in the ACC until it is no longer feasible.