ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[HtownOrange]

Not even lacrosse requires a school in New England. Major college football has 0 need of any school in New England. Basketball is a different matter.

Boston U.
Brown
Bryant
Holy Cross
Dartmouth
Fairfield
Harvard
Merrimack
Providence
Sacred Heart
UMass-Amhurst
UMass-Lowell
Vermont
and Yale respectfully disagree. DII and DIII offer many more.

 

[WoadBlue]

Depending on who and how many go to the P2, I really hope both conferences decide to go Medium 2 vs merging into a 0.5 conference. If the money is not significantly different (meaning less but not "you cannot turn this down" less) is it not better being in a smaller, regional conference?

Costs wise it would be. IMO it would be competitively as well. Teams get lost or stuck in a rut with these mega conferences. I think the Big East and then the UConn AAC/Big East decision are good examples of why it is better to stay small and semi regional.

When the Big East was 16 teams, if you were in the middle or worse you had to climb over a lot of teams to reach the top of the conference as a program. For the teams at the top, it also made it harder to stay at the top.

When the Big East went down to 10 teams you had Nova winning titles, Providence and Seton Hall make multiple NCAATs, Marquette being a Top 15 mainstay, and then the reemergence of UConn. Maybe Nova and UConn still eventually happen in a mega conference, but no way PC or Seton Hall rise. Or even Creighton.

UConn looked at the AAC and said why are we playing schools that are far away from us, and our fanbase generally does not care about? If the money isn't significant, I rather SU take a similar approach if/when we get left behind.

UConn made its decision to leave the AAC and return to the BE, which had no football just as Dave Gavitt designed it, because it knew that being the school it was and located where it is, it simply could never become anything like a decent TV drawing CFB program, which means it would languish even in AAC football. So then, even though CFB money is much bigger, it made sense for UConn to get back to its basketball roots. I said at the time and still think that UConn would be best served doing that by dropping back to 1AA/FCS football. With its basketball name branding, 1AA UConn football could become the primary power for that division in the entire northeast. If BC were to make that same move then BC-UConn would become for 1AA football in the northeast what the games among the Dakota and Montana schools are for the mountain west of 1AA football: the BIG games that determine playoff seedings.

If the ACC fails to act so that it saves itself at full football strength (which requires those fan bases), then the ACC will get gutted. After the SEC and BT take a Toal of 6-8, what is left will be worth much less than Big 12 football. So that means anybody left that relay wants too play something that can still talk of being Major CFB will take a Big 12 offer. Pitt would be selling itself as WVU's BackYard Brawl rival. BC would not have a prayer of getting a Big 12 invite, and neither would Wake.

 

[WoadBlue]

Boston U.
Brown
Bryant
Holy Cross
Dartmouth
Fairfield
Harvard
Merrimack
Providence
Sacred Heart
UMass-Amhurst
UMass-Lowell
Vermont
and Yale respectfully disagree. DII and DIII offer many more.

I assume you mean that because these schools play D1 lacrosse, that proves that top level lacrosse requires teams in New England.

How many of those teams have won the national championship and when? How many have made it to that final weekend and when? If all of them were demoted to D2 lacrosse right now, how would that harm D1 lacrosse?

 

[WoadBlue]

You point is immaterial, you offer anecdotal information from six decades ago as opposed to documentation of much more relevant recent historical information. I ask that you provide substantive proof to support your comments. You provided plenty of opinion, zero support. You may be correct, but demanding others to agree to your opinion without support is unreasonable.

Recent TV broadcasting of CFB is not the same subject. What has come to pass is because of the rebellion against the original 1 TV deal for all of D1A football, which horribly discriminated for the BT, its Rose Bowl partner the Pac, and ND, and thus discriminated against everybody else.

I don't demand that anybody accept anything I say. You either do or you do not.

And again I assert that when the dust finally settles on all this, there will be no more than 3 truly MAJOR conferences left standing. The BT and SEC are certain. Both ACC and Big 12 could be that 3rd, but each must take from the other to achieve that status. I am also certain that nether BC nor Wake has a small snowball's chance in Hell of being among those final Major conferences, whether the group is 2 or 3.

 

[Toga]

Oy vey

 

[Cusefan69]

Oy vey

Yeah this thread has kinda jumped the shark at this point. I will check back in 2029 barring some unexpected massive change in the news on this topic.

 

[AcAndAc]

Recent TV broadcasting of CFB is not the same subject. What has come to pass is because of the rebellion against the original 1 TV deal for all of D1A football, which horribly discriminated for the BT, its Rose Bowl partner the Pac, and ND, and thus discriminated against everybody else.

I don't demand that anybody accept anything I say. You either do or you do not.

And again I assert that when the dust finally settles on all this, there will be no more than 3 truly MAJOR conferences left standing. The BT and SEC are certain. Both ACC and Big 12 could be that 3rd, but each must take from the other to achieve that status. I am also certain that nether BC nor Wake has a small snowball's chance in Hell of being among those final Major conferences, whether the group is 2 or 3.

The one exception is if the BT and SEC actually shrink to get to the next level. Why should Ohio State get the same share of the pie as Purdue... Texas and Mississippi State... and so on. At some point, those schools might have fiduciary duty to start maximizing their own shares and, remember, Texas tried for unequal revenue sharing before. So we could see the top 20 of the BT and SEC break off... and leave a much bigger group to form the third "major" conference, which itself might involve 50 or so teams in divisions. These two entities could stay tied together... Tier 1 gets 10 playoff spots, Tier 2 gets 5, Tier 3 (Current G5) gets 1. Or each Tier gets its own champion.

But, by enlarging the have nots, the unfairness is actually somewhat mitigated. Now BC and Wake Forest are in the same position as Mississippi State and Purdue, where they belong. And maybe that makes sense anyway. Some schools just have an inherent advantage and it is impossible to remedy it in a meaningful way. No matter what the system, dynasties arise and it is often financial. Even with a hard salary cap, major markets offer advantages (media deals, etc.).

 

[HtownOrange]

I assume you mean that because these schools play D1 lacrosse, that proves that top level lacrosse requires teams in New England.

How many of those teams have won the national championship and when? How many have made it to that final weekend and when? If all of them were demoted to D2 lacrosse right now, how would that harm D1 lacrosse?

Take a look for yourself:

DI Men's Lacrosse Championship History | NCAA.com

The complete list of NCAA Men's Lacrosse DI champions from the first season to today.

www.ncaa.com

NCAA Division I men's lacrosse tournament - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hint: Yale won it all in 2018, lost the championship game in 2019. Harvard is currently ranked #12, Boston U #20. https://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls/2025

 

[HRE Otto IV]

UConn made its decision to leave the AAC and return to the BE, which had no football just as Dave Gavitt designed it, because it knew that being the school it was and located where it is, it simply could never become anything like a decent TV drawing CFB program, which means it would languish even in AAC football. So then, even though CFB money is much bigger, it made sense for UConn to get back to its basketball roots. I said at the time and still think that UConn would be best served doing that by dropping back to 1AA/FCS football. With its basketball name branding, 1AA UConn football could become the primary power for that division in the entire northeast. If BC were to make that same move then BC-UConn would become for 1AA football in the northeast what the games among the Dakota and Montana schools are for the mountain west of 1AA football: the BIG games that determine playoff seedings.

If the ACC fails to act so that it saves itself at full football strength (which requires those fan bases), then the ACC will get gutted. After the SEC and BT take a Toal of 6-8, what is left will be worth much less than Big 12 football. So that means anybody left that relay wants too play something that can still talk of being Major CFB will take a Big 12 offer. Pitt would be selling itself as WVU's BackYard Brawl rival. BC would not have a prayer of getting a Big 12 invite, and neither would Wake.

Stop pretending that those not in the B1G or SEC are playing major CFB. It is over Johnny. At that point schools should do what is best and go back to being regional. Instead of pretending to be major like the AAC pretended to be a P6 as they called it.

 

[orange79]

Someone certainly likes to pontificate...




I was going to use bloviate, but that sounds so...dirty.

 

[Hoo's That]

{snip}
Vermont
and Yale respectfully disagree. DII and DIII offer many more.

NESCAC - Amherst (MA), Bates (ME), Bowdoin (ME), Colby (ME), Connecticut College (CT), Hamilton (NY), Middlebury (VT), Trinity (CT), Tufts (MA; 4 time NCAA D-3 champion), Wesleyan (CT), and Williams (MA)

 

[HtownOrange]

Someone certainly likes to pontificate...




I was going to use bloviate, but that sounds so...dirty.

Are you reluctant to orate as you declare your lecture while you speak your spiel, spouting your rants and railings ... or just avoiding blowing hot air?

 

[cuse62]

I’m not sure why I still read this; but I do. It kind of feels like ground hogs’s day.

 

[TexanMark]

Yeah this thread has kinda jumped the shark at this point. I will check back in 2029 barring some unexpected massive change in the news on this topic.

Come over to our realignment board where we jump the shark daily.

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[oldpinepoint]

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I follow the Dude of WV, that’s all the info I need as he is rock solid

 

[TexanMark]

I follow the Dude of WV, that’s all the info I need as he is rock solid

He used to post there. We half a dozen "Dudes" over there for your reading enjoyment.

Here is one

Take this with a grain of salt

https://x.com/TheMontyShow/status/1894119732288393668?t=kPPBn44x0865jk--BEBsaQ&s=19

 

[orange79]

I follow the Dude of WV, that’s all the info I need as he is rock solid

Frank the Tank for me.

 

[HtownOrange]

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[Hoo's That]

I follow the Dude of WV, that’s all the info I need as he is rock solid

Frank the Tank for me.

MVher says, "What am I, chopped liver?"

 

[Toga]

https://x.com/On3sports/status/1895503271235608834

 

[sutomcat]

https://x.com/On3sports/status/1895503271235608834

Possible replacement for Learfield down the road?

Their current ACC partners appear to be Virginia and Virginia Tech.

Not sure when the agreement between SU and Learfield expires.

 

[HtownOrange]

Closing in on 72 hours without a post in this thread so I decided to go real controversial:

If states no longer matter in this new age of internet streaming, markets no longer matter, and brands are end-all-be-all, what does the B1G do with Rutgers? Rutgers does not have influence in in NYC so they cannot "Bring" the Big Apple market and nor does Rutgers carry the state of NJ, further Rutgers" Athletics Department sucks so bad Congress looks like budget geniuses. Rutgers has no brand, unless you consider their entire history as a tomato soup can. What happens to to Rutgers? Do they get a permanent pass on the coattails of real ADs within the B1G or does the B1G cut their losses and look elsewhere?

If you are really brave and think Rutgers gets the Temple Treatment which team replaces Rutgers?

 

[Hoo's That]

Closing in on 72 hours without a post in this thread so I decided to go real controversial:

If states no longer matter in this new age of internet streaming, markets no longer matter, and brands are end-all-be-all, what does the B1G do with Rutgers? Rutgers does not have influence in in NYC so they cannot "Bring" the Big Apple market and nor does Rutgers carry the state of NJ, further Rutgers" Athletics Department sucks so bad Congress looks like budget geniuses. Rutgers has no brand, unless you consider their entire history as a tomato soup can. What happens to to Rutgers? Do they get a permanent pass on the coattails of real ADs within the B1G or does the B1G cut their losses and look elsewhere?

If you are really brave and think Rutgers gets the Temple Treatment which team replaces Rutgers?

IDK if any conference has enough votes to oust any team. Vandy would be in the same boat as Rutgahs. What I've always believed is that when the endgame approaches, the conferences will just keep adding onerous requirements until schools want out. The Big Boys will be more than happy to be rid of them and will let them out of any GORs that are in effect.

In addition to "securing the NY market for the B1G," the storyline for admitting Rutgahs was to keep Ped State happy by adding 2 opponents that they played frequently in the past (along with Murlin). They may have decided they don't need them anymore since the both of them do go off the schedule at times because Ped State doesn't have any protected rivalries in the B1G.

 

[suorange08]

Sources: FSU, Clemson, ACC expected to settle

FSU and Clemson will vote Tuesday on an agreement that would ultimately result in the settlement of lawsuits between the schools and the ACC, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

Bye bye ACC in 5 years

 

[Scooch]

Sources: FSU, Clemson, ACC expected to settle

FSU and Clemson will vote Tuesday on an agreement that would ultimately result in the settlement of lawsuits between the schools and the ACC, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

Bye bye ACC in 5 years

"While the settlement will not make substantive changes to the grant of rights, it is expected that there will be declining financial penalties for schools who exit prior to 2036 with the steepest decreases coming after 2030 -- something that would apply to any ACC school, not just Clemson and Florida State."

Well, now we know when we can expect UNC and UVA to be joining the B1G. Sometime between 2031 and 2036.

The questions will be (a) how many exit for the B1G and SEC, and (b) will what remains be viable?